S07.E05: Meme Is Murder

[WendyCR72]

Let's get back to discussing "Meme Is Murder" here, folks! Thanks. If you want to discuss the "is it or isn't it a procedural", use the past seasons thread. Thanks.

[sinkwriter]

Short though it was, I got such a kick out of Martha mother-henning Castle at the beginning. You just know if he'd ever had any interest in acting, she would have been the ultimate Stage Mom. (And driven him crazy. LOL.)

[KaveDweller]

Thanks! I was wondering the same thing. Saw her in the jacket, Havi was in a henley, Ryan in shirt and tie, then it seemed like everyone but Ryan was in the same outfit and it was the next day. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to notice it was the same night!

 

I think Ryan just took off his jacket at one point.  And the lighting looked weird, so the coloring seemed off.  But everyone else was definitely in the same outfit the whole time.  The last scene where Beckett was putting the pictures away was the next morning, but it looks like they were at the precinct all night dealing with whatever cops have to deal with after catching a serial killer and saving people's lives with seconds to spare.

 

You misunderstood me. I meant on most cop shows, if not all. I was complimenting the scene.

 

Ah, okay.  Sorry about that.

 

I did like Castle giving a frustrated Beckett a hug at the loft (don't think she would let many people do that when she's in that sort of mood actually) and I laughed when she gave him a little push to get out of the hug to vent some more heh.

 

That last couple episodes have had a lot of Castle iniated physical contact.  Not super huge gestures, but little things like the hug.  It's been nice.

 

Oh, and I feel there was a message to fandom somewhere when they said it's easy to draw the wrong conclusions from a picture and you can't really judge from a picture, absent context... ;)

 

Oh, most definitely.

[Elysium1973]

There was something Glenn Gordon Caron (the creator of Moonlighting) said once and I think it makes a whole lot of sense: "we're writing a boy/girl detective show" and "it's a comedy and a drama and a procedural, but at the end of the day it's about boy meets girl".

Sorry @Wendy, last thing I'll say. And @Hal...well, you know. ;)

[verdana]

He belongs to the school of delayed gratification. ;)  The school of "the less I show you, the more I keep you hanging, the more you'll want it". ;) 

 

Castle is a retro show and AM also strikes me as an old-fashioned storyteller.  

I agree with you and as far as he's concerned it works like a charm. Marlowe doesn't strike me as particularly forward thinking and any kind of risk taker in his approach to storytelling, he's got a formula that works and he duly flogs it to death.

 

As for the Castle web-mercial.... the clip itself was kind of funny as were the reactions of the fam (loved how they all skipped their way to the TV!)... but as I was watching it, I couldn't ignore the fact that in reality, Castle really would have seen the final edit and approved it before sending out to the world wide web.  And count me in as one of those who think they go too much to the laughing at Castle well too often and it's not balanced out well with his smooth, suave and sophisticated side that was just as prominent in the early days.  I understand taking his ego down a notch and giving him a kick in the nuts from time to time, but now it seems like his fame and status is mostly used to mock him.  And it feels like he's the only one who is ever really laughed at.  Not Beckett, not Alexis, not Espo.  Ryan, occasionally.  One thing I like about Castle is that I guess he would bounce back from this dent to his ego fairly quickly and he could have the last laugh if going viral in this way results in crazy book sales.  But they never really touch on his resilience and optimism in his character in that way.

 

 

Sorry but I really loathed that final scene with the "web-mercial" in every way I didn't laugh once, just squirmed in embarrassment. Humor is a very subjective so if others enjoyed it (which was presumably the whole idea of it) then good for them but I'm fed up of the writers falling back on making Castle looking clueless in this way. It's like the tiresome interruptions they keep doing, it's as if they don't know when enough is enough. He's the butt of every joke now and that's not a healthy dynamic to have, it's all about maintaining a balance. And I hear some say oh well he needs his  big ego kicked into touch, well I disagree. What had he done in this case that was so egotistical and obnoxious that I needed to see him made a fool of and brought down in this case?  I admit he could be a jerk in the earlier seasons THEN bringing him back down to earth worked because he obviously needed it but not now the guy is face down on the floor already he can't get any lower, so making him the constant butt of juvenile crass jokes and situations like this is not working for me at all.

