S02.E07: The Dive

[AnimeMania]

Lukas is assigned a mission. Mechanical sends a powerful message. Juliette embarks on a perilous descent — and confronts a new danger.

Premiere Date: December 27, 2024         Apple TV+ 

[Mr. R0b0t]

I found this ep to be well-paced and quite interesting!  A shame we have to wait until next year to find out what happens next.

[tired and hungry]

7 hours ago, Mr. R0b0t said:

I found this ep to be well-paced and quite interesting!  A shame we have to wait until next year to find out what happens next.

S2 has 10 episodes. Surely we will find out what happened to Solo in the next 3 episodes...

[Zaffy]

So, Solo explained to us how diving can kill a diver and Jules did exactly that and should be dead or at least seriously ill. Are the writers idiots? Do they thing we are idiots? or they hint Jules is superhuman?

[Mr. R0b0t]

4 hours ago, Zaffy said:

So, Solo explained to us how diving can kill a diver and Jules did exactly that and should be dead or at least seriously ill. Are the writers idiots? Do they thing we are idiots? or they hint Jules is superhuman?

Two things...the bends isn't instantaneous, so she could still exhibit symptoms.  Second, her ascent was deliberately shown as slower for a while before she eschewed the rope and rapidly swam up.  Either way there is plenty of time for things to be explained on screen.

[Zaffy]

3 hours ago, Mr. R0b0t said:

Two things...the bends isn't instantaneous, so she could still exhibit symptoms.  Second, her ascent was deliberately shown as slower for a while before she eschewed the rope and rapidly swam up.  Either way there is plenty of time for things to be explained on screen.

maybe they will explain this after they tell us how she survived that fall from multiple stores on top of recyclable scrap and survived with only hurting her arm a bit. Btw, I am not an expert in diving but she could have probably died before the ascent, as someone tried to explain to me that oxygen is not enough in cases like this.
So,  I vote for her to be superhuman.
Cause the alternative is that the writers are bad, really bad...

p.s. And I forgot how she survived the boiling water while she was fixing the generator. LOL!

Edited December 29, 2024 by Zaffy

[nokat]

I understand the show has to be dramatic for effect. So we got Jules swimming up, after Solo told her how to swim? Yes, I see how Solo could be a pain, but he is telling her good information. She is so dismissive of him.

She is a badass though.

I want to add how much I like the actors chosen.

Edited December 29, 2024 by nokat

[Ceindreadh]

On 12/28/2024 at 5:21 AM, Mr. R0b0t said:

I found this ep to be well-paced and quite interesting!  A shame we have to wait until next year to find out what happens next.

I see what you did there!  hah!

[Charlemagne]

On 12/28/2024 at 1:52 PM, Zaffy said:

So, Solo explained to us how diving can kill a diver and Jules did exactly that and should be dead or at least seriously ill. Are the writers idiots? Do they thing we are idiots? or they hint Jules is superhuman?

From what I have read, a person can be 130 - 140 feet underwater and swim to the surface without getting the bends. 130 feet is roughly 11 stories.

Duration spent below that depth is also a factor, from what I understand.

So, we clearly witnessed her ascending slowly using the rope to pull herself up and then, at a certain depth, she went full-bore swimming to the surface.

Whatever other issues with the show, this particular point seems plausible. Especially since the episode ended before she could exhibit symptoms. But, even if she doesn't exhibit symptoms in the next episode, I think that there is more than enough room to let it slide that she just didn't get the bends.

Plus, there's also this: Solo's information about it all lacked nuance. He was probably going off of whatever cursory information that he read and may not be a 100% reliable "narrator" on the issue.

[go4luca]

As someone who has worked in the film industry I've learned I often have to suspend my disbelief.  I love the show so just try to sit back and enjoy.  And I'm also on Silo's reddit.

Edited January 3 by go4luca

[nokat]

I've been enjoying the show. I can suspend disbelief. I like the actors, the drama, the whole experience. 

[Charlemagne]

At the end of the day, when it comes to fictional narratives, it boils down to two things:

Plausibility and Believability.

Some things may be plausible but not believable and other things may be believable but not plausible.

These thresholds exist on a sliding scale and can be different from person to person.

Some people find it plausible and believable that The Force can be a thing, that Indiana Jones can make it through all of those scrapes, and that Superman can fly.

And others cannot find it plausible and believable that a woman can swim to the surface without getting the bends.

Such is the nature of storytelling. Everyone has their own limits.

