Chit-Chat: The Feels

[bluegirl147]

17 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

“I acknowledge that differing viewpoints are a natural aspect of human relationships”

So did Melania write that or did AI write that?  She isn't known for writing things herself.

14 hours ago, nokat said:

I think Elon is smart in the way Trump is smart, as in they aren't, at all, but have the inherited wealth to have some smart people around them. They can preen and strut around the chicken yard thinking they are the bestest rooster while the world supports their idiocy.

Yes if they had been born into poor families they never would have "accomplished" what they have.  These are not self made men.

14 hours ago, nokat said:

Honestly I'm not worried about them, they are the clowns to distract us from the real issue, the theocracy to come.

The Republicans made a deal with the Christian Right/Evangelicals years ago and now here we are. They just kept letting them get away with more and more and now they want the whole fucking thing. Did anyone really think they would stop at reversing Roe?

14 hours ago, nokat said:

We know how that has played out in history.

Yeah I'm not really up for a redo of the Crusades.  Why can't these people just be happy and worship their god and leave us that don't alone? You don't see me pushing atheism down people's throats.

12 hours ago, Eri said:

It’s absolutely insane that Trump is essentially running a shadow government before even taking office! One has to wonder how probable it is that he has been managing one since leaving office. The concept of a "deep state" certainly exists; perhaps they just identified the wrong entity 🤔 🤫

Well let's see.  He was talking to Putin most likely about Ukraine. He was talking to Bibi probably about wiping Gaza off the map. He tanked the bipartisan border bill and now this. I remember people being outraged Rosalyn Carter sat in on Cabinet meetings and Hillary Clinton wanting to do more than bake cookies.  But sure let's let Trump and now Musk run things without actually being the public President and the behind the scenes President.

11 hours ago, Dimity said:

Predictably President Musk is blaming the Dems.

This is what they always do. Come up with a horrible bill they know Dems won't vote for and say see it's the Dems obstructing us. And their base believes it every single time.

10 hours ago, nokat said:

Private individuals have had way too much influence and then accuse others of it.

That was the whole Hunter Biden thing. They accused Hunter of having influence over his dad. Meanwhile we have Musk literally buying a President. Does any actually think without all that money Musk "donated" Trump would have him around giving him so much power?

On a side note I watched the Apprentice, the movie about Trump.  There was nothing in it that hasn't already been in books and other media forms.  His outrage over it is just him being his whiny crybaby self. And Jeremy Strong was outstanding as Roy Cohn.

And on another side note Fanni Willis has been disqualified from the election interference case in Georgia.

[fastiller]

12 hours ago, Dimity said:

Predictably President Musk is blaming the Dems.

Can we get a hashtag going #PresidentMusk?  See how Trump responds.

 

[peacheslatour]

47 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Can we get a hashtag going #PresidentMusk?  See how Trump responds.

 

President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team responded forcefully to claims that Elon Musk is running the show on Thursday.

Musk and Trump killed a spending bill put forward by Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R-LA) to keep the government funded through March 14 ahead of Friday’s deadline. On Wednesday, the billionaire Tesla CEO embarked on a public pressure campaign in which he called for the bill to be killed and declared that any Republican who supports it should be voted out of office.

By the afternoon, Trump and Vice President-elect JD Vance released a joint statement agreeing with Musk and demanding lawmakers avoid a shutdown by passing a spending bill that didn’t include “giveaways.”

I don't think Mediaite knows what "forcefully" means.

[PRgal]

Musk will be fired before we know it.  And I wouldn't be surprised if it's before Orange Man takes office.  

In other news, according to The Globe and Mail, PM NepoKid is toying with the idea of stepping down...

[peacheslatour]

What is up, young Canadians?

“The appeal of a province joining the United States varies greatly by age,” says Mario Canseco, President of Research Co.

“While only 10 per cent of Canadians aged 55 and over perceive benefits, the proportion rises to 27 per cent among those aged 35 to 54 and to 40 per cent among those aged 18 to 34.”

CTV News obtained this study on the same day U.S. president-elect Donald Trump took aim at Canada again, saying it would be "a great idea" to make it America's "51st state."

[bluegirl147]

9 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

What is up, young Canadians?

“The appeal of a province joining the United States varies greatly by age,” says Mario Canseco, President of Research Co.

“While only 10 per cent of Canadians aged 55 and over perceive benefits, the proportion rises to 27 per cent among those aged 35 to 54 and to 40 per cent among those aged 18 to 34.”

