S01.E09: Vivo o Muerto

[Snazzy Daisy]

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The case of a missing woman who disappeared after a night of clubbing with a Navy seaman takes the team to Mexico, where they learn of a possible connection to Gibbs' past.

Air Date: Dec 09, 2024

 

♦️ Vivo o Muerto — Dead or Alive ♦️

Edited December 10, 2024 by Snazzy Daisy

[EtheltoTillie]

Wow, just wow. 

[Skooma]

This show is hitting major moments in Gibbs' life and this was one of the most major.  Wow indeed.

Also I am grateful for the writers NOT going with the growingly common "the corrupt Mexican cop" troupe.  They cleverly hinted at it (you guys should return back to the US and let us handle things) but then it turns out the cop was just truly worried for them.  Bravo.

Finally an episode without a hoard of nameless women confusing me.  Lala was in Mexico while someone named Vera apparently was watching TV on company time (yeah I know, an interview) for her little whatever it is profiling project.

Meanwhile Bug Boy (tm from "Bones") was the real hero figuring out the route the cartel would take.

[GHScorpiosRule]

47 minutes ago, Skooma said:

while someone named Vera apparently was watching TV on company time (yeah I know, an interview) for her little whatever it is profiling project.

OMGEEE! Starting original mothership season 11 and we see Vera! Franks' last partner-played by Roma Maffia! So check off this character we met in mothership that is now on this show too! Hee!

[Raja]

5 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Wow, just wow. 

Question for those all in with the franchise. Was it always known that Gibbs belonged to the broadcast TV heroes who have murdered club with Thomas Magnum and Vinnie Terranova of Wiseguy, or was it just suspected, and this episode was the confirmation?

[MDL]

45 minutes ago, Raja said:

Question for those all in with the franchise. Was it always known that Gibbs belonged to the broadcast TV heroes who have murdered club with Thomas Magnum and Vinnie Terranova of Wiseguy, or was it just suspected, and this episode was the confirmation?

I don't recall the season/ or the ep name, but the knowledge of Gibbs killing Hernandez came out -at first just to Abbie, who was asked by a Mexican official (Actually Hernandez's son,and a drug Cartel member) to examine the original (30 years old??) killing. She discovered that the bullet used was fired by Gibbs rifle. Several years later, Gibbs told the team. Outside of that it remained  a secret for more years

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 hours ago, MDL said:

I don't recall the season/ or the ep name, but the knowledge of Gibbs killing Hernandez came out -at first just to Abbie, who was asked by a Mexican official (Actually Hernandez's son,and a drug Cartel member) to examine the original (30 years old??) killing. She discovered that the bullet used was fired by Gibbs rifle. Several years later, Gibbs told the team. Outside of that it remained  a secret for more years

It came out before then. End of season six, with the back door pilot of NCIS: Los Angeles, where Macy was the MP "investigating" the murder of Hernandez in...Mexico. Like...whuuut? Then later at the end of season 7, Abby goes to Mexico to teach about cold cases and how the cops messed up and the body was Hernandez. And after that, everydamnbody knew.

Edited December 10, 2024 by GHScorpiosRule

[EtheltoTillie]

3 hours ago, MDL said:

I don't recall the season/ or the ep name, but the knowledge of Gibbs killing Hernandez came out -at first just to Abbie, who was asked by a Mexican official (Actually Hernandez's son,and a drug Cartel member) to examine the original (30 years old??) killing. She discovered that the bullet used was fired by Gibbs rifle. Several years later, Gibbs told the team. Outside of that it remained  a secret for more years

More wow from me.  You guys already knew this, but I, as a nonwatcher of the mothership, was just surprised.  Great plot twist for me. 

[threebluestars]

Lala looked PISSED.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Now we know why Hernandez mention doesn't trigger any reaction from Gibbs.

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"He said Pedro Hernandez was killed 6 months ago. Cartel covered it up so they wouldn't look weak. He was shot by a sniper."

[GHScorpiosRule]

Well. I really expected to see Gibbs roll around and screaming in agony after he killed Hernandez. Not remain…not calm exactly, but some reaction.

