oberon55 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 I'm curious. What would people consider to be enough of a "shift" to make them happy? Link to comment
CastleSeason8 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 There had better be a "shift" at some point and a positive one otherwise they're going to have a lot of very unhappy campers on their hands when they come back in February. I think the "shift" needs to be significant. Seems a lot of viewers have set this as their timeline for whether to continue with the show or not. Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I'm pretty sure the showrunners have always said 8 episodes. It's others who have grown it to 9. CMA Awards preshow. YAYYYY. A bearable 10pm Monday show. Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I'm curious. What would people consider to be enough of a "shift" to make them happy? For me, it's anything that stops the sad, lost puppy eyes. I don't care if they break up for real and amicably and each dates others. But if that happens I want it to be clear that they've ended things for good. But the melancholy interactions for no logical reason are heartless to fans. Or, swap and bring back the good aspects of Seasons 1-3, rather than the bad. I think many people are burned out on soap opera angst. It may be part of why daytime soaps have died out. Stop the soap altogether. The shift in me is that I have to realize that Castle was cancelled last Season, replaced by this weird Freshman show, not unlike the many Freshman shows I never bought into. 1 Link to comment
S55 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I'm curious. What would people consider to be enough of a "shift" to make them happy? I need Castle to be angrier as a result of him figuring exactly what Beckett is doing. Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) I need Castle to be angrier as a result of him figuring exactly what Beckett is doing. Yeah this, I want him to finally discover the truth and let Castle get angry in a decent scene, please lets quit with the sad sack clueless guy on a constant loop saying "I need to win my wife back! Ooh she's got the hots for me!" routine. I can't take Castle looking this weak and pathetic for much longer. In fact I'm almost relieved we're getting a Slaughter episode (much as I dislike the character) because it might provide a welcome break from this separation angst watching him having fun doing guy stuff. However, for quite a few fans I suspect they're not wanting anger but instead a swoon worthy moment by the credits which teases they'll be back together if not by that point then very shortly, they can throw in an "Always" too for good measure. Edited October 19, 2015 by verdana Link to comment
CastleSeason8 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I just dont want to hear "its complicated" or "i need to win my wife back" ever again. Sad face, a few tears and that line are all we've gotten from Beckett in 4 eps. Really moving the story along with all this character development that was promised. And btw, something that still really bugs me from ep 1 - this bracelet she was going to "cherish" and hasnt even noticed is missing? Castle has it and is having 'always' buffed out of it. Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 And btw, something that still really bugs me from ep 1 - this bracelet she was going to "cherish" and hasnt even noticed is missing? Castle has it and is having 'always' buffed out of it. And he's having "sometimes" engraved on it instead. He can give it to her back on their first wedding anniversary. Although I don't blame Beckett for not missing it, the bracelet was horribly cheap looking and bling. 2 Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Sometimes! Castle with Beckett and the show with its fans. Link to comment
KaveDweller October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I want to see anger when Castle finds out what's going on, but I don't want it to turn into episode after episode of him being angry and telling Beckett how awful she is. I want him to be angry at first, but then I want to see Caskett start to work through it together. Although I don't blame Beckett for not missing it, the bracelet was horribly cheap looking and bling. I have this theory that Beckett actually has no taste in jewelry, but just swoons over anything Castle gives her because it's from him and doesn't care what it looks like. I'm pretty sure the bracelet is sitting in evidence somewhere. Castle wouldn't have been able to just pick it up a bloody artifact from a crime scene and carry it home, unless the NYPD is even more incompetent than I thought. I actually thought in the first episode we were going to see in XX that Beckett dropped the bracelet on purpose to signal she was in trouble, but I guess not. Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I want to see anger when Castle finds out what's going on, but I don't want it to turn into episode after episode of him being angry and telling Beckett how awful she is. I want him to be angry at first, but then I want to see Caskett start to work through it together. I don't want that either it would be a real drag but I hope they don't gloss over it and he's allowed to be angry for about all of 5 seconds before it's all suddenly rainbows and unicorns. 1 Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) What would be really nice is if Castle finds out about big bad, gets angry at first maybe, but then is in on the ruse. Caskett still has to part to protect Martha and Alexis (furious handwaving.). The UST would make for some great teasing banter. Of course, no love scenes could happen at least for awhile, which I assume would satisfy BTS. I'd be happy with that, since for whatever reason, the love scenes on this show are cringeworthy. I loved this tweet from the Reaper (was CancelBear). If things progress as they have, soon, he'll be talking about us this way ;-). TV Grim Reaper @TVGrimReaper 1h1 hour ago FYI to both #CSICyber fans, it's starting at 10:58 Eastern tonight. Enjoy the episodes that remain. It has a #DateWithTheReaper Edited October 19, 2015 by TVWithPity 1 Link to comment