 

And on the practical side as others have pointed out who on earth would allow that to be released? It would hardly encourage me to buy his books, if I was in Castle's position I would be furious and thinking of finding a new publisher. 

 

ETA: I wasn't a big fan of Stana's hairstyle in this episode.  The parting looked a bit odd.  Is it me or is her hair looking different in each episode?  I am not a good observer of these things...

 

 

I found her hair has looked a bit flat and lank in the last few episodes.

Edited October 28, 2014 by verdana

[femmefan1946]

The webmercial didn't make sense to me. The one Castle was filming at the top of the show was pretty bad, and why is it that TV shows can't produce a decent commercial when one is needed dramatically, certainly it would never sell any books.

Also very low budget for one of Black Pawn's best moneymakers.

But the webmercial we saw would only make sense if the boring commercial had been put on the Black Pawn website and then parodied and outtakes added on some other website for the lulz. Or since the 'funny' commercial was on the BP site, uploaded  by some disaffected BP staffer.

 

I guess that TV writers don't come out of advertising, unlike directors.

[verdana]

That's pretty much his entire personality at this point.

 

That of a bumbling fool, yeah pretty much and it never used to be that way.  He wasn't bumbling, he could make stupid mistakes and be goofy and a bit dorky at times but I never thought he was clueless, confused or out of touch and literally stumbling around. But I sense Nathan enjoys playing this side up of Castle (the physical comedy aspect suits him as an actor) as does the humor and this ties in with the direction the showrunner wants to go too, it's a lethal combination. 

[verdana]

Creating a web commercial like this just seems like they wanted to do something silly to Castle that everyone would laugh at, regardless of whether or not it makes sense. What happened to the guy who corrected everyone's grammar and bitched when a case was "boring" because it takes the easy "whodunnit" solution rather than how he would have written it?

 

Sadly they seem to have forgotten that version of Richard Castle ever existed, watching him in that scene it was almost impossible for me to reconcile that guy with the one back in the day when he was out there promoting his books. He referred to "Castle 2.0" when speaking to Beckett about something and I thought that's true enough because his character has been given a reboot. 

[sinkwriter]

What might have been more interesting is to see if he'd choose to promote his books differently now that he and Beckett have a relationship. The last time we saw him actively promote his books, he was surrounded by scantily clad models dressed as cops, getting his picture taken in the squad room. I wonder if he would get pressure from his agent or the book company to keep up the suave author persona and how he might try to balance that with his relationship with Beckett. Would he fight his publisher or try to tell Beckett that it's only for media marketing? It annoyed Beckett when he did it back then (possibly because she was jealous but didn't want to admit it); would it bother her anymore or would she simply find it juvenile and ridiculous?

[McManda]

My question: Have they done something to Beckett's (Stana's?) appearance? I know that the hair is shorter, but she looked (to me) very differentcompared to the 2 earlier eps this year. Is it the hair style, lighting, makeup wardrobe (as some have mentioned) or is it just me not keeping up week to week?

 

I think it's more than just taking out the extensions. I think this week her hair was just ... flat. And maybe kind of dull. Not in a bad way necessarily, but just not overly styled. There didn't seem to be as much volume as usual and I think that made her face look drawn. It's not my favorite style, certainly.

[Heathrowe99]

Fillion is looking great, I think. Whatever was ailing him the last few seasons seems to be cleared up-he looks much trimmer and his face looks leaner also. I'm glad, as I thought he looked unwell for a while there.

[verdana]

Castle: Meme is Murder – A Good Cop/Bad Cop Review by Lee Lofland.

 

If you want to know what information is in your digital images, Lee provides a link.

 

Of course, the guys were on the money with their photo geo-tagging information. Please take a moment to click over and read what nationally renowned cyber-crimes expert Josh Moulin has to say about the topic .

 

And although I didn't go much on what I thought was a pretty clichéd cop interrogation scene with Beckett, Lee said it was what you might hear in any real police interview and she said exactly what needed to be said to get the guy to confess. 

 

Someone mentioned the actor playing ex-detective, Bill Garrett and how good he was and pity he couldn't stick around and Lee thought the part he played was fantastic and really added something to the episode and it's very true to life, cops find it difficult to let go and miss that world once they retire. 

