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[metaphor]

Couple of other similar post-mortem interviews here and here. 

 

After reading all of those interviews, I must admit that I don't understand why the fake break-up couldn't have been the storyline they went with from the beginning. I feel like most of the same dramatic and comedic beats could have been hit without the frustration and confusion regarding the characters' actions that this first third of the season has brought about. For all the writers have said in the past, I don't feel after watching 8x08 that this has all been worth it or that I have learned new things about the characters that have made me believe in them or their relationship even more. But onward and upward, I guess. 

Edited November 24, 2015 by metaphor

[verdana]

 

Definitely no babies in the forsee able future. Phew! I can't even imagine these showrunners writing babies.

Whilst I'm not that bothered, I feel sorry for those fans desperately wanting them to have one on the show, after reading that article sounds like they can forget it. I can even see the show ending without one, may be a quick mention at the end they plan to have start trying soon or something. The only way right now I can see that changing is if Stana gets pregnant as happened with Emily on Bones.

[Chado]

That 2nd link you posted (TV Guide) metaphor is much better than the TVLine one, they ask much better questions that get answers in more detail. They are actually asking proper questions about Beckett's intentions and how open she will be with Castle. Of course, the main thing is whether the showrunners actually keep to their words. Which we know from past interviews.........isn't always the case.

 

I still disagree with their thought process on Castle in regards to taking her back, and the idea that fans would be (more?) angry if Castle didn't take her back, it just shows (to me) that there is a massive disconnect between what the fans think and what they think we think. That's not to say everybody wants Castle to walk away from her, but a lot of the negativity online is about Castle's lack of backbone. For them to think 1 and a 1/2 scenes is Castle showing a backbone.....is pretty ludicrous. They needed it earlier so the audience could see that his words actually influenced Beckett's thinking and she realized just how much she hurt him. That was a pretty big fail in the fall finale, they rushed over it too quick.

 

"When he does return, we get a twist on who Caleb Brown is. It'll be a little surprising to Beckett and hopefully it will be surprising to our viewers as well" - Why do I know that I'm just going to hate this character?

Edited November 24, 2015 by Chado

[verdana]

metaphor Thanks for the links, their responses to some questions have me shaking my head.

Will Vikram still be in Beckett's ear warning against the danger she's putting Castle in, or is she pretty much committed to this decision?

Hawley: She's committed to the decision. What Castle brings up to her in that interrogation room scene is a painful moment of self-realization for Beckett. [Castle says] that because of what happened with her mom, because of her obsession-based personality, part of her that likes being broken and likes to be the martyr a little bit. And once she realizes that he's actually right and sees her in a way that she can't even see herself, it allows her to make her peace with that and move on. That's what the end of the episode is about: her going, "You were right. We could have done it this way. Let's do it this way." That's a really good moment for the two of them and I think that makes their relationship grow.

I don't get how Beckett being allowed to continue with her investigation into Locksat with no repercussions but with the added bonus of Castle willingly by her side has made their relationship grow? Like I said on the episode thread, the end scene felt like Castle had enabled an addict by letting the their addiction tick over with him as spectator. These guys have one screwed up view on emotionally healthy relationships and positive progress.

And I take issue with them saying Beckett has an 'obsession based' personality, it's like Hawley is trying to rewrite the show and characters in the way he wants it. I never thought she had some kind of disorder, she grew obsessed about her mother's case yes but that was understandable to suddenly start saying this is her basic personality feels wrong to me.

[verdana]

How much will she actually tell him about what she's up to? Will she enlist Castle's help in the LokSat investigation?

Winter: She's going to be open and honest with him -- that was the declaration at the end of the episode. But moving forward, she knows that the investigation of LokSat is still incredibly dangerous. So, they are going to make the decision that Castle is not going to be involved in it. They're going to keep the fact that they're back together a secret, and she's going to move forward with it to protect Castle. Will it continue to be that for the rest of the season? Probably not. We're going to keep twisting that dynamic as we move on in the new year.

If this investigation is so incredibly dangerous why on earth is she happy to now sneak around for sleepovers at the loft and agree to work with him constantly as has been mentioned? And using the excuse 'well she just can't help herself she wants to be with him' isn't good enough given the supposed danger involved, she's said herself she would die if she lost him. I know I shouldn't be asking these kind of questions but the whole 'separate to protect' lark be they together or faking it makes no logical sense however you approach it, you need to disengage your brain.