Chado October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I want to see anger when Castle finds out what's going on, but I don't want it to turn into episode after episode of him being angry and telling Beckett how awful she is. I want him to be angry at first, but then I want to see Caskett start to work through it together. That would assume that Castle learns the truth, gives her an ultimatum (gets angry), and then have that confrontation actually change Beckett's mind. I think the likeliness of that happening is about 0.54343%. I really don't see what Castle says that changes her mind. I imagine he'll get angry, something else will happen that forces them away again (Castle's disappearance or something equally as horrible) and then he will be distant. What "shift" would make me happy is....Castle learns the truth, Castle stops trying to 'win her back', Beckett actually realizes her actions are destroying her marriage, Beckett actually chases Castle for a change (my assumption is something happens to Castle that keeps him away instead 2nd half of season). Link to comment
KaveDweller October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 What would be really nice is if Castle finds out about big bad, gets angry at first maybe, but then is in on the ruse. Caskett still has to part to protect Martha and Alexis (furious handwaving.) That could be interesting. When I first heard about the break up I was hoping it would be some kind of fake out where they were pretending to be on the outs. We'd get the angsty scenes while they were "fighting" but then could still get romantic scenes when they were along. That would assume that Castle learns the truth, gives her an ultimatum (gets angry), and then have that confrontation actually change Beckett's mind. I think the likeliness of that happening is about 0.54343%. I really don't see what Castle says that changes her mind. The odds of anything I want happening are probably pretty slim, so 0.54343% actually doesn't sound so bad. The problem is, they still have to have them solving cases together. A PI forcing himself into the NYPDs cases is sort of plausible. But a police captain forcing herself into what a private citizen is doing doesn't really work from a story perspective. So Castle can't pull away too much. Link to comment
BellyLaughter October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 That could be interesting. When I first heard about the break up I was hoping it would be some kind of fake out where they were pretending to be on the outs. We'd get the angsty scenes while they were "fighting" but then could still get romantic scenes when they were along. The odds of anything I want happening are probably pretty slim, so 0.54343% actually doesn't sound so bad. The problem is, they still have to have them solving cases together. A PI forcing himself into the NYPDs cases is sort of plausible. But a police captain forcing herself into what a private citizen is doing doesn't really work from a story perspective. So Castle can't pull away too much. Thus highlighting the fault line in this season and why "the breakup" was a really misguided decision. I get circumstances that are pretty unavoidable leading to the Captain/P.I split in the show but throwing in a breakup pretty much robbed that setup of any remaining plausibility! Me thinks Hawley has some pretty massive tabs on himself (without any runs on the board) if he truely believed this was a good idea..... Link to comment
KaveDweller October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) I get circumstances that are pretty unavoidable leading to the Captain/P.I split in the show I actually don't think there's been much of a split in terms of the show itself and the cases. The precinct and the P.I. stuff are all working together on the same cases and everything is interconnected. There's less Caskett togetherness, yes, but there's still a lot of them together and they have the same goals. I don't get the sense that I'm watching two shows in one. Take a show like the Good Wife where half the scenes have nothing to do with the other half....they could literally cut them out of the show and it would make no difference. Some spoilers suggested they were doing something like this with Castle this year, but I haven't seen it come true yet. Edited October 19, 2015 by KaveDweller Link to comment
Julia October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I have no idea what they're going to do, but I really hope it includes Castle telling his shady-ass stepmother to back off his business, since she pretty much precipitated this situation. 2 Link to comment
femmefan1946 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Well, Castle could go on a book tour and run into crimes along the way while Beckett works on her possibly imaginary Big Bad. Actually, I'm just hoping that Debi Mazar turns up again sometime soon. Hmm... since she and Castle had a fling, we could have some UST too. 1 Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 That could be interesting. When I first heard about the break up I was hoping it would be some kind of fake out where they were pretending to be on the outs. We'd get the angsty scenes while they were "fighting" but then could still get romantic scenes when they were along. But then we couldn't have The Nose arclet, the almost certain Slaughter douchebaggery or deep investigation of Beckett arc, Vicram as a jealousy target, or who knows what other contrived themes they're dreaming up. And you know the world would cease to turn on it's axis if we couldn't experience all of that. I saw an interesting tweet from Hawley regarding Twitter threats to a Michigan football player. Why is he tweeting something like that? Could there be some "subtext" involved? Are the "natives getting restless?" and Hawley is running interference before things get too bad;-). Who knows. For some reason my browser isn't pasting out of the clipboard. Search Twitter for Hawley. Link to comment
