S07.14 Ye Dinna Get Used to It

[GHScorpiosRule]

The truth about Lord John Grey's mysterious disappearance is revealed; Brianna faces off with the foes threatening her family.

[sashabear21]

Sometimes the shoehorning of historical characters into the narrative can be really cringey, but the Marquis de Lafayette can come hang out anytime. Really anyone that comes rolling in with cheese by way of apology is okay in my book. Claire fangirling over him was kind of hilarious, it’s like she’s meeting history’s rock stars. 
 

I don’t know if it’s nature vs. nurture but William definitely inherited some hero complex from both of his fathers. 
 

I missed having the adventures of Roger and Buck this week. Buck has really grown on me as a character and he’s more interesting than Bree (who for a supposedly great shot did a terrible job with that this week). 

[BitterApple]

I figured it was only a matter of time before Bree went back with the kids, and here we are. I missed Buck too. He's rough around the edges but wise. 

 

3 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

 Really anyone that comes rolling in with cheese by way of apology is okay in my book. 

Right? Good-looking, French and he travels with a ship full of cheese?! I'd be fluffing up the guest room pillows like there's no tomorrow. 

I'm so confused now that half the characters are turning out to be spies. I can't keep names, nationalities or alliances straight. 

It seems a tad unlikely a privileged, aristocratic kid like William would stick his neck out for a prostitute, but I'll roll with it for now. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by BitterApple

[FnkyChkn34]

This episode lost me.  I don't know who are spies or who is Lord John's ex-lover/"step-brother"...  

All I could think of for the Marquis de Lafayette was Hamilton.  It's as if Claire saw the musical, not just knows American history.  (Will Thomas Jefferson be played by the same actor too, just to add even more confusion to the who's who?)

Who were the robbers at Bree's, and why won't the police help?

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

 

Who were the robbers at Bree's, and why won't the police help?

I think Bree couldn't come up with a convincing cover story the last time the police were there, so they've written the whole thing off as an affair gone bad or a loony woman looking for attention. If she calls them again,  they'd certainly want to speak with Roger and question why he wasn't on the first plane back to Scotland. They'd also want to question Jemmy. There's too many complications. 

[Ziggy]

2 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

This episode lost me.  I don't know who are spies or who is Lord John's ex-lover/"step-brother"...  

I’m pretty sure this is the first time we meet Percy (Lord John’s step-brother).

2 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

All I could think of for the Marquis de Lafayette was Hamilton.  It's as if Claire saw the musical, not just knows American history.

Between her husband, the Harvard History Professor, and her daughter, the Boston born and raised history major, I think we are supposed to assume Claire knows more about American History than the average person.

I do think it’s a bit unrealistic that she remembers as much as she does. It’s a bit too convenient at times 🤣

[DoctorAtomic]

I'm back on my usual viewing schedule. Though I prefer the show airing in the spring. 

I'm disappointed Lord John's alias is his own name. I was giving him credit for being crafty. More crafty because he was still quick on his feet. 

We're throwing around that 'General Fraser' as far as we can though! Claire's reaction to meeting Lafayette was delightful. I didn't need the music to cue me thanks; I'd be impressed to meet him too. I do like the actor playing Washington; he certainly has good monologuing. The actor on Turn was better imo. 

Thee is all horned up now that she's married. Well done, Young Ian. The actors are Jamie and Claire 2.0. The actor playing Rachel is taking it up about 10 notches now. 

I don't know why Lord John is getting the short shrift in terms of plot for William. I strained myself from rolling my eyes so hard at his hooker visit and her sister. I mean, again, unspoiled, but being someone who watches tv, William needs to die to give us the Jamie and Lord John angst and manpain we know is coming for their reconciliation. I don't need the additional scenes. Although, one pound doesn't seem so much for me for some ass. So that scene was worth it. Nothing against the actor. The pinching sour face he makes is just perfect because he's doing it when no one is around. He's that much of a pissy bitch. tbh, I'd be respectful and employ her as the laundress, but yeah, you'd be my whore. Treated well and respectfully, but still. 

I would have rather seen more scenes with Lord John and the Americans if only for him to learn more about the Revolution on a personal level. Not that he'd all of a sudden decide he's down for the cause, but he's smart, and it would have been interesting how he took it all in on the ground floor so to speak. I'm thrilled his eye is healing. And a hot new patch for his paramour! Lord John getting around. 

I'm glad Bree was finally mounting up with her shotgun. I wanted her to take out at least one of those guys in her house. Or go all Die Hard. 

I'm completely unspoiled, but I do hope they end the Revolution by the end of the season. I don't like the show hewing so much to history for the plot (and I know they're constrained by the books). I said before that seeing the Revolution from the South would have been more interesting. Jamie being so directly involved at this point isn't super interesting because we know what happens. 

On 12/29/2024 at 10:31 AM, Ziggy said:

Between her husband, the Harvard History Professor, and her daughter, the Boston born and raised history major, I think we are supposed to assume Claire knows more about American History than the average person.

I do think it’s a bit unrealistic that she remembers as much as she does. It’s a bit too convenient at times

Claire hasn't said anything about 'future knowledge' that I didn't know myself. I knew who Lafayette was from high school at least, and Yorktown similarly. This is the problem that I have with the show hewing too much to the Revolution. Washington basically lost or tied all the battles until Yorktown, except crossing the Delaware, and they've got him here fawning over Claire and enjoying a dinner party. The guy was freaking out for 7 years. 