[verdana]

What might have been more interesting is to see if he'd choose to promote his books differently now that he and Beckett have a relationship. The last time we saw him actively promote his books, he was surrounded by scantily clad models dressed as cops, getting his picture taken in the squad room. I wonder if he would get pressure from his agent or the book company to keep up the suave author persona and how he might try to balance that with his relationship with Beckett. Would he fight his publisher or try to tell Beckett that it's only for media marketing? It annoyed Beckett when he did it back then (possibly because she was jealous but didn't want to admit it); would it bother her anymore or would she simply find it juvenile and ridiculous?

It's as if her being in a relationship with him makes zero difference when it should have had some repercussions for both of them, the dynamic has changed and there should have been stories told to reflect that. They could open up numerous interesting avenues to explore now when it comes to the promotional work and publicity for his books. In an interview last season Marlowe did tease about what would happen if his publishers wanted to keep that "suave author persona" going you speak but they never dealt with it. Unless Limelight was meant to do that but it failed miserably in my view.

[verdana]

I like the tech person okay (Tory?), but I don't want to see her scenes increase at the cost of scenes with Lanie. 

The main problem I have with Tory is that the writers are so inconsistent with how they use her, this latest episode was a prime example of that. She's meant to be the tech person I gather but Ryan was the one looking at the printer and they switched between Ryan and her a few times during the course of the episode and it further emphasizes how she's not needed because Ryan can do her job just as well and has in fact been doing so for ages. And even when they try and introduce some little bit of back story for her I still don't care, may be she's kept around so Seamus could have some free time.

Edited October 29, 2014 by verdana

[KaveDweller]

The main problem I have with Tory is that the writers are so inconsistent with how they use her, this latest episode was a prime example of that. She's meant to be the tech person I gather but Ryan was the one looking at the printer and they switched between Ryan and her a few times during the course of the episode and it further emphasizes how she's not needed because Ryan can do her job just as well and has in fact been doing so for ages.

 

Ryan doesn't do her job though.  He's a detective, she's an IT person, they are completely different positions.  Sometimes Ryan does things that are tech related because the case calls for it (like using a 3D printer), but he doesn't know how to uncover erased data from people's computers or hack into things, or anything like that.  I can't remember him ever showing that kind of skill.. Tory is support for the detectives when they need tech help.   In early seasons they always talked about sending victim's computer to tech to analyze, now we just get to see someone in tech.  Sometimes the help is less tech-y than others (like analyzing the photos in this episode), but I think that has to do with bandwidth of the detective team.  There's always a little overlap in jobs.

 

Am I really the only one who likes her?

Edited October 29, 2014 by KaveDweller

[McManda]

I'm indifferent to Tory, honestly.

 

I'd disagree that Ryan doesn't do her job, though. In the real world sure - she'd be the tech person and he'd be strictly the detective - but before she came along he was always the tech savvy guy - the one pulling and scrubbing video, finding locations, analyzing photos - all the basic stuff that Tory does now. In fact, wasn't there a joke (in S2?) where they're doing techy stuff with a witness and Espo makes the crack - "explain that again? ... for my partner" - when we all knew full well Ryan new exactly what was going on and the explanation was all for Espo's benefit.

 

(Season 2, episode 10: One Man's Treasure)

FORENSIC IT GUY:  This guy was good. He was running a secret e-mail client from inside a hidden partition in his hard drive.

ESPOSITO: English. For my partner here.

FORENSIC IT GUY: He set things up so that he could send e-mails outside the company network in case anyone ever came snooping.

 

 

 

Of course, it's also established that Ryan's always had contacts in tech, too ... so maybe he's just interested and likes to dabble.

 

Season 3, episode 20: Slice of Death

CASTLE: Great. Listen, if I gave you a website, could you have your friends at tech attack and take some pictures down?

RYAN:Did someone find naked pictures of you again?

CASTLE:Not me, it’s Alexis. (quickly) It’s for Alexis.

RYAN: This just got awkward. What’s this about?

CASTLE: Okay, mean girl at school kiss ambushed Alexis’ boyfriend and posted photographic proof on her website. Alexis…very upset.

RYAN: Hmm… I-I’m gonna have my friend Tony take care of it off the record.

[moodyblue]

Am I really the only one who likes her?

I usually have no problem with Tori or with the actress that plays her. I think it makes sense to have a reoccurring character who deals only with the tech side of the cases, especially since we live in such a digital world and the cases reflect that. I just found her acting a little flat last night, particularly when they were all talking about renting their apartments out to strangers.