BellyLaughter October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I actually don't think there's been much of a split in terms of the show itself and the cases. The precinct and the P.I. stuff are all working together on the same cases and everything is interconnected. There's less Caskett togetherness, yes, but there's still a lot of them together and they have the same goals. I don't get the sense that I'm watching two shows in one. Take a show like the Good Wife where half the scenes have nothing to do with the other half....they could literally cut them out of the show and it would make no difference. Some spoilers suggested they were doing something like this with Castle this year, but I haven't seen it come true yet. I really meant the additional time off negotiated by actors - not the other rumours! The Capt PI stuff does work for now but the breakup is just badly executed and really not necessary....and only taking away from the opportunities the PI story could bring to the show. The contrivance is just killing it for me....if they were gonna break them up they should have only done it of they really could do it justice. Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) A question I keep asking myself and it's helping me gain strength for my own break from Castle.......That is, do I really trust this "dynamic" duo of showrunners to write the Castle series finale (likely 8x22 at this rate)?The trend in TV is to want to "best" shows like Lost and HIMYM. Mr. and Mr. "Fun" have proven that they don't mind making their audience suffer for their art.Do we, as viewers, have any reason at all to trust them? Edited October 19, 2015 by TVWithPity Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Do we, as viewer, have any reason at all to trust them? No. I dread to think what they have planned for the S8 finale. I can see them leaving fans completely in the lurch if the worst happens, shrugging it off and moving on blaming the network or worse the fans themselves for not having enough faith in their bold "vision" for Castle. Edited October 19, 2015 by verdana 2 Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Amanda @TinkonBrink 6h6 hours ago #Castle 8x09 filming location day 1/8: Raleigh Studios,Los angeles Via OLV: http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2015/10/19/monday-oct-19-filming-locations-for-younger-person-of-interest-house-of-cards-chicago-fire-and-more/… Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Robert Bella RetweetedAndrew Bikichky @AndrewBikichky 1h1 hour ago #Castle Ep809 Dir. H. Culpepper @Hillview798 Script @brooklynbella TV Grim Reaper @TVGrimReaper 1h1 hour ago#Castle ratings went low(er than ever?) last week. *This* is a fan group for which panic is warranted. Link to comment
VinceW October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Castle-Fans @CastleFansOrg 18h18 hours ago#Castle air dates:Oct 19 "The Nose"Oct 26 (7x07)Nov 2 (No episode)Nov 9 "Cool Boys"Nov 16 "The Last Seduction"Nov 23 "Mr & Mrs Castle" Roum gets the fall finale after all; She wrote the worst of the Alexis/Pi episodes (Get a Clue - Castle insults Pi in public; Alexis slams door in Castle's face at end). The director (Bleckner) last worked in S3 and S4 (Nikki Heat, Heroes & Villains, Till Death Do Us Part). Still best to manage expectations about any meaningful "shift". IMHO Edited October 19, 2015 by VinceW Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I must admit Roum is not the person I would choose to write what might prove to be such an important episode in the season. Link to comment
S55 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I must admit Roum is not the person I would choose to write what might prove to be such an important episode in the season. Well, in looking at the other writers on staff, who else is better at this point? At least she's not a newbie. lol Link to comment
VinceW October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) I must admit Roum is not the person I would choose to write what might prove to be such an important episode in the season. She wrote the S5 fall finale (Secret Santa); She uses a lot of subtext in her writing which has suddenly reappeared this season to further enhance the Hawley rewind agenda from earlier seasons. Edited October 19, 2015 by VinceW Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I don't know if we're allowed to link Tumblr, but this person's points are amazing. http://caskettdarvey.tumblr.com/post/131303017926/the-season-thus-far. She doesn't hit all of my issues, but she gels many of them. Link to comment
turnitwayup October 19, 2015 Author Share October 19, 2015 I see that tumblr account from the media thread has already got hate from the kool aid drinking in writers we trust fan group. That person made a really good point about a Dallas scenario might be the only thing to save the season. Instead of rewinding to 6x23, have Beckett in a coma cause she actually got shot in the premier and not a graze where she was walking around with Vikram. Then all this time Castle has been spending time at Beckett's bedside talking to her about his PI cases with the help from the boys and Alexis while she dreams where she inserts herself in Castle's stories as Captain of the precinct but in reality a new Captain has taken place cause she disappeared on her 1st day and now is in a coma. It would make more sense why everyone but Martha is not really concerned about the Caskett split and why everyone is acting so out of character cause Beckett has been dreaming about it. At the end of the season tptb can wake her up and have her realize that she almost died again so now she changes careers. Maybe Castle's PI business also becomes a bounty hunter business or maybe she goes back to school to become a lawyer or something. Just something where she's happy with Castle but still gets to pursue justice in a different way. 2 Link to comment
