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WendyCR72
WendyCR72

Let me introduce you to How I Met Your Mother...

Sara2009
Sara2009

Tbh, this drama is more interesting than the show has been in quite some time.

oberon55
oberon55

This is completely true. But at the same time I watch TV for escape. I watch all kinds of shows & have different expectations depending on the show. When I watch gritty shows like Breaking Bad or

verdana

verdana

welp, I'm gonna disappear until the episode airs then. I swear the screener brings out bigger hype machines than when the showrunners do interviews.

That's because most of the so called 'reviewers' are a bunch of dedicated fangirls who are clearly incapable of being impartial in their analysis of what they've seen or they reveal far too much, those who act professionally are few and far between. I tend to enjoy the episode more if I don't read them.

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madmaverick

madmaverick

If I were Stana, I would have found it hard not to crack up at Nathan's take on the Titanic heh.  But those scenes were most likely shot separately as per normal production practices (no conspiracies, please).  

 

Interview with Nathan in The Advocate.  Castle gets a mention amongst other things.

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verdana

verdana

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Watched the sneak, best bit was the start with Nathan heh, I'm getting really tired of Kate half heartedly telling Castle he shouldn't be around when you know he's going to stay and she's going to let him.

 

Thanks for the link madmaverick. 

I wish they'd drop the pretence entirely since the whole premise is so stupid in the first place.

One person already giving it very high praise.
 

Julie Boudwin @Julie_Boudwin
Just screened "Mr. & Mrs. Castle," best episode of season 8 thus far, imo. #Castle

 

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verdana

verdana

Spoiler Room: Scoop on Once Upon a Time, Blacklist, Grey's Anatomy and more at EW
 


Hi! Ay scoop about Castle? — Fred
A case that lands on Beckett and Castle’s radar in the fall finale has a connection to LOKSAT. But it’s actually the cryptic text that Beckett received from Vikram last week that puts Castle on the trail of what’s really going on, leading to a decision that could jeopardize what’s left of their marriage.

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Chado

Chado

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I sent you a PM verdana, I heard what happened in the episode from somebody. You're going to love it.....lol. I wasn't sure if I should say it here, so decided not to.

 

edit: 2 different people I've spoken to, who have watched the screener, think that the episodes were deliberately reshuffled so this ending could happen. Maybe the negativity has had an influence? Impossible to know for sure of course

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madmaverick

madmaverick

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Will Scandal End With 'Olitz'? Did Castle Make a Baby? Can Arrow's Thea Destroy Darhk? And More TV Qs at TV Line 

Oh please, fans are really reaching here.

LOL!  That may be the most hilarious thing I've read about Castle in ages.  The only thing that made me think of was... a fried egg. :P  I actually was far from impressed by that attempt at an "artistic" shot.  Could have done without it.  Same as that thunder and lightening during Always.  

 

Clickbaity much with the link wording?  ;)  Seriously, what's up with babies on the brain/constant pregnancy watch?  Give it a rest.

http://tvline.com/2015/11/20/castle-beckett-pregnant-tv-questions-answers/

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Nadine

Nadine

I sent you a PM verdana, I heard what happened in the episode from somebody. You're going to love it.....lol. I wasn't sure if I should say it here, so decided not to.

edit: 2 different people I've spoken to, who have watched the screener, think that the episodes were deliberately reshuffled so this ending could happen. Maybe the negativity has had an influence? Impossible to know for sure of course

To my knowledge the episodes were always planned to air the way they have been aired. It was production wise as to why they were filmed out of order.

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Nadine

Nadine

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There is a reason why they needed to air The Last Seduction before this episode and the screeners have highlighted that. Pretty sure I stated that a while back in terms of scheduling and what would be a better fall finale.

But as they say you can believe whatever you want to believe.

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verdana

verdana

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Whether the negativity had any influence at all on what transpires in 8.08 will remain a mystery, all I want is this shitty separation over and done with. The writers will never admit they fucked up I realise that but it was a huge mistake and so far has added nothing in terms of character development or shown me anything fresh or interesting which is what I expect.  

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CastleSeason8

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Whether the negativity had any influence at all on what transpires in 8.08 will remain a mystery, all I want is this shitty separation over and done with. The writers will never admit they fucked up I realise that but it was a huge mistake and so far has added nothing in terms of character development or shown me anything fresh or interesting which is what I expect.

Oh i get this. I am one of those (and Ive been vocal) who hates this season - hate the separation, thinks Kate is selfish, cold, character has regressed, needs to atone - thinks Castle needs to man-up, get a brain - doesnt care about this new big bad, hates PI arc, new Alexis supergirl, Vikram and Hayley BUT i need this separation to end. I will do as much hand waving as necessary if they will move past this stupidity and get on with some form of the show i used to love.

