Castle By The Numbers: The Ratings Thread!

[TWP]

With all the negativity out there, Im surprised they've got the ratings they have

Ha, that means we internet fans are probably just a small faction.

[CastleSeason8]

Ha, that means we internet fans are probably just a small faction.

I suppose you are right. I find the ones on twitter, etc that are positive seem to be "fangirl" types (jmo) and if their audience is older, Im still kind of surprised people are sticking around. But, i dont pretend to know how any of this works

[verdana]

I do realise that what gets the crowd jumping on tumblr, twitter, fan forums etc isn't necessarily reflected with the general audience, that's a completely different beast. 

 

I don't know any casual viewers myself so I don't have a clue what they're thinking or even if they give it much thought at all and just sit themselves down and watch regardless out of sheer habit. 

 

I have seen other fans who have family/friends that watch casually say they are confused and irritated by this separation and they don't understand why Beckett left him but will that be enough to cause those kind of viewers to move on? Guess it depends how long this drags on for and if something else takes their fancy to watch.

Edited October 14, 2015 by verdana

[TWP]

TVGrimReaper posted a comparison of Live+Same Day and the "C(ommercial)3" ratings, the latter of which is used by the advertisers to establish advertising rates.  The important point is while the numbers change a little, the trends remain largely the same.  Thus L+SD is a good metric for determining renewal/cancellation.  At minimum, the metric has served the TVGrimReaper's (was CancelBear) predictions well, with 95% accuracy.  It's not the size of your rating that matters for renew/cancellation, it's where you fall in the ranking  on your own network (with a few other factors involved, like who owns the show and its proximity to syndication.).

 

http://www.tvgrimreaper.com/2015/10/14/c3-commercial-ratings-vs-livesame-day-program-ratings-from-week-1-do-they-change-the-prediction-picture/479/

[verdana]

Broadcast Live +7 ratings, week 2: 'The Blacklist' premiere joins 'Empire' and 'Blindspot' atop the charts

[TWP]

Broadcast Live +7 ratings, week 2: 'The Blacklist' premiere joins 'Empire' and 'Blindspot' atop the charts

It's bragging right.  It means nothing to show renewal.  C3 which trends about the same as Live+SD is the only important measure.

 

If more people are DVR'ing, that is a BAD thing for advertisers/renewal.

[Chado]

Here are the early ratings

Monday 10/19/15 Prelim Ratings

Demo/Viewers
#Blindspot  2.1 –  7.84M
#NCISLA 1.3  –8.74M
#Castle  1.1 – 6.94M

 

If ABC move Castle away from DWTS and gave it to a show that could benefit from its lead-in....Castle would die straight away imo

 

DWTS pulled 12.63m viewers? Castle can't even keep 55% of them. Another show better suited to DWTS viewers would dominate Monday nights imo, it certainly wouldn't come in 3rd.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Chado

[Tim]

Week of     
               Top 25   18-34   25-54   18-49     Viewers
    
21-Sep    1.2          0.7       1.6      1.2           7.09
28-Sep    1.2          1 2.      1         1.6           7.76
5-Oct       1.1          0.7       1.8      1.3           7.33
12-Oct     1.1          0.7       1.7      1.2           7.31
19-Oct                    0.6       1.7      1.1           6.94
26-Oct    No New Show
2-Nov     No New Show
9-Nov     Cool Boys
16-Nov    Ep 7
23-Nov    Ep 8
Break till Feb or ??????    
    
Castle ABC 2.89  Safe According to Spoiler TV

[Chado]

It isn't safe at all.

 

Even TV Grim Reaper keeps saying Castle is in trouble.

[verdana]

TV Ratings Monday: 'Blindspot' slips, 'Life in Pieces' rebounds and 'Castle' stays low at TVBTN

 

So steady but low with no sign they will be picking up, seems a 1.2/1.1 are as good as it's going to get for Castle. 

 

It will be interesting to see what a three week break and a Slaughter/Beckett-lite episode will do. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by verdana

[TWP]

It isn't safe at all.

 

Even TV Grim Reaper keeps saying Castle is in trouble.

Yes, SpoilerTV just doesn't have a category for the bubble.  And steady?  doesn't mean anything.  A car out of gas is "steady".

 

Castle and Nashville are both in huge danger, says a guy with about a 90-95% success rate at predicting (@TVGrimReaper)..