ZingerCaskett October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 She wrote the S5 fall finale (Secret Santa); She uses a lot of subtext in her writing which has suddenly reappeared this season to further enhance the Hawley rewind agenda from earlier seasons. Hmmm. She wrote the scene where Castle confronts Beckett with her lie about working Christmas....She owned up to it immediately and he understood. Then she gets Karpowski to cover for her and goes to the loft, where he's just about to leave to join her at the precinct. I loved that scene. 1 Link to comment
CastleSeason8 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Hmmm. She wrote the scene where Castle confronts Beckett with her lie about working Christmas....She owned up to it immediately and he understood. Then she gets Karpowski to cover for her and goes to the loft, where he's just about to leave to join her at the precinct. I loved that scene. She also wrote the geisha attacking Castle scene. Hated that Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) She wrote the S5 fall finale (Secret Santa); She uses a lot of subtext in her writing which has suddenly reappeared this season to further enhance the Hawley rewind agenda from earlier seasons. This is no time for subtext, I'm not saying good subtext doesn't have it's place but not in this case, they should be talking directly to each other as husband and wife. I grew to loathe the so called "subtext" that Marlowe employed almost constantly because it tended to be more of case of notext and I didn't have a clue what I should be thinking about the character's motivations it was all pure guesswork. An over reliance on (bad) subtext signals to me they don't want you to know what the characters might be thinking so they can easily move the goal posts later on, Edited October 19, 2015 by verdana 1 Link to comment
VinceW October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Hmmm. She wrote the scene where Castle confronts Beckett with her lie about working Christmas....She owned up to it immediately and he understood. Then she gets Karpowski to cover for her and goes to the loft, where he's just about to leave to join her at the precinct. I loved that scene. There must a point there somewhere; I merely stated that she wrote another fall finale and she uses subtext a lot. She is an EP pushing the show runner agenda for the cause which doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season after fall hiatus. IMHO Edited October 19, 2015 by VinceW Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) She also wrote the geisha attacking Castle scene. Hated that Awful and also the "smurf Alexis" scene which was a big WTF moment for me when she's raiding the fridge for food and then to cap it all when she's being her most obnoxious during the Pi arc. Edited October 19, 2015 by verdana 1 Link to comment
KaveDweller October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 The "smurf Alexis" scene is from the Bigfoot episode, right? I loved the bedroom scene with Caskett talking before Alexis interrupts them. It's really hard to predict how an episode will be based just on the writer....most of them have good and bad moments. Link to comment
VinceW October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 The "smurf Alexis" scene is from the Bigfoot episode, right? I loved the bedroom scene with Caskett talking before Alexis interrupts them. It's really hard to predict how an episode will be based just on the writer....most of them have good and bad moments. In an early season interview, Hawley reported about a meeting with the writers over the bible for the season. Whatever Roum has written will follow that agenda. On the positive side, the episode should give viewers some insight into what TPWinter has said during interviews is the purpose behind the separation unless it just turns out more WTWT which will not be good for ratings going forward after fall hiatus, but maybe they just don't care. Link to comment
verdana October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Castle @Castle_ABC 53m53 minutes ago There's tension brewing between Espo and Ryan. Find out why on an all-new #Castle tonight at 10|9c. https://twitter.com/Castle_ABC/status/656207703384158208 Seriously I've had enough tension already lol. I wonder if it's over the Sergeant's exam again? Or does Espo find out Ryan is taking cash from Castle? Edited October 19, 2015 by verdana Link to comment
CastleSeason8 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Seriously I've had enough tension already lol. I wonder if it's over the Sergeant's exam again? Or does Espo find out Ryan is taking cash from Castle? Oh good. More relationship angst Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 ... but maybe they just don't care. Bam! said the lady (<-that's a Nathan Fillion thing). Spot on. It's a little like politics, I think. Politicians have a certain base that never leaves. They know that they can stretch the confidence of these people to target other constituencies and the loyal base will put up with it and come back for more. Once in awhile they throw a little red meat to the base which laps it up. I think that type of thing has been going on here for quite some time, since Season 5, but this year, they crossed a line. Time to heap on that red meat. By the time they really do it, it may be too little too late. Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Seriously I've had enough tension already lol. I wonder if it's over the Sergeant's exam again? Or does Espo find out Ryan is taking cash from Castle? I really think they should have made the Castle Beckett romance into a joke from Day 1, Season 1, so the puppy dog crap wouldn't happen. I love Ry-Esp breakups, ha. Please don't make it over anything serious like the bribery. Link to comment