[verdana]

Does this mean Beckett will be moving back in?

Hawley: No, the public face of them is still broken up, so she’ll be sneaking in to see him. They will be spending time together. We will now return to scenes at the beginning and end of episodes with them ...

Winter: ... In bed.

Hawley: Yes, in bed, but she’s sneaking in through the back door because the public face is still they are broken up. She’s trying to keep this public idea that Castle is out of her life,

Okay this answers the question about whether she's moving back in but really come on she's sneaking in the back door for sleepovers, why bother caring? Everyone who wants to find them seems to be able to walk into the loft day or night from serial killers to gunmen but obviously big bad Locksat will be fooled by this clever ruse they have going on with the new back door policy with secret meet ups. Will Castle be sneaking in the back door of the precinct too?

And the way Winter immediately says 'in bed' and Hawley follows up like they're some tag team, have these guys got the mental age of kids or something? It sounds so childish, the pratfalls and frat boy humor have been magnified this season and reading that response I can understand why.

I can see where their logic takes them, hint about possibly regular bed scenes during their fake separation and the fans won't give a crap about the rest. They may well be right.

Moving forward, we're not planning on repeating ourselves. (Winter)

Really? Because that's all the writers have been doing since the season started, rehashing what I've already seen and next year looks like they recycle season 5. I never thought Marlowe fulfilled the potential of them secretly first dating when it was all fresh and they were in their honeymoon phase and I'm convinced Hawley believes he can do much better. Best forget the little matter of them being married. Edited November 24, 2015 by verdana

[KaveDweller]

Hawley: Yes, in bed, but she’s sneaking in through the back door because the public face is still they are broken up. She’s trying to keep this public idea that Castle is out of her life.

Winter: The two of them have been married for a year so it adds a new, sexy twist to their relationship. Now it’s a little naughty. It’s a little forbidden, which adds a little jolt of fun. It’s like the old days where they have to sneak around. We [Castle and Beckett] can’t share with everyone we are together. That’s one of the delightful things we have been able to do that you’ll see in the new year that we wouldn’t have been able to do if we hadn’t started this whole thing off.

The loft has a back door? Is that how the criminals keep getting in?

The sneaking around sounds like it could be what early season 5 should have been. It's a shame they had to taint the characters by not just starting out the season that way.

[Blackrock1]

Is it just me, or could we use a live Twitter feed from the writers along the boom of the screen? Like closed captioning for the uninformed. They could explain what's really happening as opposed to what is on scree. I missed the "powerful moment" when Kate cured herself of her obsession. I also missed Castle being angry in the loft... I saw Kate just looking confused when Espo interrupted, and I saw Castle go down that road, but completely reverse himself out of nowhere and say "ok" and grab his girl.

Honestly, without these awful interviews I would have no idea about most of what the writers intend to convey. That's said, I enjoyed the episode right up until the final scene. Right idea, absolutely horrible dialogue.

Oh, and the mysonginistic brush off about the pregnancy question. Jesus. Here's a thought, maybe it would be interesting and "fun" to see how the couple faced THOSE challenges. How Beckett would adapt to any restrictions placed on her activities by the NYPD. How Castle would navigate in that space. I agree that it's way too soon, however, the snap reaction that Beckett would somehow be useless, that it is unimaginable....well actually, it is unimaginable for this team. Sadly.

[S55]

It's a bit ridiculous to read TPW comment in an interview that they've "never been able to do" things like hiding their relationship before. Um, was he not the same writer of Secret's Safe with Me? I mean, Hawley wasn't on the writing staff then, so he can claim a desire to reinvent the wheel, but TPW? Really? And any of those interviewers needed to call them on why this retread is different and/or better. Especially because they're married now and not just dating.

 

The "payoff" AH and TWP are trying to sell right now from these first 8 episodes feels as hollow as the "great storytelling and character development" the viewers were promised in season 7 before Castle and Beckett finally got married in episode 6.

[Blackrock1]

Does anyone know where Alexis and Martha live? Or Beckett?