CTV News obtained this study on the same day U.S. president-elect Donald Trump took aim at Canada again, saying it would be "a great idea" to make it America's "51st state."

Someone should ask them if they would feel the same way if our policies became their policies.  Like no more universal health care.  Provinces being allowed to restrict abortions. 

[Spartan Girl]

Anybody see Randy Rainbow's latest video?

Lift your chin,

Don't give in

To the stress and strife...

Dry your tears,

It's just four years...

Oh my God...FUCK MY LIFE!

[nokat]

I really don't get voting against your own interests. Like, how can people not see the end result of a theocracy/dictatorship. There is this short sighted view, and not the long term results. Women are bleeding to death because of ignorance.  Think about the SA men who will be in the cabinet. I am angry, and thinking about the sacrifices that women made, just to be thrown away.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, nokat said:

I really don't get voting against your own interests.

For a lot of them they don't think bad things will happen to them.  All the stuff Trump wants to do will only affect all those other people.  Ignorance might be bliss for them but it's hell for the rest of us.

 

[Dimity]

23 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Someone should ask them if they would feel the same way if our policies became their policies.  Like no more universal health care.  Provinces being allowed to restrict abortions. 

Another poll that came out said that only 13% of Canadians would look favourably at coming part of the US and of the 13% it was predominantly young males.  No surprise there to me.  They are still at the cocky "it's all about me" stage of life and that fits in well with President Musk's philosophy of life.

[Dimity]

54 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Donald Trump took aim at Canada again, saying it would be "a great idea" to make it America's "51st state."

Donald needs to look a little more closely at Canada if he really believes that.  Sure we have a right wing but even our Conservative party is probably closer to the Dems than they would ever be to MAGA Republicans.  If we became the 51st state we'd be giving our electoral votes to the Dems.  So suck on that Donald.

[Anela]

Every single politician who stood against certifying Biden’s election, and encouraged the January 6th rioters, should have been charged with domestic terrorism.  That includes Josh Hawley, who ran for his life. MAGA were talking about it being a revolution, and then blamed antifa. The party of self-responsibility, is always pointing fingers.  Now we have them salivating over court martial of people like Liz Cheney, and Milley (for not turning the military onto the country, and speaking out against a coup, in advance).  

And on a different note: as a survivor of violence, from both a man, and a woman, I’d like to see the so-called protector of women, act like one.  It won’t happen, obviously, because he doesn’t give a shit about violence against girls and women.  

Edited Friday at 05:58 PM by Anela

[Anela]

6 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Donald needs to look a little more closely at Canada if he really believes that.  Sure we have a right wing but even our Conservative party is probably closer to the Dems than they would ever be to MAGA Republicans.  If we became the 51st state we'd be giving our electoral votes to the Dems.  So suck on that Donald.

I pointed this out on Facebook, the other day. :) I’d like him to stop talking about invading your country, but the electoral votes wouid be really nice.  😆

Edited Friday at 05:56 PM by Anela

[bluegirl147]

11 minutes ago, Dimity said:

If we became the 51st state we'd be giving our electoral votes to the Dems.  So suck on that Donald.

 

5 minutes ago, Anela said:

but the electoral votes wouid be really nice.  😆

Oh no. He wouldn't want Canada to actually be a state with electoral votes.  He is probably thinking one of our territories.  Where he can take what he wants and you guys don't get a lot back in returne.

[peacheslatour]

There are ten provinces in Canada. What if each one were to become a state? How many electoral college votes would each one get? And this is why it's such a stupid thing for Mr. Trump to say. A. Most of the provinces would probably vote for Democrats and B. It ain't ever gonna happen.

[bluegirl147]

This is what he does. He throws shit out there and sees if anything sticks. At some point he will talk about polls and inflate the number of Canadians who said yes they would like to become part of the United States.  Before all is said and done his base will believe it was going to  happen and liberals or antifa or Dems stood in the way.

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

This is what he does. He throws shit out there and sees if anything sticks. At some point he will talk about polls and inflate the number of Canadians who said yes they would like to become part of the United States.  Before all is said and done his base will believe it was going to  happen and liberals or antifa or Dems stood in the way.

It's always so hard to know which reaction emoji to pick. Half the time I don't know whether to laugh or cry. 😭🤣🤔

[bluegirl147]

14 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

It's always so hard to know which reaction emoji to pick. Half the time I don't know whether to laugh or cry. 😭🤣🤔

You have to laugh so you don't cry.