[Zaffy]

16 hours ago, Charlemagne said:

And others cannot find it plausible and believable that a woman can swim to the surface without getting the bends.

This character seems to have super powers. Not getting burned, not getting killed after big falls, etc etc. Indiana is like a comic hero. Star Wars is sci-fi fantasy.
Is Silo a fantasy show about super heroes with superhuman abilities? Cause I get the feeling the creators treat is as realistic as possible (well, ok, minus the many plot armors). Except if at the end it is revealed Jules is the newest member of the Avengers.

[Charlemagne]

8 hours ago, Zaffy said:

This character seems to have super powers. Not getting burned, not getting killed after big falls, etc etc. Indiana is like a comic hero. Star Wars is sci-fi fantasy.
Is Silo a fantasy show about super heroes with superhuman abilities? Cause I get the feeling the creators treat is as realistic as possible (well, ok, minus the many plot armors). Except if at the end it is revealed Jules is the newest member of the Avengers.

None of that is really true though, is it?

About her having "super powers."

She seems to be operating under the same conventions as when a guy punches another guy in a fight scene... and doesn't break his hand.

Which is one of the more realistic outcomes. But doesn't happen every time.

And when it doesn't happen, that doesn't mean that the person has somehow acquired super powers. It just means that it didn't happen that particular time.

 

Edited January 4 by Charlemagne

[Zaffy]

4 hours ago, Charlemagne said:

None of that is really true though, is it?

About her having "super powers."

She seems to be operating under the same conventions as when a guy punches another guy in a fight scene... and doesn't break his hand.

Which is one of the more realistic outcomes. But doesn't happen every time.

And when it doesn't happen, that doesn't mean that the person has somehow acquired super powers. It just means that it didn't happen that particular time.

 

So for you it is realistic not to get burned from boiling water while you are literally swimming in it for plenty of minutes.
It is realistic to fall from multiple floors above into metal scrap and only tear your arm a bit.
It is realistic to fall from   big height while being attached to a loose wire and not get snapped in two pieces.
Not to mention what happens to Jules in episode 8, which after a point it is just laughable 

Spoiler

like being hurt with an arrow and just put some bandage on it and everything is fine, after you had just recovered from the bends and all this after you just had a serious infection. Only from the latter she should had ben incapacitated for days not go and dive in a deep depth. 

No, she is not a superhuman, she is a cartoon. 

All of the above it is the same as punching someone and not breaking you hand ?

I don't know if the book is such an unrealistic mess or the TV adaptation is to  blame. Like how people manage to climb stairs of dozens of floors in a few minutes but when the plot requires it takes them one full day.
Like there is a drug that can erase very specific memories from your brain. 
Ok, I can "accept" these two stupidities. No big deal.
But I cannot overlook that someone is not burned to death when swimming in boiling water or falls 20+m into metals objects and is still alive.


 

Edited January 5 by Zaffy

[HerkyJerky]

4 hours ago, Zaffy said:

don't know if the book is such an unrealistic mess or the TV adaptation is to  blame

Zaffy, I’m really not trying to pick on you, but I’m just trying to understand the mindset of somebody who would watch eight episodes (and possibly more? If you watch the first season) of a show that you clearly find unreasonable, unrealistic, and banal. Either a show connects with you and entertains you or it does not. There are SO MANY shows out there that are streaming, so why would you watch one that you don’t like?

[Charlemagne]

On 1/4/2025 at 6:57 PM, Zaffy said:

So for you it is realistic not to get burned from boiling water while you are literally swimming in it for plenty of minutes.
It is realistic to fall from multiple floors above into metal scrap and only tear your arm a bit.
It is realistic to fall from   big height while being attached to a loose wire and not get snapped in two pieces.
Not to mention what happens to Jules in episode 8, which after a point it is just laughable 

  Reveal spoiler

like being hurt with an arrow and just put some bandage on it and everything is fine, after you had just recovered from the bends and all this after you just had a serious infection. Only from the latter she should had ben incapacitated for days not go and dive in a deep depth. 

No, she is not a superhuman, she is a cartoon. 

All of the above it is the same as punching someone and not breaking you hand ?

I don't know if the book is such an unrealistic mess or the TV adaptation is to  blame. Like how people manage to climb stairs of dozens of floors in a few minutes but when the plot requires it takes them one full day.
Like there is a drug that can erase very specific memories from your brain. 
Ok, I can "accept" these two stupidities. No big deal.
But I cannot overlook that someone is not burned to death when swimming in boiling water or falls 20+m into metals objects and is still alive.