[Ziggy]

12 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Claire hasn't said anything about 'future knowledge' that I didn't know myself. I knew who Lafayette was from high school at least, and Yorktown similarly. This is the problem that I have with the show hewing too much to the Revolution. Washington basically lost or tied all the battles until Yorktown, except crossing the Delaware, and they've got him here fawning over Claire and enjoying a dinner party. The guy was freaking out for 7 years. 

Your knowledge of this era is impressive!  Just about everything I know from this era, I learned from Outlander or Turn (not high school).  I had never heard of Lafayette until I watched Turn (great show!). 

Claire didn't grow up in the United States, so her knowledge is from Uncle Lamb, Frank and Bree.  To me, that is crazy impressive (if not super convenient.)  Just saying there's no way I would be of any help to Jamie other than, "The Continentals eventually win."

[FnkyChkn34]

10 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Your knowledge of this era is impressive!  Just about everything I know from this era, I learned from Outlander or Turn (not high school).  I had never heard of Lafayette until I watched Turn (great show!). 

Claire didn't grow up in the United States, so her knowledge is from Uncle Lamb, Frank and Bree.  To me, that is crazy impressive (if not super convenient.)  Just saying there's no way I would be of any help to Jamie other than, "The Continentals eventually win."

Same here.  I opted out of AP American History in high school, so all I know, I learned from "Hamilton." 😆

[DoctorAtomic]

It doesn't bother me Claire knows who Lafayette was or Yorktown. Now, if she was all, 'you have to do the flanking maneuver when Cornwallis does the charge and then send in the riflemen' that would be a bit much. 

Maybe growing up in New England, there was more of an emphasis on the Revolution because it literally happened there. We learned about Lafayette in 6th grade. Nothing about the cheese though. 

Too bad they didn't go back to the Civil War instead. Then I *really* would have wowed you all. 

40 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

I had never heard of Lafayette until I watched Turn (great show!). 

SPIES TALK LOUDLY IN BARS.

I'm surprised we haven't seen Benedict Arnold yet. Or are we past him by now? 

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I'm surprised we haven't seen Benedict Arnold yet.

We did see him. I want to say in season 5? But he hadn't turned traitor yet.

[Jodithgrace]

The first time that Claire went through the stones, she had no idea that she was going to do it. Luckily Frank’s obsession with Black Jack Randall and the battle of Culloden gave her a little knowledge.

However, the next time she went back, she knew the time period and I’m sure she did some research. Of course she didn’t know that she would end up in “the colonies” but living with Bree in Boston and helping her with history homework, etc. I’m sure she knew at least the basics of Revolutionary history. Boston, like Philadelphia, was important to the Revolution and I imagine that all Boston schoolchildren are fed Revolutionary history with their mothers milk, so to speak. 

[DoctorAtomic]

I forgot they were in Boston. Bree probably was learning the same stuff I did. 

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

We did see him. I want to say in season 5? But he hadn't turned traitor yet.

Season 5? Like in the late 80s? How long has this show been on? 

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Season 5? Like in the late 80s? How long has this show been on? 

Heh. No, I think it was when Jamie was forced to work for the Brits? And Claire came across Benedict and healed some injury he'd suffered? The one that caused him to have that limp that was portrayed by Peter Brady on The Brady Bunch when he got the role to play "TRAITOR!" Benedict Arnold and his idiot numbnuts of classmates acted like he WAS Benedict.

[Night Cheese]

2 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I'm surprised we haven't seen Benedict Arnold yet. Or are we past him by now? 

I believe he was in the first part of Season 7. It was definitely during the Revolution, I believe when Jamie was serving as a sniper. He was injured and Claire healed him and then she told Jamie who he was and how the name Benedict Arnold becomes synonymous with "traitor".

I'm really not surprised Claire knows Lafayette and major things that happen during the Revolution. It's a huge deal in Boston and living there for 20 years with a historian husband and raising a daughter, she'd just pick up most things by osmosis. I grew up in the Philly suburbs and went to college in Boston--its hard not to be immersed with Revolutionary history living in the northeast. I think Claire admitted not knowing a lot about the specifics of the Regulators and mini-rebellions in the Carolinas in one of the earlier seasons (4 or 5?). I thought that was appropriate.

[DoctorAtomic]

That's why I was interested in them being in the south for the Revolution because no one really knows much about it. 

[oceanblue]

I agree.  I grew up in Massachusetts, field trips were to battle sites.   Bree would have done that too.  She would have done her homework for history with Frank talking about the lead up to the revolution, the battles, the players.  Claire would have been around it all the time.  

[Iguessnot]

I've just watched this episode, but why has there been no ruckus about Claire and Jaime resuming their marriage while living in Lord John's house? The marriage was done to protect Claire, but since Jaime was legitimately presumed dead, the union was legal and Claire was introduced and acknowledged as John's wife. Yet the outside community and acquaintances act like they are in on the joke. I'm not asking for pitchforks, just some acknowledgment of an awkward situation.

Edited 20 hours ago by Iguessnot