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verdana

verdana

Expecting this story to conclude in a satisfying way when it comes to the writing of these characters is highly doubtful given what's gone before but as long as it ends many won't care what kind of botch job they do, may be that's what the writers are counting on. 

 

Season 8 will officially start in January if they manage to get them back together, I'm going to pretend the first 8 episodes never happened and it should be easy because Castle and Beckett have done nothing of any importance that I care about. 

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Cyranetta

Cyranetta

Not only do I want this stupid separation to end, I want anything to do with LokSat bundled up in a crate and stored deep within that enormous government facility from Indiana Jones guarding the Ark of the Covenant

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verdana

verdana

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Could someone share what happens in the episode? Some of these posts feel like teasing.

Reading the previews it appears to confirm what Hawley said in an interview, that 8.08 deals with Locksat whilst also investigating this case on board ship, Rick is finally getting curious and doing his own secret investigating based on that text and there is finally movement on the separation front between Castle and Beckett.  This may involve a confrontation of some sort eventually happening between them which may or may not have a positive outcome (no screener will tell you the answer to that one because they not allowed to) but since Hawley also said there will be no cliffhanger then one has to presume that something has to give and fans are hoping based on what they can tease out of these people who've seen it is that it's a positive development and they get back together. Whether they do or not we're all going to have to wait until Monday to find that out unless someone does spill.

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TWP

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Will Scandal End With 'Olitz'? Did Castle Make a Baby? Can Arrow's Thea Destroy Darhk? And More TV Qs at TV Line 

Oh please, fans are really reaching here.

We can hope they are.  I think the death knell to this show is a baby.  The writers can barely write a couple.  A baby would just kill it.

 

I think I was right in saying the couple will get together in some fashion before the end of this episode.  My confidence comes from the fact that THEY have to.

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VinceW

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Expecting this story to conclude in a satisfying way when it comes to the writing of these characters is highly doubtful given what's gone before but as long as it ends many won't care what kind of botch job they do, may be that's what the writers are counting on. 

 

Season 8 will officially start in January if they manage to get them back together, I'm going to pretend the first 8 episodes never happened and it should be easy because Castle and Beckett have done nothing of any importance that I care about. 

It is long past time for Castle to decide that he needs to know the whole story. There hasn't been a single situation in the first 7 episodes that created a dynamic that could only be exploited through a separation of the lead characters. Hopefully, that mystery text message Castle noticed from Vikram is the start of things moving to an end of the manufactured angst in the season. Let us hope that the network wanted things to move forward quickly with major changes in order to stop the ratings drop and for that reason the long hiatus was cut short. The January episodes were planned for February sweeps before the updated schedule which suggests that maybe things will be resolved and Beckett will start acting like a supportive and loving wife again. If LokSat is a criminal organization rather than just one person, then suspects can be knocked off on the way through the rest of the season and still keep the danger present, but allow them to end the separation.

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verdana

verdana

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Okay I was looking all around for the spoilers thread thinking it was there a second ago! Aaaah good idea to merge them it was a bit of pain having two threads better to have one than skipping between them with duplications. Thanks Wendy.

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Chado

Chado

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I wasn't going to post this, but I've had a few people message me on here about what I said earlier.

 

Basically I had a quick QnA session with someone who has watched the screener. I'll put a brief snippet in spoiler tags because I actually say what happens between Beckett and Castle in the questions. Do not read, if you want to remain spoiler free, seriously stay away if you don't want to know what happens as far as Caskett is concerned.

 

 

All my questions were about Caskett, and the issues I've had specifically with this season so far. Maybe it will help people look forward to the episode? I don't know!

 

Final warning, Big Caskett spoilers in spoiler tag

 

Q. Does Castle actually take Beckett back without any explanation?

A. There are explanations from Beckett.

Q. What's your view on them? Castle doesn't come across as....doormat'ish?

A. This may sound weird but he kind of does but also kind of doesn't? It depends if you believe that if you love someone you will do anything to be with them. And if you understand how someone you love is and just accept them for who they are.

Q. You think Beckett actually thinks/views things differently after the episode? Are lessons learned?

A. Oh, she learns her lesson. She tells him that if nothing else, she's realized even more how much she needs Castle.

Q. You think the topic of divorce can forever die now?

A. No divorce talk anymore. And there is a reveal of something Vikram did in this episode that will put him square on the fan's hate list.

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Chado

Chado

I haven't watched the episode so this is purely speculation in terms of what I'm about to say.....but I get the feeling that Vikram deliberately sent that text message knowing that Beckett was with Castle at the time, and he is hoping that it created an even greater divide.

 

There is suggestions that fans won't like Vikram after this next episode, maybe he has been working behind the scenes to make sure Castle and Beckett never get back together?

 

He's always seemed super shady to me.