 

In light of the subsequent episode, you may want to revisit your thoughts on the matter.

[Natalie25]

If possible - would anyone be able to give me a quick summary of this episode (the dive part)? For some reason the thought of Jules diving multiple stories in that dark pool is upping my anxiety. I'd love to know what happens if anyone is willing to share. Thanks in advance.

[Charlemagne]

5 hours ago, Natalie25 said:

If possible - would anyone be able to give me a quick summary of this episode (the dive part)? For some reason the thought of Jules diving multiple stories in that dark pool is upping my anxiety. I'd love to know what happens if anyone is willing to share. Thanks in advance.

She does make a deep dive and, mysteriously, her air supply hose is cut off at the source and she has to resurface quickly. She tries to pull herself up slowly via the tether but, as air is running out in her lungs, she eventually starts swimming to the surface as fast as she can - thereby risking the bends. The episode ends as she makes it to the surface and makes a startling discovery.

[Natalie25]

3 hours ago, Charlemagne said:

She does make a deep dive and, mysteriously, her air supply hose is cut off at the source and she has to resurface quickly. She tries to pull herself up slowly via the tether but, as air is running out in her lungs, she eventually starts swimming to the surface as fast as she can - thereby risking the bends. The episode ends as she makes it to the surface and makes a startling discovery.

Thank you!

[PurpleTentacle]

Yeah, that pump ain't working under water. They really want me to forget physics in order to believe this stuff, don't they?

So there is still somebody else alive in the Silo? Finally something inteeresting happening there.

[PurpleTentacle]

On 12/28/2024 at 8:52 PM, Zaffy said:

So, Solo explained to us how diving can kill a diver and Jules did exactly that and should be dead or at least seriously ill. Are the writers idiots? Do they thing we are idiots? or they hint Jules is superhuman?

It takes a while for the bends to show serious negative effects. In more than half the cases symptoms don't set in for at least an hour and it can take up to 48 hours. I assume that's the ticking clock in the next episode. Juliette will have to find Solo and figure out who was messing with them, before she gets too sick to do so. So she can go back down.

It's not entirely realistic to go back down at a point where you already have serious symptoms, but what is on this show?

On 12/29/2024 at 4:02 AM, Zaffy said:

Btw, I am not an expert in diving but she could have probably died before the ascent, as someone tried to explain to me that oxygen is not enough in cases like this.

Well they pumped air down there, not just oxygen. Air only becomes toxic at 56m (184 feet). I don't quite remember how many levels she was down, but it didn't look even close to 50m.

For recreational divers other mixtures than normal air are recommended below 40m (130 feet) but that's mostly to have a safety margin.

On 12/31/2024 at 6:46 PM, Charlemagne said:

From what I have read, a person can be 130 - 140 feet underwater and swim to the surface without getting the bends. 130 feet is roughly 11 stories.

The bends are a real concern after 9m (30 feet). Of course the deeper you go the more likely and worse it will get.

On 12/31/2024 at 6:46 PM, Charlemagne said:

So, we clearly witnessed her ascending slowly using the rope to pull herself up and then, at a certain depth, she went full-bore swimming to the surface.

She clearly went up too fast to not experience any problems. If that isn't a plot point in the next episode, especially with all the foreshadowing, I will be very disappointed.

On 1/5/2025 at 1:57 AM, Zaffy said:

So for you it is realistic not to get burned from boiling water while you are literally swimming in it for plenty of minutes.
It is realistic to fall from multiple floors above into metal scrap and only tear your arm a bit.
It is realistic to fall from   big height while being attached to a loose wire and not get snapped in two pieces.
Not to mention what happens to Jules in episode 8, which after a point it is just laughable 

I would like to add. In episode 1 or 2 of this season she fell into the water from several stories up, with her back towards the water.

At a certain height water becomes like concrete. Now I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that she wasn't too high up (even though it looked like it), but really her entire back, including her neck and the back of her arms should be black and blue.

On 1/5/2025 at 6:33 AM, HerkyJerky said:

Zaffy, I’m really not trying to pick on you, but I’m just trying to understand the mindset of somebody who would watch eight episodes (and possibly more? If you watch the first season) of a show that you clearly find unreasonable, unrealistic, and banal. Either a show connects with you and entertains you or it does not. There are SO MANY shows out there that are streaming, so why would you watch one that you don’t like?

Can't speak for Zaffy, but for me it's hard to quit once I have invested significant time into a show and I liked season 1. A show has to massively fall off a cliff for me to call it quits. There is always the hope that it will recover again, even though few shows actually do.