[westwingfan]

Week of     

               Top 25   18-34   25-54   18-49     Viewers

    

21-Sep    1.2          0.7       1.6      1.2           7.09

28-Sep    1.2          1 2.      1         1.6           7.76

5-Oct       1.1          0.7       1.8      1.3           7.33

12-Oct     1.1          0.7       1.7      1.2           7.31

19-Oct                    0.6       1.7      1.1           6.94

26-Oct    No New Show

2-Nov     No New Show

9-Nov     Cool Boys

16-Nov    Ep 7

23-Nov    Ep 8

Break till Feb or ??????    

    

Castle ABC 2.89  Safe According to Spoiler TV

Not wishing to put too much of a damper on your post but you seem to have used the EARLY numbers, the FINAL adjusted ratings were

 

8x01                       1.2/6.84M

8x02                       1.2/6.70M (Castle was preempted by a big football game which inflated the early numbers)

8x03                       1.2/6.76M ( preempted again by football)

8x04                       1.1/6.78M

 

The numbers might have been helped by a better performing DWTS this week, but expect the audience to drop a little when the finals are published for 8x05, not sure if the demo will hold but we could see another series low.

[verdana]

TV Grim Reaper ‏@TVGrimReaper  3h3 hours ago

#Castle ratings (1.1) have fallen and they can’t get up.

 

[Chado]

final ratings

 

Monday 10/19/15 Final Ratings
#Blindspot  2.1 –  7.82M
#NCISLA 1.3  – 8.77M
#Castle  1.1 – 6.67M

 

lowest total viewers for the season

Edited October 20, 2015 by Chado

[Tim]

Not wishing to put too much of a damper on your post but you seem to have used the EARLY numbers, the FINAL adjusted ratings were

 

8x01                       1.2/6.84M

8x02                       1.2/6.70M (Castle was preempted by a big football game which inflated the early numbers)

8x03                       1.2/6.76M ( preempted again by football)

8x04                       1.1/6.78M

 

The numbers might have been helped by a better performing DWTS this week, but expect the audience to drop a little when the finals are published for 8x05, not sure if the demo will hold but we could see another series low.

Not raining on me at all, I totally agree I think we are in trouble and in a post to Wendy earlier even stated that the way things are going Hawley will take care of Season 9 for all of us, there won't be one, 

[verdana]

Castle: Season Eight Ratings  at TV Series Finale 

          

                                        Demo  Change   Viewers   Change

Mon 09/21/2015  08-01  1.17 -46.68%†    6.840     -34.81%†
Mon 09/28/2015  08-02  1.19    1.62%      6.700       -2.05%
Mon 10/05/2015  08-03  1.21    1.68%      6.760        0.90%
Mon 10/12/2015  08-04  1.12   -7.92%      6.777        0.25%
Mon 10/19/2015  08-05  1.08   -2.87%      6.670       -1.58%

 

†Compared to last season's premiere.
 

Edited October 22, 2015 by verdana

[TWP]

Overheard at a Nielsen household:

 

9/21 1.17 -- uh, I think I'll hold off and see how this pans out. I'm not super keen on angsty two-parters.

9/28 1.19 -- well I need my Castle fix, so I'll tune in.  What? they broke up? Sh*t.

10/05 1.21 -- surely they'll get back together and the Casket moments will be juicey! We'd better watch.

10/12 -- 1.12 WTF is this.

10/19 -- 1.08 I've heard fart jokes, etc. I wonder how Blindspot is doing.

 

Only .04 to go before the rounding error rounds the rating down to 1.0.  How soon?  Maybe next time with the Firefly reunion. 

[pennben]

Sincere question...are folks rooting for cancellation?  I came into this season assuming it was the last, since only one-year deals were signed with the leads, but it seems as though some want it cancelled earlier.

[Thak]

No, I'm not rooting for cancellation, but the thought of the show being cancelled doesn't bother me anymore.

[GoGiants]

I'm not rooting for cancellation but will be just fine if S8 is the end. I had been assuming this would be the end for the reasons you mentioned.

Based on the 5 episodes of S8, I don't trust what they would come up with for S9. The damage to the show and characters has been immense, bordering on insurmountable. I do not want to see them come back for S9 and finish the job of blowing the show apart. Hoping for resolution and what I'm sure will be an unsatisfying ride off into the sunset at the end of S8. ;)

[TWP]

I think the showrunners are rooting for cancellation. They must be. And IMHO, what they've done to the show deserves cancellation. The reasoning for breakup was vacuous. It's an indefensible plotline. They owe the fans an apology for it.