Edited October 29, 2014 by moodyblue

[KaveDweller]

I'd disagree that Ryan doesn't do her job, though. In the real world sure - she'd be the tech person and he'd be strictly the detective - but before she came along he was always the tech savvy guy - the one pulling and scrubbing video, finding locations, analyzing photos - all the basic stuff that Tory does now.

 

There is a difference between being tech-savvy and being an actual developer/programmer person though.  I say this as a tech-savvy person who works with a lot of web developers.  There is a definite need for someone with those extra skills.

 

I remember Ryan doing things like going through video and researching online, but not having all the skills that an IT person would have. But like I said, I think there is definitely some overlap, which happens in most jobs.  In certain cases they may not need her help and in others they bring her in, either because of the technical difficulty or the amount of work needed.  And it also lets Ryan not be the low guy on the totem pole doing grunt work.

 

Also, I wonder if someone in a job like Tory would have gone through the police academy or if they get hired through some other stream?

 

 

 

particularly when they were all talking about renting their apartments out to strangers.

 

Her line reading there was definitely not the best.  It didn't have the right tone for admitting that she has actually done the renting out.

Edited October 29, 2014 by KaveDweller

[FlickerToAFlame]

You know how Stana likes to post random pictures that later end up being hints to the show? Were they filming this episode when she created, then quickly deleted, an Instagram page? If so, that's pretty genius trolling (especially since some fans got on pedestals and blamed other fans for scaring her off it).

[sinkwriter]

 

I TOTALLY agree the guy playing the retired detective did a bang-up job. You got just a guy who is so WEARY and has lived a thousand lifetimes.

 

If you haven't seen it, you really need to see David Marciano in a show called Due South. He played a smart-ass Chicago cop who gets paired up with a highly well-mannered Canadian mountie played by Paul Gross. Complete opposites they were, but pure comedy gold. And he got to do some serious episode work on that show as well, which was wonderful. I've never forgotten his voice or his face ever since. He brings good quality to the roles he plays. I was delighted to see him pop up here on Castle and not end up being the bad guy.  *GRIN*

[shapeshifter]

...Sorry but I really loathed that final scene with the "web-mercial" in every way I didn't laugh once, just squirmed in embarrassment. Humor is a very subjective so if others enjoyed it (which was presumably the whole idea of it) then good for them....

I reacted pretty much the same way, but then most "humor" makes me feel that way. (Maybe both of us were slightly tortured by bigger kids when we were young.) But what made the webmercial bearable for me was that in everything I've seen Nathan Fillion do--both scripted and live interviews--he really seems to enjoy having people laugh at him. He does some really silly physical comedy during interviews, and at the same time is still endearing.

[WendyCR72]

Ah, Due South...awesome show. And Paul Gross was so very handsome in that Mountie uniform. (And was still eye candy a decade later, albeit less proper, in Slings & Arrows, a series I highly recommend!) Sigh.

...what? :-)

[sinkwriter]

I have always wanted to see Slings & Arrows, WendyCR72! I read such good things about it. 

 

(And yeah, joining you on admiring Paul Gross in his Mountie uniform - the red one and the less formal brown one. Sigh, indeed. LOL)

 

And now I'm hearing him say, "Thank you kindly."  Heeeee.

[WendyCR72]

I have always wanted to see Slings & Arrows, WendyCR72! I read such good things about it. 

 

(And yeah, joining you on admiring Paul Gross in his Mountie uniform - the red one and the less formal brown one. Sigh, indeed. LOL)

 

And now I'm hearing him say, "Thank you kindly."  Heeeee.

 

This will be my last OT post, as I must practice what I preach, but you have to see Slings & Arrows, sinkwriter, especially if you're a theater buff. And, if not? The series is still fabulous, and short, and I think you'd love it! (It also has a pre-fame Rachel McAdams in the first season.)

[sinkwriter]

I am a theatre buff, actually, which is partly why that series sounded like it would appeal to me (along with the fact that Mr. Paul Gross would be starring in it, of course). I'll definitely do my best to track it down and watch it.

 

Speaking of theatre, I wish we'd see more of Martha doing her theatre stuff again. We got a little taste of it with the humor of her trying to get Castle ready for his camera appearance, but I want more! She can be so funny. And I'd love to see her try to rope Beckett into running lines with her. LOL.