[TWP]

After reading all of those interviews, I must admit that I don't understand why the fake break-up couldn't have been the storyline they went with from the beginning. I feel like most of the same dramatic and comedic beats could have been hit without the frustration and confusion regarding the characters' actions that this first third of the season has brought about. For all the writers have said in the past, I don't feel after watching 8x08 that this has all been worth it or that I have learned new things about the characters that have made me believe in them or their relationship even more. But onward and upward, I guess. 

To my way of thinking, it's because if they'd done a fake breakup initially, the fans would have been mad, rather than "appreciative" as many seem now.  Fans wouldn't know how good they have it. A real break-up that made fans absolutely furious, followed by a fake breakup where the narrative is "phew, at least they're back together" is better PR for ratings.  Imagine where they'd be now without the "boost" of the reunion.

Edited November 24, 2015 by TWP

[verdana]

Does anyone know where Alexis and Martha live? Or Beckett?

No.

 

I thought Alexis might be hanging around the loft but no one has bothered to tell the fans anything about the various living arrangements. 

[turnitwayup]

Does anyone know where Alexis and Martha live? Or Beckett?

 

No one knows and I don't think TPTB care to inform the audience. I think Alexis is still suppose to be living at the loft but TPTB already mangled her living in the dorm and living in an apartment with a boyfriend storylines. Even with the less loft scenes this season so far, it seems like most of Alexis's scenes have been in the PI office or out in the field. I figure Alexis probably spent her nights at Martha's place in the last 2 eps.

[Blackrock1]

No one knows and I don't think TPTB care to inform the audience. I think Alexis is still suppose to be living at the loft but TPTB already mangled her living in the dorm and living in an apartment with a boyfriend storylines. Even with the less loft scenes this season so far, it seems like most of Alexis's scenes have been in the PI office or out in the field. I figure Alexis probably spent her nights at Martha's place in the last 2 eps.

I was being sarcastic.

[AntiBeeSpray]

Damn. The writers are just terrible. The route they're taking is so childish. Not bothering on watching this show for the foreseeable future.

[femmefan1946]

Just watched Drunk History and had to look this up on YouTube.

 

 

Also NF in Fauntleroy curls and a sailor suit.

Edited November 25, 2015 by femmefan1946

[verdana]

Is it just me, or could we use a live Twitter feed from the writers along the boom of the screen? Like closed captioning for the uninformed. They could explain what's really happening as opposed to what is on scree. I missed the "powerful moment" when Kate cured herself of her obsession. I also missed Castle being angry in the loft... I saw Kate just looking confused when Espo interrupted, and I saw Castle go down that road, but completely reverse himself out of nowhere and say "ok" and grab his girl.

Honestly, without these awful interviews I would have no idea about most of what the writers intend to convey. That's said, I enjoyed the episode right up until the final scene. Right idea, absolutely horrible dialogue.

 

I often wonder what show is playing in the writers heads when I hear what they have to say, I'd love to be watching it.

 

That's one reason why I read their interviews, it's often the only way I can figure out what the characters motivations are for what they do.  It was the same with Marlowe, the writers are still showing insufficient on screen to explain what is going on and so fans have to fill in the blanks as best they can. 

[verdana]

Cancellation Jitters: 8 Shows in Danger at TV LIne

 

Castle
CON: The show's audience is getting smaller and older. And those new deals inked by Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic featured numbers getting bigger and bigger.
PRO: We’ve been worried about Castle before and, much like that bunny with the drum and battery pack, it just keeps on ticking.

 

 

Despite the low demo, I can see the show continuing another season as long as Katic and Fillion want to stick with it of course, simply because ABC has nothing better to replace it with.

[WendyCR72]

Cancellation Jitters: 8 Shows in Danger at TV LIne

 

Despite the low demo, I can see the show continuing another season as long as Katic and Fillion want to stick with it of course, simply because ABC has nothing better to replace it with.

 

True, but they seem checked out NOW. I don't see one or the other re-signing. As for the "nothing else" part, there are new shows to try every fall and midseason. So the show may not be a success, but new things can always be plugged in there.

 

With that said, I bet ABC wishes it never gave Monday Night Football to ESPN after 30+ years right about now.

[oberon55]

 

With that said, I bet ABC wishes it never gave Monday Night Football to ESPN after 30+ years right about now.