[pennben]

Do you really believe that the showrunners are rooting for a cancellation?  I can't believe that to be true.

[WendyCR72]

While I don't believe any showrunner hopes for cancellation, I do think this is the show's last season since Alexi Hawley is already attached to a new project.

[pennben]

I can get behind that, primarily because the leads only signed one-year renewals for this year.  It feels like all involved knew this would be the last year.

Edited October 23, 2015 by pennben

[CastleSeason8]

Sincere question...are folks rooting for cancellation? I came into this season assuming it was the last, since only one-year deals were signed with the leads, but it seems as though some want it cancelled earlier.

There are 2 reasons i am. First, because i am afraid of what further damage can be done to these characters i once loved and secondly because i dont want it to go on without either lead. I highly doubt SK will return.

[Julia]

I think both the showrunners and their spotlight star want to continue to be paid to make television. I just think they're not at all interested in telling the story of Castle and Beckett, and they're not willing to tell the story of Castle and Beckett. I think it's kind of telling that the show they sold the network to get renewal didn't need Beckett in it, although I'm sure the network demanded that they use her if she agreed to come back.

 

I think that's been true for a while. And I think the show they want to make is kind of lame.

[westwingfan]

I think both the showrunners and their spotlight star want to continue to be paid to make television. I just think they're not at all interested in telling the story of Castle and Beckett, and they're not willing to tell the story of Castle and Beckett. I think it's kind of telling that the show they sold the network to get renewal didn't need Beckett in it, although I'm sure the network demanded that they use her if she agreed to come back.

 

I think that's been true for a while. And I think the show they want to make is kind of lame.

Until FBOW I had hoped the show would go on for a good few more seasons but that broke me viewing the show unconditionally, and not because Castle didn't make it to his wedding. I have watched S8 so far but I have no inclination to watch any of the episodes that have aired so far again, and so at the moment the S7 finale looks like becoming my SERIES finale.

Actually to be fair, if you could take out the separation, and the farcical way it is being portrayed, I would probably have a different opinion of S8, but that storyline is totally blighting my enjoyment of what else is going on, although I wish they could lose Alexis too.

Edited October 23, 2015 by westwingfan

[Chado]

Sincere question...are folks rooting for cancellation?  I came into this season assuming it was the last, since only one-year deals were signed with the leads, but it seems as though some want it cancelled earlier.

Let me preface this by saying I don't think there's any chance of a season 9, so a decline in ratings doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

....With that said, I'm actually finding it quite hilarious at the drop in ratings, mostly because I get to watch people try and defend it (the ratings) and the show in general. On Twitter you seem to get either people who pin the drop in ratings entirely on season 8, or you get people who completely ignore the impact Castle and Beckett broken up have on people wanting to stick around and viewers engaging with the show.

 

There's so many people out there who are absolutely certain there will be a season 9, and that season 8 is wonderful, and the show is healthy and in a good spot right now. I don't know what planet these people are living on, but it's enjoyable nonetheless.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Chado

[westwingfan]

Let me preface this by saying I don't think there's any chance of a season 9, so a decline in ratings doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

....With that said, I'm actually finding it quite hilarious at the drop in ratings, mostly because I get to watch people try and defend it (the ratings) and the show in general. On Twitter you seem to get either people who pin the drop in ratings entirely on season 8, or you get people who completely ignore the impact Castle and Beckett broken up have on people wanting to stick around and viewers engaging with the show.

 

There's so many people out there who are absolutely certain there will be a season 9, and that season 8 is wonderful, and the show is healthy and in a good spot right now. I don't know what planet these people are living on, but it's enjoyable nonetheless.

Maybe if we could get hold of whatever it is they are smoking we'd feel the same way. LOL.

[Thak]

 

I think both the showrunners and their spotlight star want to continue to be paid to make television. I just think they're not at all interested in telling the story of Castle and Beckett, and they're not willing to tell the story of Castle and Beckett. I think it's kind of telling that the show they sold the network to get renewal didn't need Beckett in it, although I'm sure the network demanded that they use her if she agreed to come back.

 

I think that's been true for a while. And I think the show they want to make is kind of lame.

 

I agree, and this is not a knock against the actor playing Castle, we all have our preferences.  I suspect the only cast member who is ok with the day to day love story is Stana Katic, she has spoken in the past that a married couple doesn't have to be boring.  However, it seems like comedy is going to rule the roost in all it's forms and the day to day of a love story isn't all that welcome. 