Immediately after the election I was depressed. Took me about a month to fully come out of it. This thread has helped a lot.  And now I'm of the mind I'm just going to sit back and watch it burn. Because it will burn. And I feel horrible for those who are going to get burned (except the ones who voted for him, they can get scorched) but anyone with a brain knew Trump was going to be even worse this time around.  He isn't even in office yet and him and Musk are breaking plates just because. So my hope is we survive as best we can and hope once he is finally gone (death, end of term, I don't care) we can start to rebuild.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

You have to laugh so you don't cry.

Immediately after the election I was depressed. Took me about a month to fully come out of it. This thread has helped a lot.  And now I'm of the mind I'm just going to sit back and watch it burn. Because it will burn. And I feel horrible for those who are going to get burned (except the ones who voted for him, they can get scorched) but anyone with a brain knew Trump was going to be even worse this time around.  He isn't even in office yet and him and Musk are breaking plates just because. So my hope is we survive as best we can and hope once he is finally gone (death, end of term, I don't care) we can start to rebuild.

I'm pretty much in the same place as you (and thank heavens for this thread!) Mr. Trump is a lame duck this time around. He doesn't have to pull any punches or worry about re-election. He's on a revenge tour and it will end badly but it will end. I hope I'm here to see it.

[Dimity]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Mr. Trump is a lame duck this time around. He doesn't have to pull any punches or worry about re-election.

And this is where I see a ray of hope.  Some of the republicans who are going along for the ride because they're afraid not to not because they actually agree with Trump/Musk are going to be looking ahead.  Eventually Trump will be gone and they are going to still want political careers.  They may finally get a spine and start standing up to the MAGA cult.

[Spartan Girl]

Would things have been different if Dorsey or whoever hadn’t sold Twitter to Musk? I can’t help feeling that was the first domino…

[peacheslatour]

 

Isn't there someone else we could screw over???

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Would things have been different if Dorsey or whoever hadn’t sold Twitter to Musk? I can’t help feeling that was the first domino…

The fact social media has so much influence over everything is a serious problem.

[nokat]

12 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

The fact social media has so much influence over everything is a serious problem.

People getting their news from facebook, x, and tiktok.

[tearknee]

I'm still waiting for "people" [non-specific here] to comprehend that the average voters do not use or readily understand terms like "the Other", "Othering". "fat shaming", "intersectionality" etc. 

It is the average person that defines the objective mean, not outliers such as college postgrad activists/polemicists or those in academia. The last person "someone" wants to see on TV is another professor.

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, tearknee said:

I'm still waiting for "people" [non-specific here] to comprehend that the average voters do not use or readily understand terms like "the Other", "Othering". "fat shaming", "intersectionality" etc. 

It is the average person that defines the objective mean, not outliers such as college postgrad activists/polemicists or those in academia. The last person "someone" wants to see on TV is another professor.

So TV hosts and Fox News on air "talent" is better? I'm not sure what you mean. Like when there is an outbreak of disease, I would rather hear from people like Dr. Fauci than Sean Hannity.

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, tearknee said:

I'm still waiting for "people" [non-specific here] to comprehend that the average voters do not use or readily understand terms like "the Other", "Othering". "fat shaming", "intersectionality" etc. 

It is the average person that defines the objective mean, not outliers such as college postgrad activists/polemicists or those in academia. The last person "someone" wants to see on TV is another professor.

I understand what you are saying but this is why having intellect is being demonized in some circles. Idiocracy was only supposed to be a movie.

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

So TV hosts and Fox News on air "talent" is better? I'm not sure what you mean. Like when there is an outbreak of disease, I would rather hear from people like Dr. Fauci than Sean Hannity.

This was done on purpose.  Republicans want people to distrust the government.  That way they can keep fucking us over.

[PRgal]

11 minutes ago, tearknee said:

I'm still waiting for "people" [non-specific here] to comprehend that the average voters do not use or readily understand terms like "the Other", "Othering". "fat shaming", "intersectionality" etc. 

It is the average person that defines the objective mean, not outliers such as college postgrad activists/polemicists or those in academia. The last person "someone" wants to see on TV is another professor.

I didn't even know "other" and "othering" until at least undergrad.  And you know what?  The weirdest experience is when you're "othered" by someone who is from your background, which I mentioned in (I believe) another thread.  I think media might want to refrain from using these terms, maybe use "discrimination" (for "other" and XYZshaming) and "multiple beliefs" (for intersectionality).  Also, "multiple beliefs" somehow only includes the beliefs that certain groups want to include.  I can't bring up my experiences in a 100-level women's studies class enough.  And yes, this includes the discrimination (or more accurately, "shaming") by instructors.