 

Disney owns both ABC & ESPN so it was just shuffling MNF from one pocket to another.

[WendyCR72]

Disney owns both ABC & ESPN so it was just shuffling MNF from one pocket to another.

 

Oh, I know ABC and ESPN are under the same umbrella, as it were, but ABC doesn't get the profits outright as it did before Disney owned it. And even way back, MNF got ratings. Which ABC is lacking about now.

 

(As an aside, it was how my parents found out John Lennon died, with Howard Cosell announcing it during a game.)

[oberon55]

I remember reading articles at the time where ABC claimed they had been losing money on MNF for years.

 

This is an excerpt on an article about how much ESPN payed for MNF:

 

SEPT. 8, 2011

Hours before the N.F.L. season began Thursday, ESPN demonstrated what “Monday Night Football” means to the cable empire by renewing it for $15.2 billion through 2021, according to a person briefed on the details.

[verdana]

They were really stuvk in season 4 and move on to season 5 now. They have to keep their relationship a secret. ....been there, done that. I think I'm out. I'll keep reading here what you guys think but I'm not watching. I've had all the FUN I can handle for this show.

Given Hawley's stuck in the past and keen to revisit everything, how much longer do you reckon we have to wait until we get them renewing their wedding vows? Hawley would love nothing more surely to trump Marlowe's attempt.

[cappuccino]

Given Hawley's stuck in the past and keen to revisit everything, how much longer do you reckon we have to wait until we get them renewing their wedding vows? Hawley would love nothing more surely to trump Marlowe's attempt.

I guess we'll get some tension back once Castle's stupid disappearing act comes into play again. That statement about the vice versa suggests to me that they'll reverse the parts in the second half of the season next year. Beckett will get mad or whatever with Castle and he needs to grovel. She sure hasn't put that entire act behind her and still holds some grudge. I don't really think they are going to do a do-over of the wedding. Although maybe they pull some crap like it wasn't legal in the first place and they have to get married again in the series finale with everyone around this time.

[verdana]

It's definitely Castle's turn to feel the heat for something over his disappearance, Hawley will want to put his own stamp on that too. Given what's happened so far I dread to think how bad it might be and what they'll uncover.  I can see a real jump the shark moment happening later on in the season as they try and tie both stories in together. They've already caused damage to both of them this season with this separation arc but Beckett especially took a hit and I don't want them making it worse to the point I can't ship them together any more they're so screwed up. 

[Cyranetta]

 

Given Hawley's stuck in the past and keen to revisit everything, how much longer do you reckon we have to wait until we get them renewing their wedding vows? Hawley would love nothing more surely to trump Marlowe's attempt.

My guess is, given the disrespect he's stated for the relationship as of any importance or value, that he would either ignore it altogether or make it a "frat-boy" set-piece, including Alexis making highly inappropriate and squicky comments about her father's sex life.

[AntiBeeSpray]

It's definitely Castle's turn to feel the heat for something over his disappearance, Hawley will want to put his own stamp on that too. Given what's happened so far I dread to think how bad it might be and what they'll uncover.  I can see a real jump the shark moment happening later on in the season as they try and tie both stories in together. They've already caused damage to both of them this season with this separation arc but Beckett especially took a hit and I don't want them making it worse to the point I can't ship them together any more they're so screwed up. 

 

This. I'm getting to the point where I don't ship them and I don't give a damn about the show altogether. They've pretty much killed it in my eyes.

[cappuccino]

This. I'm getting to the point where I don't ship them and I don't give a damn about the show altogether. They've pretty much killed it in my eyes.

For me it already started back in season 6 and the boring wedding nonsense and of course the finale. I wasn't hooked that much anymore and it went downwards from there on. Come to think of it, they didn't even do a good job back in season 5. They had so much potential and steam and nothing came of it. The foreplay was top, the following. .....could have been way better. I don't know if it was because MilMar weren't able to perform or N&S ? I don't really care anymore because what's done, is done.

Maybe now they can pull it off better but I don't care anymore. Especially after what they have done in those 8 episodes. It's a little to late.