[Chado]

I agree, and this is not a knock against the actor playing Castle, we all have our preferences.  I suspect the only cast member who is ok with the day to day love story is Stana Katic, she has spoken in the past that a married couple doesn't have to be boring.  However, it seems like comedy is going to rule the roost in all it's forms and the day to day of a love story isn't all that welcome. 

From everything I've heard, it was Katic who wanted this to happen. I'm not saying break up specifically, but she wanted her character to have this type of storyline. She wanted more time off, her demands are causing some of what we are seeing right now.

 

Notice how she has been completely silent when it comes to the show and its direction since season 8 started? Notice how EVERYBODY has been interviewed and spoken about season 8 EXCEPT her. Why do you think that is? Have you seen Katic come out and say something similar to "are you high?" in response to the idea of breaking up Castle and Beckett? No you haven't. Her silence is telling. It's not her being a victim either, that's ridiculous.

 

This isn't me blaming SK for what's happening btw, but there's multiple sides at work to produce a successful show. To imply blame at the sole feet of NF for what is going on, is being....naive.

 

What she once was (a Caskett fan) doesn't necessarily mean she is now, unless you can show me where she's said so since season 8 started.

 

As for the Drama v Comedy comment. Katic wanted her character to have a significant storyline this season to deal with. Guess where most of the 'comedy' is directed to once she makes that demand? Castle.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Chado

[Sonik Tooth]

I think both the showrunners and their spotlight star want to continue to be paid to make television. I just think they're not at all interested in telling the story of Castle and Beckett, and they're not willing to tell the story of Castle and Beckett. I think it's kind of telling that the show they sold the network to get renewal didn't need Beckett in it, although I'm sure the network demanded that they use her if she agreed to come back.

I don't agree. These past episodes unfortunately dealt with Castle's and Beckett's story quite a lot. Under the guise of their new defined love story (lovers drawn apart by "obstacles"), we have Castle trying to investigate his way into Beckett's cases and heart again, multiple confessions of love to various people and objects, longing looks and teary eyes, and Beckett denying herself love to fight for justice.

 

Their story is all people are talking about. Only because it doesn't make any sense, doesn't mean it's not there. And the characters acting weird in a weird storyline about them might also influence the low ratings.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Sonik Tooth

[Julia]

I don't agree. These past episodes unfortunately dealt with Castle's and Beckett's story quite a lot. Under the guise of their new defined love story (lovers drawn apart by "obstacles"), we have Castle trying to investigate his way into Beckett's cases and heart again, multiple confessions of love to various people and objects, longing looks and teary eyes, and Beckett denying herself love to fight for justice.

 

Their story is all people are talking about. Only because it doesn't make any sense, doesn't mean it's not there. 

 

What I was referring to was the fact that the network announced the renewal for this season when Stana Katic had not yet signed on to return, so there was clearly (to me, anyway) a scenario planned where the show went forward without her.

 

I understand that she's in the current storyline, but they're not together, which is what it seems to me that Nathan Fillion has been pretty consistent about preferring not to show. 

[westwingfan]

I don't agree. These past episodes unfortunately dealt with Castle's and Beckett's story quite a lot. Under the guise of their new defined love story (lovers drawn apart by "obstacles"), we have Castle trying to investigate his way into Beckett's cases and heart again, multiple confessions of love to various people and objects, longing looks and teary eyes, and Beckett denying herself love to fight for justice.

 

Their story is all people are talking about. Only because it doesn't make any sense, doesn't mean it's not there. And the characters acting weird in a weird storyline about them might also influence the low ratings.

Here's a couple of quotes from the interview with TV Line on Sept 28, I think they are currently failing on both highlighted points, and as for "rooting for them" I think they have completely missed the mark

 

HAWLEY | Look, the most important thing for us is to A) tell a compelling dynamic story, but B) protect these characters. When we first started talking about doing this, the thing at the forefront was: How do we do it in a way that hopefully nobody gets mad at the characters?

HAWLEY | Just even sitting in the editing room working on the next couple episodes, I was happy to see that I was feeling the same way about that relationship that I used to, that it makes you lean forward and you’re rooting for them again. You want them to get back together and all that stuff, which is a much more dynamic thing than just “They’re happy” — which is of course our goal but at the same time it’s not as dramatically interesting as rooting for them.