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TWP

TWP

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First, a little self-congratulation is in order ;-). I stated several episodes ago that the couple would have to get together before hiatus for the sake of ratings. Maybe that wasn't the original plan (see Hal). However, the showrunners might be a tad arrogant, but they aren't stupid. And my guesses about Vikram's sin. Maybe he was responsible for Castle's kidnapping? Maybe he almost gets Beckett killed in this ep?  

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Nadine

Nadine

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IMO, there's a good mixture of episodes to air after the break in terms of themes, etc. Definitely hitting different genres there.

 

On a side note, total spec here, but it wouldn't surprise me if they released a screener for 8.09 because of Corbin Bleu guest starring in it and to capitalise with airing after The Bachelor premiere, etc.

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roamyn

roamyn

I didn't trust Vikram from the beginning. He's involved somehow with LOKSAT. I find it odd how alll hus team, except him were killed.

In another note, I had a very realistic dream that Castle was cancelled as of end of March, 2016. I actually got out of bed the other day & hopped on the computer to see if there was an announcement.

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verdana

verdana

The fact Kate trusted Vikram always seemed strange given she's generally so reluctant to let people in she's working with unless she know them well and they've proved themselves, that felt ooc. I don't care what he's done this episode TBH to Beckett or Castle, I just want him gone, he sucks the life out of any scene he's in, I don't find the guy a very compelling actor and he has no chemistry with Stana. 

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TWP

TWP

If the best possible scenario comes to pass, and if the ratings improve enough to warrant a Season 9?  I hope the showrunners have figured out that they dodged a bullet, and should henceforth follow the idiomatic golden rule, which is:

 

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you." 

 

Limits exist on how much a TV SHOW can be a writer's little playground. The number 1 priority is the fans, not the showrunners' warped sense of what is "fun".  The latter may increase the desire to come to work every day -- but only until the first lousy episode airs.  Empathy to the viewership trumps everything. And if a hair-brained idea fails? It's the showrunners' fault, never ours.

 

Please don't take the viewers down this pathetic path ever again.

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roamyn

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The fact Kate trusted Vikram always seemed strange given she's generally so reluctant to let people in she's working with unless she know them well and they've proved themselves, that felt ooc. I don't care what he's done this episode TBH to Beckett or Castle, I just want him gone, he sucks the life out of any scene he's in, I don't find the guy a very compelling actor and he has no chemistry with Stana.

I wonder if she drew him close and trusted him, because she - in reality - doesn't trust him, but needs him to let his guard down.

They've done this before, and she showed him appropriate confusion at his "stern suggestion" that she not go to dinner w/Castle, but she was going to do it anyway.

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verdana

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If the best possible scenario comes to pass, and if the ratings improve enough to warrant a Season 9?  I hope the showrunners have figured out that they dodged a bullet, and should henceforth follow the idiomatic golden rule, which is:

 

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you." 

 

Limits exist on how much a TV SHOW can be a writer's little playground. The number 1 priority is the fans, not the showrunners' warped sense of what is "fun".  The latter may increase the desire to come to work every day -- but only until the first lousy episode airs.  Empathy to the viewership trumps everything. And if a hair-brained idea fails? It's the showrunners' fault, never ours.

 

Please don't take the viewers down this pathetic path ever again.

Much as I'd like to believe they'll recognize the mistakes made I somehow doubt it. 

 

If they do get another season I can see them once again making similar mistakes whilst spinning that it's great character development, exciting, satisfying, "fun" and so on.

 

It's been a repetitive pattern over the last two or three seasons. I can't decide if it's sheer showrunner arrogance in that they truly believe they know better what fans really want to see and any negative reaction to their writing is therefore due to a lack of our comprehension or there's a general level of complacency that's set in at this point and everyone is going through the motions expecting it to end and if they survive another season by the skin of their teeth then great , if not they had a good run. 

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TWP

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Much as I'd like to believe they'll recognize the mistakes made I somehow doubt it. 

 

If they do get another season I can see them once again making similar mistakes whilst spinning that it's great character development, exciting, satisfying, "fun" and so on.

You're probably right. I all but stopped reading Marlowe because of it. They like to experiment with things and figure from their position in the the very highest tower on the very highest hill, in the land far far away that we tiny pin-sized and thus pin-headed viewers will just like it. 

I'm convinced they got schooled this time --if Hal was to be believed and the breakup was to be post-hiatus-- but it doesn't mean they're teachable.

 

 

 

Gosh, has there been a single minute of character development? Other than maybe the fleeting moment in the future when Beckett thinks, "what have I done?" I'd love to see Castle not take her back quickly. Growing a spine would be excellent character development, but may be just wishful thinking.

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CastleSeason8

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You're probably right. I all but stopped reading Marlowe because of it. They like to experiment with things and figure from their position in the the very highest tower on the very highest hill, in the land far far away that we tiny pin-sized and thus pin-headed viewers will just like it.