 

[Daff]

I don’t think he could afford to react, as it would only confirm the “failed” psych evaluation rumor/innuendo. At this point he must realize this job is keeping him functioning.

Edited December 11, 2024 by Daff

[Skooma]

8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well. I really expected to see Gibbs roll around and screaming in agony after he killed Hernandez. Not remain…not calm exactly, but some reaction.

Hmmm, well Gibbs' personality has been traditionally super stoic and Gary Cooper-like throughout the mothership.  The crying outbursts in this show seemed weirdly atypical in a way. 

And a sniper has to remain calm, cool and focused in his job.  He has to quickly move on to his exit strategy after the shot is taken. 

Also after waiting for the big moment of revenge, killing a guy at a non-visceral, detached far distance where it looks more like a surreal video game then real life happening would seem a bit anti-climatic I should think.

[chessiegal]

9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well. I really expected to see Gibbs roll around and screaming in agony after he killed Hernandez. Not remain…not calm exactly, but some reaction.

 

Another variation from the original show? Because that's what the mothership shows.

[Raja]

11 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

Another variation from the original show? Because that's what the mothership shows.

So they weren't all in with the lead that murdered. As other characters who did it kept their secret with zero remorse shown, and the boss played don't ask don't tell.

[GHScorpiosRule]

14 hours ago, Skooma said:

Hmmm, well Gibbs' personality has been traditionally super stoic and Gary Cooper-like throughout the mothership.  The crying outbursts in this show seemed weirdly atypical in a way. 

And a sniper has to remain calm, cool and focused in his job.  He has to quickly move on to his exit strategy after the shot is taken. 

Also after waiting for the big moment of revenge, killing a guy at a non-visceral, detached far distance where it looks more like a surreal video game then real life happening would seem a bit anti-climatic I should think.

 

13 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Another variation from the original show? Because that's what the mothership shows.

Yes, a variation from the mothership when the audience first learned what happened to Sharon and Kelly; introduction of Franks, and Gibbs' past.

It showed the raw agony of grief of Gibbs. So yeah, I was wondering if they would have Austin play that onscreen. Oh well.

13 hours ago, Raja said:

So they weren't all in with the lead that murdered. As other characters who did it kept their secret with zero remorse shown, and the boss played don't ask don't tell.

We didn't learn about Gibbs’ past until the end of the third season. There was a line when Ziva appeared where Gibbs asked her if she knew about his first wife and daughter. That's when we got confirmation. We had seen a flashback or two of him with his daughter.

Edited December 12, 2024 by GHScorpiosRule

[Magnumfangirl]

On 12/10/2024 at 8:48 AM, Raja said:

Was it always known that Gibbs belonged to the broadcast TV heroes who have murdered club with Thomas Magnum

It's been known since season 7.  NCIS has "borrowed" a lot from Magnum for obvious reasons.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Magnumfangirl

[misstwpherecool]

When they bomb NCIS many seasons ago didn't the group the Navy Watchmen or what ever know about Gibbs and Mexico. In other words I sort of got the impression Gibbs was there on a black op.

Either way it's good they knocked that out the way in the first season.

Although how Gibbs goes from a cast to hiking walking on tough terrain without physical therapy etc.

[GHScorpiosRule]

28 minutes ago, misstwpherecool said:

When they bomb NCIS many seasons ago didn't the group the Navy Watchmen or what ever know about Gibbs and Mexico. In other words I sort of got the impression Gibbs was there on a black op.

As I’ve stated here and in the comparison thread, as well in the mothership forum-that was all another retcon, that made no sense. And the Phantom Nine as they were called was a CIA opp that Vance was involved in. Gibbs was never involved or a part of it. How Cole/Stratton knew to throw it in Gibbs’ face was pure bullshit.

[Raja]

1 hour ago, misstwpherecool said:

When they bomb NCIS many seasons ago didn't the group the Navy Watchmen or what ever know about Gibbs and Mexico. In other words I sort of got the impression Gibbs was there on a black op.

Either way it's good they knocked that out the way in the first season.

Although how Gibbs goes from a cast to hiking walking on tough terrain without physical therapy etc.

I just assumed it was months later before coming back to full Marine duties or retiring to join NIS.