[WendyCR72]

Just a reminder to not do the ol' Katic versus Fillion game here. Unless we work behind the scenes, we have no idea if Fillion, Katic, both, or neither helped to shape the arc into what it is.

 

With that reminder, carry on!

[CastleSeason8]

Here's a couple of quotes from the interview with TV Line on Sept 28, I think they are currently failing on both highlighted points, and as for "rooting for them" I think they have completely missed the mark

HAWLEY | Look, the most important thing for us is to A) tell a compelling dynamic story, but B) protect these characters. When we first started talking about doing this, the thing at the forefront was: How do we do it in a way that hopefully nobody gets mad at the characters?

HAWLEY | Just even sitting in the editing room working on the next couple episodes, I was happy to see that I was feeling the same way about that relationship that I used to, that it makes you lean forward and you’re rooting for them again. You want them to get back together and all that stuff, which is a much more dynamic thing than just “They’re happy” — which is of course our goal but at the same time it’s not as dramatically interesting as rooting for them.

Regarding their quotes: They have failed miserably on all fronts.

[WendyCR72]

Unless you're talking ratings in this thread, take showrunner talk to their thread. Thanks!

[Julia]

moved to showrunner thread

Edited October 23, 2015 by Julia

[verdana]

Broadcast Live +7 ratings, week 3: 'Quantico' more than doubles, 'Empire' and 'Blindspot' score biggest gains at TVBTN

[verdana]

Ratings vs. buzz: The early season report card by Marc Berman.

[Chado]

Here are the early ratings

 

Monday 10/26/15 Prelim Ratings

Demo/Viewers
#Blindspot  2.2 –  8.08M
#Scorpion 1.8 – 9.34M
#Castle  0.9 – 4.93M

 

Obviously Castle wasn't airing a new episode as we all know.

[verdana]

Final ratings 

 

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/10/27/monday-final-ratings-oct-26-2015/480757/

 

Castle 0.8/2 4.47

 

I see BlindSpot is dropping, getting near the 2 barrier.

Edited October 28, 2015 by verdana

[TWP]

Ratings have changed. My new-old favorite show Boston Legal was dumped with a pathetic 1.8 rating in 2008 (replaced by Castle). Nowadays, if a show gets 1.8 after 4 years, it's still considered a minor hit. The networks and advertisers continue to chase an audience that is leaving broadcast TV in droves, while all but ignoring the group (baby boom,etc.) that is still watching. If they continue in this fashion, ignoring and giving few choices to the ones who wish to stay, while increasingly courting the ones who want to leave anyway, what's going to happen to them?

(And Castle has pretty much been a microcosm of this. Instead of adult-friendly drama and sophisticated humor, we get paper-thin storylines and slapstick silliness to attract, what? 12 year olds? That isn't even an advertiser demo.)

Me, I've turned to old shows, which, of course means leaving broadcast TV also.

Really it's kind of a pivotal time, and I see the overlords choosing the wrong direction. I predict they'll realize what they've done when it's too late.

[CastleSeason8]

Some keep talking about Castle being this aging show and 6 mil viewers being alright. Less than 2 yrs ago they were pulling in 14-15 mil. 6 x 23 ruined those numbers, followed by the non explanation, less and less SK/NF shared scenes and finally S8 split and storyline/character assassinations. So unnecessary.

Longterm shows like SVU, Greys, Criminal Minds still pull in huge nos and have been on the air for 10+ years. Age has nothing to do with it. Quality and knowing ur audience does.

[verdana]

Ratings vs. buzz: The early season report card by Marc Berman.

I posted this link earlier and in the comments section I see Marc has mentioned Castle in response to a fan's question.

 

John Zucaro 3 days ago

Hello Mr. Berman,

I was wondering if you could comment on the current season of Castle. Specifically, looking at the ratings over the last 5 episodes, the Season 8, seems to be loosing audience. Are you aware if ABC or the powers that be are aware that the majority of the fan base, seems to be very upset over the Season 8 " Castle and Beckett" break up story line. As I look over social media ( boars, Facebook, twitter, etc), the fans that are on the sites, are furious with the current situation on the show, and in many cases very vocal about now watching it. The ratings seems to reflect it.