VinceW October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Bam! said the lady (<-that's a Nathan Fillion thing). Spot on. It's a little like politics, I think. Politicians have a certain base that never leaves. They know that they can stretch the confidence of these people to target other constituencies and the loyal base will put up with it and come back for more. Once in awhile they throw a little red meat to the base which laps it up. I think that type of thing has been going on here for quite some time, since Season 5, but this year, they crossed a line. Time to heap on that red meat. By the time they really do it, it may be too little too late. Not a little politics. When a show runner asks his audience from the beginning to just wait until the last episode before hiatus to find out what the story path will be is just pure politics and insulting to intelligent, logical thinking viewers who are not the low information voters that politicians assume are their voting base. Marlowe was a bad politician, but the new guys are much better. The show is only four episodes into the season, but the growing viewer discontent over the story line is such that you wonder if the show can survive the almost three month extended hiatus upcoming after November sweeps. The show is running on fumes right now extending viewer loyalty to maximum levels because the whole ‘win her back’ story is just too ridiculous to follow. The season will go sideways if Castle doesn’t learn the truth very soon...... Edited October 19, 2015 by VinceW 1 Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Not a little politics. Marlowe was a bad politician, but the new guys are much better. The show is only four episodes into the season, but the growing viewer discontent over the story line is such that you wonder if the show can survive the almost three month extended hiatus upcoming after November sweeps. The show is running on fumes right now extending viewer loyalty to maximum levels because the whole ‘win her back’ story is just too ridiculous to follow. The season will go sideways if Castle doesn’t learn the truth very soon...... For me, that makes the "Dynamic Duo" worse politicians than Marlowe. A skilled politician knows how to keep their base. Link to comment
femmefan1946 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 It's a little like politics, I think. Politicians have a certain base that never leaves. Please-- we Canadians have an election today and this is all too close to the bone. I voted the Throw the Bastards Out ticket. (Well, actually for my sitting Member who has an excellent track record both here in Victoria and in the House.) Maybe in 2023 Castle can get the same Only after the Firefly reboot. 1 Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Does no one have new ideas anymore? All I keep hearing about are reboots of old series. Hey, in the heavily derivative world of TV, at least the people who blatantly extend the old series' tacitly admit to their lack of ideas ;-). Link to comment
femmefan1946 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Beckett in a coma cause she actually got shot in the premier At least as good as the 'off her meds' scenario that I have been using to keep me from sticking pins in my Barbie!Beckett doll. 2 Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) It's a little like politics, I think. Politicians have a certain base that never leaves. Please-- we Canadians have an election today and this is all too close to the bone. I voted the Throw the Bastards Out ticket. (Well, actually for my sitting Member who has an excellent track record both here in Victoria and in the House.) Maybe in 2023 Castle can get the same Only after the Firefly reboot. I hear that Castle is pre-empted today for elections, so you can join my no-watch party!....no, I'll probably watch depending on what I find out here about the degree of episode awfulness (in other words, it's a typical Castle Monday!). Firefly reboot will definitely be on Vimeo! Edited October 19, 2015 by TVWithPity Link to comment
BellyLaughter October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Firefly reboot will definitely be on Vimeo! And each episode will take 6 months to load ;) 1 Link to comment
VinceW October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) For me, that makes the "Dynamic Duo" worse politicians than Marlowe. A skilled politician knows how to keep their base. When a show runner asks his audience from the beginning to just wait until the last episode before hiatus to find out what the story path will be is just pure politics and insulting to intelligent, logical thinking viewers who are not the low information voters that politicians assume are their voting base. Marlowe was a bad wordsmith and not so much a bad politician, but the new guys are much better. Not until after fall hiatus will we know how many of the current viewership are low information voters. Edited October 20, 2015 by VinceW Link to comment
TWP October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) When a show runner asks his audience from the beginning to just wait until the last episode before hiatus to find out what the story path will be is just pure politics and insulting to intelligent, logical thinking viewers who are not the low information voters that politicians assume are their voting base. Marlowe was a bad wordsmith and not so much a bad politician, but the new guys are much better. Not until after fall hiatus will we know how much of the current viewership are low information voters. I don't want to delve quite so much into the political analogy. But I do think the showrunners are disregarding their core base of fans and doing so at their peril. And the word I can think of to sum up their reasoning is hubris. Edited October 19, 2015 by TVWithPity 1 Link to comment
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