[verdana]

Orlando Machado Jr @machetecuts  ·  3 hrs 3 hours ago

Most of the #Castle goofs in the webmercial - including #CrichardRachle - were on-the-spot rapid-fire ad-lib from @NathanFillion. #gifted

 

Not surprised by that reveal in any way, I'm sure Nathan had a ball but sorry Nathan I really don't like it for Castle as a character. 

 

Loved Due South, that Mountie uniform... joining in with the sighs.

 

Ryan doesn't do her job though.  He's a detective, she's an IT person, they are completely different positions.

 

 

It doesn't feel that way to me though speaking very much as a non tech person, Ryan was always the "tech" guy on the show I liked to imagine it was either because he had the experience or was just really into it so he was the natural person to get involved on the team. In real life I'm sure things would be different and Ryan would not be involved in half the things we see him doing but the constant back and forth between them is a constant reminder they seem to have two "tech" people on the show when they used to have only Ryan. And I have far more time invested in Ryan than I do Tory so she's on a losing wicket. May be if she was less wooden in her delivery and not so scary eyed I could enjoy the character being around. 

 

 

 

 

[madmaverick]

Short though it was, I got such a kick out of Martha mother-henning Castle at the beginning. You just know if he'd ever had any interest in acting, she would have been the ultimate Stage Mom. (And driven him crazy. LOL.)

 

 

True that heh.  Too bad we didn't see her driving Beckett crazy when she 'directed' her in TLOO 'cause you know she would have.

 

I enjoyed that Castle/Martha scene.  What did Martha say exactly about Castle's jacket?  Couldn't quite catch it.  I want to know to see if she was channeling my inner Luke critic heh.  Granted, it wasn't his worst choice ever, but it didn't exactly say suave, sexy author either (if they were still trying to target the ladies ;)).

 

And let me just tell you, as someone who has worked in publishing, there is no way an author as famous and with as much power as Castle, would not have seen that before it was released. If he were a real author, heads would have been rolling.

 

Absolutely.  But in Castle's world, he probably would have been harangued by Gina/Paula because they won't even let him be the boss with his own team. ;)

 

Agree that the world weary cop was a standout guest actor.  

 

I think there's a pic of Nathan in a Mountie uniform out in cyberspace somewhere.

[verdana]

I reacted pretty much the same way, but then most "humor" makes me feel that way. (Maybe both of us were slightly tortured by bigger kids when we were young.) But what made the webmercial bearable for me was that in everything I've seen Nathan Fillion do--both scripted and live interviews--he really seems to enjoy having people laugh at him. He does some really silly physical comedy during interviews, and at the same time is still endearing.

I'm sure Nathan does, he certainly gives me that impression when I watch him in interviews and at cons, he loves to be loved and entertain people and make them laugh and be happy. He's brighten up any room he was in with his sheer presence. I think he's more at home though doing this than the strict romantic lead stuff but that's what he's meant to be doing on this show - the romantic male lead in this "love story" Marlowe talks about - so having him laughed at can fall flat after a while especially if they overplay the comedic side and don't balance it with more serious, reflective and romantic moments from Castle as a man. 

 

He needs to be seen to "win" more often as a character if that makes sense and I don't find he comes over as a winner that often. He's the guy belittled for doing or saying something foolish or made the butt of the joke constantly by everyone and since when did Castle become so physically clumsy? Him toppling the books over made me groan that makes it infinitely worse because I've never found that kind of physical humor played out in that way funny.  

 

I thought they got a great balance at the start of the comedic/light hearted/joyous side to Richard Castle (which is a vitally important part of the show and character I don't deny that) and the more serious/contemplative side to Castle and that seems to have gone away. Almost everything where Castle is concerned (except in the super dramatic signposted episodes) is played up for comedy whenever possible and they need to scale back on the more slapstick humor they increasingly use and seemingly encourage Fillion to do now to get a quick easy laugh.  

[verdana]

I think there's a pic of Nathan in a Mountie uniform out in cyberspace somewhere.

Put in Nathan Fillion and Mountie into good old Google and got this.

 

And strictly for comparison purposes only. 