[tvchick]

It's definitely Castle's turn to feel the heat for something over his disappearance, Hawley will want to put his own stamp on that too. Given what's happened so far I dread to think how bad it might be and what they'll uncover.  I can see a real jump the shark moment happening later on in the season as they try and tie both stories in together. They've already caused damage to both of them this season with this separation arc but Beckett especially took a hit and I don't want them making it worse to the point I can't ship them together any more they're so screwed up. 

 

ITA.  I think that is the reason they went with Beckett's trust issues as the rationale for the separation rather than her obsessive behavior.  It feeds into the next part of the season that will center on Castle's disappearance, where he will be the one at fault for doing something damaging to their relationship.

 

Can't wait (sarcasm).

[verdana]

I was reading those post episode interviews again.

 

Winter: I don’t think Beckett could stand someone else close to her dying. Beckett is who she is because her mother was killed back when she was 19 years old and put her on this path she is on now. I don’t think she can handle the idea of Castle being harmed. That’s one of the motivations that put her down this path. It was all out of love. Now that we are past that point, we can twist it in some different ways. When people start seeing our episodes we have in the new year they will see the payoff of this new arrangement.

Like we saw the payoff in 8.08 as to what they had been doing with the initial split? Because if it's yet another payoff similar to that one then I can't get that excited with what's to come.

 

Also, the excuse Beckett was only backsliding because she was terrified of losing him, this would have more resonance if she'd ever shown signs of such anxiety levels before during all the scrapes they've got into over the years. 

 

How much will she actually tell him about what she's up to? Will she enlist Castle's help in the LokSat investigation?
Winter: She's going to be open and honest with him -- that was the declaration at the end of the episode. But moving forward, she knows that the investigation of LokSat is still incredibly dangerous. So, they are going to make the decision that Castle is not going to be involved in it. They're going to keep the fact that they're back together a secret, and she's going to move forward with it to protect Castle. Will it continue to be that for the rest of the season? Probably not. We're going to keep twisting that dynamic as we move on in the new year.
Hawley: She's keeping in the loop as much as she can. There's nothing actionable for him to be doing when we come back, and that's the state of the investigation. When there's something that Castle can do, I think she'll absolutely put him in the game. That's our operating premise going into the middle third of the season.

So after all this sounds as if Castle still won't be involved that much, it's more on a "need to know" basis. The reason I was invested in the Johanna Beckett murder investigation was that (a) it was highly personal to Kate (this Locksat mystery has only the very tenuous links to that) and (b) Castle after some resistance from her was with her the whole way trying to solve the mystery. After all that's happened between them if I was Castle I'd be demanding to be on everything.  

 

If Locksat is so very dangerous why on earth would he be happy for her to carry on her investigation, stay in the background and let her choose what is considered important to let him know? They still don't get what marriage is all about, you don't pick and choose what to share when it comes to important matters like this and supposing she misses something that she dismisses as unimportant and he can pick up on that does prove pertinent to the case? That was what made them such a great team, they're both smart people but they look at things from different angles. 

Edited November 27, 2015 by verdana

[madmaverick]

Echoing many of the comments made here re the post ep interviews.  All I'll say for now is that it's very ironic that the next episode will be called Tone Deaf considering the way the showrunners came across in the interviews. ;)  

 

I didn't think I would detest the use of a word as much as "organic" and "mythology", but "fun" has earned its place.  Oh, joy.  

[verdana]

rise  -by E  

 

More lovely artwork from random ship.

 

Yeah the word "fun" has now thoroughly worn out its welcome with me too. 

[KaveDweller]

Also, the excuse Beckett was only backsliding because she was terrified of losing him, this would have more resonance if she's ever shown signs of such anxiety levels before during all the scrapes they've got into over the years. 

 

Well to give her some credit, if she's been in danger with him then she wouldn't have the same anxiety.  If she dies too, she wouldn't have to worry about how bad it would be to lose him.  Granted she's in danger with LokSat too, but maybe her obsessive justice disorder is preventing her from seeing that? It's weird that TPTB spent so much time over the summer talking about her obsession changing her DNA and then only gave us one sentence of "pay off."

 

I wonder if they are going to have Vikram know Castle and Beckett are back together, or if they'll be keeping it from him too. 

[verdana]

 

I wonder if they are going to have Vikram know Castle and Beckett are back together, or if they'll be keeping it from him too. 

I'd rather they clued him in because I can't stand much more of him interfering in her marriage telling her not to see him and so on, it really irks me. 