Regarding "buss" , how much credit do the powers that be, give the social media. I am wondering, as yes ratings are still king, but the social media can have a large affect on the ratings. If the fans are angry, and voice it to other fans, etc, logic would suggest the negative "buzz" would act like a head wind, verse, happy fans who are very positive. Now I understand some "web fans" will never be happy with a show, and use the internet to "vent, gripe, etc" , I get that. But this Break up story on Castle has gone over with what appears to be the majority of the fan base, extremely badly.

Do the showrunners know or care that the fans (customers) are not happy ?

Thanks

-John Z

 

Marc Berman 3 days ago

Hi John...I assume they care if the audience is not too pleased, which is why you often see plots quickly dropped on serialized dramas.  But "Castle," unfortunately, is an aging series.  And with age comes audience deterioration.  Given the rise in social media, what the fans are saying should certainly be taken seriously.  It is a quick report card, so to speak, if something is not working or not.  And if the was a producer on "Castle," I would get those characters back together pronto.

 

John Zucaro 3 days ago

Marc, Thanks for replying. One would think so, but having gone down the path in the first place, I have to wonder if the producers have any idea why fans watch the show. A Lot of fans ( again from the buzz) , watched for the 2 characters together, not apart. From show runner interviews, they (the show runners) come off very tone deaf. But ABC or whomever is in the profit chain , I would hope is paying attention. Also Greys Anatomy is an aging series, but seems to be holding its own, even with the death of a central character. But the difference ( I think) is the way it was handled in GA,was much better. And the over all quality of the writing is better than in S8 of Castle. People will go to quality , and now with all the different options ( netflix, cable, dvr's,etc), viewers dont have to tolerate crappy product , so they go else where, and go to shows that have positive buzz and may be worth their time. Castle S8, is not one of those shows as the writing is awful and the characters are shallow, verse earlier seasons ( not just me saying it, lots of folks ).

 

Thanks again for your reply.

-John Z

 

Marc Berman 3 days ago

I really do sometimes wonder if the producers understand what the audience wants.  You can't please everyone, I know.  But social media gives someone like you...the audience...a chance to speak your mind.  So keep doing so about "Castle," John.

I agree with Marc that the reaction generated on social media can give the writers a general idea as to whether a storyline is working or not and this one certainly isn't but based on what I'm seeing of the "new" Castle they're not interested in attracting someone like me as a viewer any more. 

Edited November 1, 2015 by verdana

[WendyCR72]

The trouble is, *IF* actor politics is in play, and the network isn't going to exert themselves in telling the leads to grow the hell up, I don't see how they can reunite the pairing without the 'tude seeping through, even if we all know professionalism should rule the day.

 

Add in the age with said politics and this is the mess the show is left to play out.

[BellyLaughter]

The trouble is, *IF* actor politics is in play, and the network isn't going to exert themselves in telling the leads to grow the hell up, I don't see how they can reunite the pairing without the 'tude seeping through, even if we all know professionalism should rule the day.

Add in the age with said politics and this is the mess the show is left to play out.

I agree. Castle's problems are not solely story related and the non story problems aren't going to shift so neither can the story. They only way these two fools are getting back together is if the show is cancelled and given the current state of play with the new ABC shows this season Castle could very well survive even with it crappy numbers. My biggest fear is that it is gonna survive as Castle P.I and to be honest, I would rather eat my own poo than watch that!

[Chado]

See I'd rather see Castle P.I. than this show we are currently getting. At least that way we know/knew that Beckett is gone and you as an individual can make a informed decision about whether to keep watching or stop entirely. I would stop watching (it don't matter if it was Castle or Beckett as the sole character) but at least the future was clear, the choice is easy.

 

As it currently stands, I'm pretty much in this limbo of not liking the show at all in season 8, but they dangle a carrot in my face when I realistically know that Castle and Beckett won't ever get together again until the show ends, but I deserve to see a Caskett ending after everything I've had to watch.

 

It's frustrating, I wish this season was already near the end and we knew it was getting cancelled.

[BellyLaughter]

Just to clarify I would not watch any version of Castle that doesn't include both Castle and Beckett. It's the reason why this season is pretty much a non event for me - there isn't enough of them together. The show is a shadow of its former self for all the wrong reasons! It will never be what most of us want it to be again....I am just praying for a merciful end at this point. An end that hopefully will give the majority of its fan base a taste of what it wants but I'm not holding my breath!

Edited November 1, 2015 by BellyLaughter

[Julia]

I wonder sometimes if the people who make this show (or Bones, whose playbook they seem to be working from) really grasp the extent to which they owe their jobs to audience nostalgia for the show they decided to stop making.