I'm convinced they got schooled this time --if Hal was to be believed and the breakup was to be post-hiatus-- but it doesn't mean they're teachable.

Gosh, has there been a single minute of character development? Other than maybe the fleeting moment in the future when Beckett thinks, "what have I done?" I'd love to see Castle not take her back quickly. Growing a spine would be excellent character development, but may be just wishful thinking.

I totally agree with you, he needs to get a spine, they need true resolution to move forward and grow as characters and within their relationship - and viewers deserve to get some satisfaction from that, but these guys arent the ones to do it. I dont have faith in their ability to write any kind of scene that will give proper closure.

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verdana

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Gosh, has there been a single minute of character development? Other than maybe the fleeting moment in the future when Beckett thinks, "what have I done?" I'd love to see Castle not take her back quickly. Growing a spine would be excellent character development, but may be just wishful thinking.

Character development? None that I can see. Regression. Plenty. 

 

The writers have failed to tell me the story of Beckett grappling with her problems, instead they've kept stalling obviously waiting for the fall finale when they can unload everything in one fell swoop and make up for the weeks of treading water but at this stage they've left it so long I'm not invested in the story or that emotionally connected to the character's situation.

 

What is Beckett going to learn on Monday? I'll take a wild stab in the dark that she realises she made a big mistake and could work on this better with her husband by her side and she was stupid try and go it alone. But I already knew that and so should the character, that's the problem with this story. I can possibly buy into the idea Beckett has put blinkers on and wants answers to what happened to her colleagues so she's determined to chase after the truth but what I can't get to grips with is that she's choosing to do it alone. That's the fundamental flaw in the story as laid out, they're asking me to believe something that doesn't ring true for the character given her growth over the last few years.   She's got to learn this all over again? That doesn't make sense. 

 

It's time for Castle to confront her and get some straight answers, enough understanding, lets get things out in the open, I'm sick of the duplicity and stalling. 

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roamyn

roamyn

They have all regressed this season. Beckett's back to keeping secrets, Castle's back to acting like the love-struck teenager, Ryan & Esposito are arguing like brothers fighting over a toy, even MARTHA has regressed to giving out shit advice (maybe that's what happened to his & Gina's marriage), Alexis has apparently dropped out of college.

Only Lanie hasn't seemingly regressed. But that's because she's rarely on screen.

As much as I miss her, I'm glad Gates is gone. They might've regressed her to the hard nose IA policewoman we first met, who was strictly by-the-book and hated Castle.

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AntiBeeSpray

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If the best possible scenario comes to pass, and if the ratings improve enough to warrant a Season 9?  I hope the showrunners have figured out that they dodged a bullet, and should henceforth follow the idiomatic golden rule, which is:

 

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you." 

 

Limits exist on how much a TV SHOW can be a writer's little playground. The number 1 priority is the fans, not the showrunners' warped sense of what is "fun".  The latter may increase the desire to come to work every day -- but only until the first lousy episode airs.  Empathy to the viewership trumps everything. And if a hair-brained idea fails? It's the showrunners' fault, never ours.

 

Please don't take the viewers down this pathetic path ever again.

 

^ This.

 

It may be the writers' property, but respect the fans as well. So many shows are pulling boneheaded stunts these days that it's not funny.

Much as I'd like to believe they'll recognize the mistakes made I somehow doubt it. 

 

If they do get another season I can see them once again making similar mistakes whilst spinning that it's great character development, exciting, satisfying, "fun" and so on.

 

It's been a repetitive pattern over the last two or three seasons. I can't decide if it's sheer showrunner arrogance in that they truly believe they know better what fans really want to see and any negative reaction to their writing is therefore due to a lack of our comprehension or there's a general level of complacency that's set in at this point and everyone is going through the motions expecting it to end and if they survive another season by the skin of their teeth then great , if not they had a good run. 

 

That's how I feel about it as well. Some showrunners/writers just don't get it. Whether it's from their own arrogance or otherwise.

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TWP

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I was thinking, okay, what's next?  Remember the spoiler prop list that implied a hospital scene?  Is Castle or Beckett injured (perhaps by Vikram?)? Is the injury the catalyst for the profound revelation or relationship shift that supposedly occurs in 8x08?

 

Putting in spoiler tags because it is beyond mere speculation or hints from cast/crew.

 

I got the impression from the Twitter spoiler person (name escapes me) who compared the Castle reunion scene to one from "Say Anything," that somebody getting hurt acts as a catalyst to bring "Caskett" closer. I'm not sure if I should be taking the comparison so literally, but I'm wondering. What would make Beckett change her mind? It would have to be something significant.  My guesses are either that Vikram turns out to be a "bad" or somebody gets hurt, perhaps Castle and via being surprised about something where knowing the facts would have protected him.

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