[oberon55]

I think Vikrum is just Beckett's version of Martha (with her have faith in Beckett campaign). He is just spouting the company line that if Castle even thinks about LokSat he will die a horrible death. Obviously they feel the viewers are incapable of understanding all the subtle nuances of the plot unless the writers come out from behind the curtain & beat them over the head with it. It's like they think if we hear it enough we will have no choice but to believe it.

[femmefan1946]

One of these days I will re-view Season 8 and see if my theory that the entirity of Locksat is a hallucination by PTSD!Beckett who has gone off her meds and in particular all the Vikram parts are misunderstandings based on that hallucination.

But I'm off to Cuba next week and have to find a bathing suit before Thursday.

[S55]

I came across this gif set last night and noticed that Stana's hair length is different between 807 and 808. Did she go back to extensions after ditching the wig? lol  

Edited December 1, 2015 by S55

[TWP]

I think Vikrum is just Beckett's version of Martha (with her have faith in Beckett campaign). He is just spouting the company line that if Castle even thinks about LokSat he will die a horrible death. Obviously they feel the viewers are incapable of understanding all the subtle nuances of the plot unless the writers come out from behind the curtain & beat them over the head with it. It's like they think if we hear it enough we will have no choice but to believe it.

I'd prefer that she have a "Larry," along the lines of Lucy.  It makes me crazy when Vikram says, "no, don't answer that," as if answering the phone is so much different than the myriad ways that Castle and Beckett get together.  The telephone would likely be the least dangerous.

 

Maybe all the eye rolling I do keeps my eye muscles young ;-).  I like to think so.  Castle. My weekly eye aerobics ;-).

Edited December 2, 2015 by TWP

[madmaverick]

Don't know if others have seen this already, but I only came across it when Seamus tweeted about it.  

 

Now this is what I call a truly fun piece by talented people.  I believe it was made by a Castle fan who works with a touring Sound of Music company.

 

"How do you solve a murder with Rick Castle?"

 

And not Castle related, but Molly also did a rap video playing Hermione of Harry Potter fame vs Katniss of The Hunger Games.  Over 1m hits. Maybe Shay-Jean should have taken a leaf from that book.  

Edited December 2, 2015 by madmaverick

[KaveDweller]

I'd prefer that she have a "Larry," along the lines of Lucy.  It makes me crazy when Vikram says, "no, don't answer that," as if answering the phone is so much different than the myriad ways that Castle and Beckett get together.  The telephone would likely be the least dangerous.

 

Well to give Vikram credit (and I hate to do that), Beckett answering the phone is what allowed Haley to hack into his computer system. So it really was dangerous. Although I don't know if that's actually what Vikram was thinking about.

 

Don't know if others have seen this already, but I only came across it when Seamus tweeted about it.  

 

Now this is what I call a truly fun piece by talented people.  I believe it was made by a Castle fan who works with a touring Sound of Music company.

 

"How do you solve a murder with Rick Castle?" 

 

I absolutely loved that. But The Sound of Music was my favorite movie as a kid, so a Sound of Music/Castle crossover would have pleased me even if it sucked.

[verdana]

Don't know if others have seen this already, but I only came across it when Seamus tweeted about it.  

 

Now this is what I call a truly fun piece by talented people.  I believe it was made by a Castle fan who works with a touring Sound of Music company.

 

"How do you solve a murder with Rick Castle?"

 

Enjoyed that thank you, love The Sound of Music.

 

Some more songs they could do using this great movie as their inspiration, "I have confidence" (that the season can only get better), "climb every mountain" (because that's what it feels like I'm doing watching Castle at the moment but onward and upward!) and "something good" (because I'm hoping something good will happen to make all this Locksat business worthwhile).

Edited December 3, 2015 by verdana

[Cyranetta]

And then there's "High in a Loft Was a Lonely Writer..."

[AntiBeeSpray]

One of these days I will re-view Season 8 and see if my theory that the entirity of Locksat is a hallucination by PTSD!Beckett who has gone off her meds and in particular all the Vikram parts are misunderstandings based on that hallucination.

But I'm off to Cuba next week and have to find a bathing suit before Thursday.

 

Can this entire season or so be considered to be a hallucination?