[tearknee]

12 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I didn't even know "other" and "othering" until at least undergrad.  And you know what?  The weirdest experience is when you're "othered" by someone who is from your background, which I mentioned in (I believe) another thread.  I think media might want to refrain from using these terms, maybe use "discrimination" (for "other" and XYZshaming) and "multiple beliefs" (for intersectionality).  Also, "multiple beliefs" somehow only includes the beliefs that certain groups want to include.  I can't bring up my experiences in a 100-level women's studies class enough.  And yes, this includes the discrimination (or more accurately, "shaming") by instructors.

And since most people are not poli-social activists, these "advocacy groups" for marginalized communities don't represent many... but the leadership and membership of the activist orgs themselves really.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Would things have been different if Dorsey or whoever hadn’t sold Twitter to Musk? I can’t help feeling that was the first domino…

[PRgal]

30 minutes ago, tearknee said:

And since most people are not poli-social activists, these "advocacy groups" for marginalized communities don't represent many... but the leadership and membership of the activist orgs themselves really.

They're the ones who shame/gaslight/whatever you want to call it people the most.  

ETA:  Looks like Canada may be heading to an early election in 2025 (so before October 2025...way before)

Edited Friday at 08:48 PM by PRgal

[Dimity]

Looks like Canada is heading towards an election and some of the reasons are very similar to the ones that got Trump Musk elected (it's all about the economy, stupid) so the Cons will doubtless win.  This meme is applicable for both our countries.  Sadly.

[peacheslatour]

I'm so sorry, Canadian friends. Hate has no place in this world and yet, here we are.

Toronto police are investigating after a Jewish girls elementary school in North York was shot at for the third time this year.

The most recent shooting at the Bais Chaya Mushka Girls Elementary School happened shortly after 2:30 a.m. Friday, according to Supt. Paul MacIntyre.

Security video captured a vehicle pull up to the school, a passenger get out and fire at the building before getting back in and speeding away, MacIntyre said. The school was empty at the time and no injuries were reported, he added.

[PRgal]

I'm going to come out and say this:  I am NOT left wing and probably lean right more than most of you.  But don't hate me, please.  

Thank you.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I'm going to come out and say this:  I am NOT left wing and probably lean right more than most of you.  But don't hate me, please.  

Thank you.

Do you mean you're someone who would vote for Mr. Trump?

[PRgal]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

Do you mean you're someone who would vote for Mr. Trump?

I'm more left than that, not that right wing by American standards.  For Canadians?  Definitely.  Because I'm tired of being shamed by the so-called "educated."  I didn't like it when I was in school (the PC phase of the late 90s and early naughts) and hate it even MORE now. 

[Dimity]

20 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Because I'm tired of being shamed by the so-called "educated." 

I, on the other hand, am tired of being told by the kind of people who joined the 'Freedom' Convoy that they know more about everything than the people who studied for years and then spent even more years working in their chosen fields.  I do not feel shamed because I can acknowledge that I don't have expertise in most fields and am prepared to let those who do do their jobs. 

[peacheslatour]

Just now, Dimity said:

I, on the other hand, am tired of being told by the kind of people who joined the 'Freedom' Convoy that they know more about everything than the people who studied for years and then spent even more years working in their chosen fields.  I do not feel shamed because I can acknowledge that I don't have expertise in most fields and am prepared to let those who do do their jobs. 

I agree. I don't understand the problem with listening to experts. I have a CPA because I suck at filling out forms. I have all sorts of doctors, dentists and PT people. I pay my attorney because he knows the law. Even our hair dressers, bartenders and florists know more about their chosen fields than does the average person. What's the problem?

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

What's the problem?

As the late, great Eleanor Roosevelt so famously said "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent".   I don't feel educated (either academically or otherwise) people should have to dumb themselves down in order to be heard.

Edited Friday at 09:36 PM by Dimity

[peacheslatour]

The hits just keep coming.

[fastiller]

5 hours ago, nokat said:

I really don't get voting against your own interests. Like, how can people not see the end result of a theocracy/dictatorship. There is this short sighted view, and not the long term results. Women are bleeding to death because of ignorance.  Think about the SA men who will be in the cabinet. I am angry, and thinking about the sacrifices that women made, just to be thrown away.