Edited October 29, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

 

I enjoyed that Castle/Martha scene.  What did Martha say exactly about Castle's jacket?  Couldn't quite catch it.  I want to know to see if she was channeling my inner Luke critic heh.  Granted, it wasn't his worst choice ever, but it didn't exactly say suave, sexy author either (if they were still trying to target the ladies ;)).

I like to think she was. 

 

She didn't get as far as telling him what she thought of the jacket as I recall, she said "what about this jacket dear did you choose (makes face) because.." then he cuts her off Susan does say something silently but I'm not a lip reader.

 

I love Susan Sullivan, her talents are wasted on this show and her scenes with Fillion are wonderful to behold even when they're doing nothing much with her at all. She does the best she can with very slender pickings. I love their chemistry together.  

[madmaverick]

Hm... thanks for the lovely visuals, verdana. 

 

Nathan is great at playing the physical comedy of a bumbling guy, but I thought he was just as good at playing the smooth, suave, a little smarmy ladies man at the beginning.  And in Firefly, as Capt. Malcolm Reyonolds, he certainly wasn't much of a bumbling guy.  I do hope the writers write first and foremost from the place of character rather than thinking what the actor might do well (though really in the case of Castle, I think the actors could handle anything the writers throw at them).  It's not that they shouldn't play to the actor's strengths, but that shouldn't be at the expense of character.

 

Castle does seem to get "wins" when he's solving clues at the precinct... I'd like to see him get some "wins" elsewhere too, in his personal relationships.  Maybe not so much wins, but getting some actual or subtextual praise and appreciation from those close to him once in a while would be nice.  It would be a refreshing change from the usual verbal smackdowns that happen without blinking.

 

She didn't get as far as telling him what she thought of the jacket as I recall, she said "what about this jacket dear did you choose (makes face) because.." then he cuts her off Susan does say something silently but I'm not a lip reader.

 

Thanks.  It seemed as if she was unsure about the jacket...  Too much to hope for a meta moment where she tells him to take off that jacket because it makes him look like an old man? ;)    To be fair, it wasn't terrible but it wasn't webmercial fantastic either heh.  Nathan does look better this season but I think it's more down to him being fitter than the wardrobe. 

Edited October 29, 2014 by madmaverick

[verdana]

Castle does seem to get "wins" when he's solving clues at the precinct... I'd like to see him get some "wins" elsewhere too, in his personal relationships.  Maybe not so much wins, but getting some actual or subtextual praise and appreciation from those close to him once in a while would be nice.  It would be a refreshing change from the usual verbal smackdowns that happen without blinking.

 

This episode did a good job of showing off his intelligence on the case I admit but I agree about "wins" on the personal side, they are few and far between. I wish he would stand up for himself a bit more when he gets it in the neck. He's usually portrayed as the one in the wrong or on the losing side of any argument and he's often sorry when he has nothing to apologise for, there are times when it's like watching an hyperactive puppy getting kicked. 

[tracyhmcd]

Add me to the list of people glad to see David Marciano, and glad to see he wasn't the bad guy. ABC, if you are listening, I'd watch him in a series!

[mbutterfly]

That of a bumbling fool, yeah pretty much and it never used to be that way.  He wasn't bumbling, he could make stupid mistakes and be goofy and a bit dorky at times but I never thought he was clueless, confused or out of touch and literally stumbling around. But I sense Nathan enjoys playing this side up of Castle (the physical comedy aspect suits him as an actor) as does the humor and this ties in with the direction the showrunner wants to go too, it's a lethal combination. 

I agree. In earlier shows they used Nathan's dorky schtick to make you forget he was good at solving mysteries. You underrated his contribution (as did others) and then the surprise was, he was onto something. It was an effective bit that probably wouldn't have become tiresome if used differently in different scripts. But to make him  a dork-without-redemption doesn't work well for me. 

[jhlipton]

I, for one, am glad that none of the cast were targeted by the killer.  I hate the "This time it's personal!!!" meme -- they should be invested in catching the guy because it's their job, not because of personal issues.

[writingdreamer]

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet, but it really bugged me what the Netslayer said about the fact that people were essentially voting which brother to kill off at the end.  I know we've got trolls and people who say mean things, I know there's cyber bullying, but I have a really hard time believing that if someone was posting pictures of people who looked dead, that other people would follow that!  I'm not sure if they were trying to have a moral in the episode, but it just really bugged me and I wanted to speak up and say that most of us wouldn't do that, at least I don't believe so.