[CastleSeason8]

The more i think about the new "dynamic shift" the more Im dreading February. I was the one saying i was just glad they were back together - even though i hated the reunion scene - but this fake break, with fights infront of their friends and co-workers just makes me ill. It wont be the sly fun of S5, but cringe-worthy bickering that will be so unlike their characters (but i guess very much of the same non-character like behavior of S8) that Im guessing it will be hard for me to watch.

Time will tell i guess, but considering the idea TPTB have of "fun", Im bracing myself.

Edited December 4, 2015 by CastleSeason8

[AntiBeeSpray]

The more i think about the new "dynamic shift" the more Im dreading February. I was the one saying i was just glad they were back together - even though i hated the reunion scene - but this fake break, with fights infront of their friends and co-workers just makes me ill. It wont be the sly fun of S5, but cringe-worthy bickering that will be so unlike their characters (but i guess very much of the same non-character like behavior of S8) that Im guessing it will be hard for me to watch.

Time will tell i guess, but considering the idea TPTB have of "fun", Im bracing myself.

 

Exactly. Just more crud. Another reason to not watch this show. Guess I'll be continuing my non watching. It's deplorable what this show has become. It could have been good, but now it's just pathetic.

[verdana]

The more i think about the new "dynamic shift" the more Im dreading February. I was the one saying i was just glad they were back together - even though i hated the reunion scene - but this fake break, with fights infront of their friends and co-workers just makes me ill. It wont be the sly fun of S5, but cringe-worthy bickering that will be so unlike their characters (but i guess very much of the same non-character like behavior of S8) that Im guessing it will be hard for me to watch.

Time will tell i guess, but considering the idea TPTB have of "fun", Im bracing myself.

I'm also not overly excited to come back next year to Caskett The Separation Part Deux. Back in season 5 yeah it was fun to watch them hiding their relationship but this scenario of pretending they've got marital problems for show doesn't feel right, who does something like that? Urgh. It's still hurtful and confusing for people around them such as friends and family who think they're going through a painful time only to the find out eventually it's all been a sham - that doesn't seem remotely funny especially if this continues for a long time. 

 

It also makes the Locksat issue even more difficult to take seriously when they're back to sleeping together under the same roof a lot of the time, when their cover to fool the big bad is as pathetic as this one is turning out to be, by emphasizing the more light hearted elements they're undermining any efforts to generate a sense of this big threat looming over them. 

Steph Hicks ‏@Sticks919  Dec 2

Snowy's helping in the writing room today! #castle @castle_writers

https://twitter.com/Sticks919/status/672119289860657152

 

When I saw the new addition to the writing room, I thought may be Snowy can provide better cohesive writing for the rest of the season than the current incumbents and bad news to those still vainly hoping for a baby when one fan asked would there be a Caskett baby this season, she let Snowy hand out the reply.  

Edited December 5, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  2 hrs2 hours ago

#Castle #Lastseduction #returnofscriptsnippets #part1

https://twitter.com/RobHanning/status/673556692848631808

 

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  2 hrs2 hours ago

#Castle #LastSeduction #returnofscriptsnippets #part2

https://twitter.com/RobHanning/status/673557304847953920

 

[KaveDweller]

 

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  2 hrs2 hours ago

#Castle #Lastseduction #returnofscriptsnippets #part1

https://twitter.com/RobHanning/status/673556692848631808

 

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  2 hrs2 hours ago

#Castle #LastSeduction #returnofscriptsnippets #part2

https://twitter.com/RobHanning/status/673557304847953920

 

 

 

Interesting that the dialogue seemed to change a bit from what we saw on screen. I wonder who initiated the change.

[S55]

Does anyone else watch Billy on the Street on TruTV? This past week's episode had a brief Castle mention during his game "For a Dollar." It was so quick I had to rewind a couple of times to make sure I'd heard correctly. 

[tljgator]

Y'all are gonna love this one, lol ... from TV|Line

 

“We haven’t nailed the story down for it,” Hawley says, “but we do like the idea that something that Castle came across during his missing time is actually why his memory was wiped — and it wasn’t necessarily about the reason we showed in Season 7. And it does have something to do with Beckett. But we haven’t nailed it all the way down yet.”

Edited December 7, 2015 by tljgator