 

5 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

For a lot of them they don't think bad things will happen to them.  All the stuff Trump wants to do will only affect all those other people.  Ignorance might be bliss for them but it's hell for the rest of us.

 

 

Something something leopards, faces something....

[tearknee]

9 minutes ago, fastiller said:

 

 

Something something leopards, faces something....

Good thing [general "we"] won't need "Karens/Chavs/White trash/hillbillies" for anything. Such as winning a referendum on the EU or electing a former FLOTUS, perhaps?

[Dimity]

[peacheslatour]

36 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Good thing [general "we"] won't need "Karens/Chavs/White trash/hillbillies" for anything. Such as winning a referendum on the EU or electing a former FLOTUS, perhaps?

So be more like the Trumps of the world?

Edit: Upon further consideration, I think what you're saying is that name calling isn't helpful. And if our side want so win over more voters, we need to knock it off. But (and I don't like whataboutism) the right and Mr. Trump in particular, constantly characterize the left as evil and says things like this -

“They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done. They poison — mental institutions and prisons all over the world. Not just in South America. Not just the three or four countries that we think about. But all over the world they’re coming into our country — from Africa, from Asia, all over the world. They’re pouring into our country.” — Dec. 16, 2023, New Hampshire rally

Edited Friday at 11:43 PM by peacheslatour

[Dimity]

43 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

So be more like the Trumps of the world?

In a rally this past summer Trump, taking a leaf right out of the Nazi playbook, called migrants "animals" and "not human".  But sure I guess us calling out his supporters and using less than immaculate language is the real problem facing the US right now.

[bluegirl147]

The people who voted for Trump , I don't call them names*.  I wish they would be as polite.  I have been called a libtard.  Been told liberalism is a mental illness.  Been told I'm lazy and I need to get job because I get my insurance through the ACA (I have a full time job).  I'm used to people disliking me because of my life choices so I don't care but to be demonized because I want a better more equal world for people who need help is pathetic.  

*I might not call them names but I absolutely think I'm a better human being than them.

[Annber03]

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

He's on a revenge tour and it will end badly but it will end. I hope I'm here to see it.

One would think he would've learned from all the other leaders before him whose arrogance and desire for revenge turned out to be their downfall...

...but that would require Trump to actually, y'know, be smart enough to learn anything in the first place, so...scratch that. 

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

I, on the other hand, am tired of being told by the kind of people who joined the 'Freedom' Convoy that they know more about everything than the people who studied for years and then spent even more years working in their chosen fields.  I do not feel shamed because I can acknowledge that I don't have expertise in most fields and am prepared to let those who do do their jobs. 

Good lord, this. I think we DESPERATELY need to introduce people to the concept that it is okay to admit you don't know everything about everything. It is okay, when you don't know enough about a particular topic, to just...be quiet and let the people who actually DO know what they're talking about have the floor. We need to value experience and knoweledge and intelligence again. 

24 minutes ago, Dimity said:

In a rally this past summer Trump, taking a leaf right out of the Nazi playbook, called migrants "animals" and "not human".  But sure I guess us calling out his supporters and using less than immaculate language is the real problem facing the US right now.

Like I said, I'll tone down my rhetoric when the right gets the same lecture to tone down theirs. I am beyond tired of trying to be nice and polite to bullies who want to strip people of their rights. 

[Dimity]

7 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

We need to value experience and knoweledge and intelligence again. 

So much this!  On a bright note in this regard in Ottawa the woman who was the face of Ottawa Public Health during the Covid pandemic - and who dealt with an absolute crapload of grief from those who figured they were so much smarter than she was, grief that included death threats,  was recently appointed as the new CEO of the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario.  So sometimes good people doing a hard job get rewarded.

I'm still waiting though for the day people like Trump get their comeuppance.  Dammit, I want a comeuppance!

[Bookworm 1979]

3 hours ago, PRgal said:

I'm going to come out and say this:  I am NOT left wing and probably lean right more than most of you.  But don't hate me, please.  

Thank you.

As someone who lives in Alberta, you do NOT want PP running this country. 

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, Dimity said:

 

I'm still waiting though for the day people like Trump get their comeuppance.  Dammit, I want a comeuppance!

It might not be comeuppance but he was rebuked.  The House passed the Bill to keep the government funded till March.  Without the provision eliminating the debt ceiling that Trump wanted.  Over 300 House members voted for it.  So that's going to be a lot of Republicans Musk is going to have fund primary challenges against.