S04.E08 Season Four Finale

[rmontro]

On 8/4/2024 at 7:32 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Is this going to be a situation like the MCU where they expect you to have seen all the movies and TV series in order to be current on what's canon? (Or what's no longer canon.) That's what killed the MCU for me because I couldn't keep up with it. Sure hope The Boys isn't making the same mistake.

That's why I quit reading The X-Men comic books.  In the '90s they became phenomenally popular and they gave the mutants a myriad of different books.  More characters, more teams, more comics.   It all became too much and too diluted, so I just dropped it all.

I do plan on watching Gen V though, or at least I'm going to give it a try.  So that doesn't really apply to me here.

[Morrigan2575]

On 8/23/2024 at 4:26 PM, rmontro said:

In the '90s they became phenomenally popular and they gave the mutants a myriad of different books.  More characters, more teams, more comics. 

I think there were maybe 8 or 9 X-titles 

X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor, Gen-X, Excalibur, Wolverine (2x/month) and Deadpool. 

I also collected New Warriors which was X-Men Adjacent. Plus I was buying the reprints from the 80s X-Men books...I miss comicbook Wednesday 😔

After awhile it did get to be too much

Edited September 14 by Morrigan2575

[Hanahope]

So i kindof thought the whole similarities of the politics of The Boys and real life a little too much.  There are other ways to make your point without hitting us over the head with a sledgehammer.

can't wait to see what form of power Ashley gets.  

I wasn't sure if Sage really knew about A-train or not.  i don't think she did, but she pretended she did and just bluffed to homelander.  there certainly did not seem to be any false info going to the boys, though they did not get all the info planned by sage.  

 

The big problem with the show is really what to do with Homelander.  Obviously its hard enough that a good 25% of supes are practically indestructible, but Homelander is virtually a god.  it does seem that there is just no way to neutralize him short of the virus that kills every single other supe and not every supe is bad (just 25% of them or so - or more realistically, 75% are amoral and don't give a crap either way, being bad is just easier, and 25% are decent people).  So how are they going to resolve this show in a palatable way that doesn't kill off the good people?  or do they have some other plan?  

[ahrtee]

1 hour ago, Hanahope said:

The big problem with the show is really what to do with Homelander.  Obviously its hard enough that a good 25% of supes are practically indestructible, but Homelander is virtually a god.  it does seem that there is just no way to neutralize him short of the virus that kills every single other supe and not every supe is bad (just 25% of them or so - or more realistically, 75% are amoral and don't give a crap either way, being bad is just easier, and 25% are decent people).  So how are they going to resolve this show in a palatable way that doesn't kill off the good people?  or do they have some other plan?  

I'm not sure who the 25% of good supes are, but it seems to me that the best way to handle all the supes (good and bad) would be to de-power everyone.  Then we'd be back to all-human status quo, with RL problems (as bad as they can be).  After all, I can't think of any reason why we should keep supes.  It's not like any of them have done anything to save anything, or even help make the world a better place.  They're not even as useful as Batman or Superman, who at least take out badguys. Take away the adoration of the public who play into their megalomania and see what happens next.  

Maybe SB could be the secret weapon.  

[shrewd.buddha]

On 9/17/2024 at 7:13 PM, ahrtee said:

I'm not sure who the 25% of good supes are, but it seems to me that the best way to handle all the supes (good and bad) would be to de-power everyone. 

That might be an interesting way to end things when the series concludes.
But it also makes one wonder why there never seems to be a group of supes who are actually good and want to help society.
I suppose that wouldn't be as exciting -- but it seems as if it would annoy Homelander and Vought Inc. to have some super-powered people who are selfless and working to help people during natural disasters, etc.
Or someone like Sage who could help to find cures for diseases, resolve middle east conflicts or find economic solutions. (If they are, indeed, the smartest of all.)

The most humane supe on the show seems to be Starlight - and even she seems to to be more interested in being a celebrity than contributing to society.

[roamyn]

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The most humane supe on the show seems to be Starlight - and even she seems to to be more interested in being a celebrity than contributing to society.

I wouldn't call her humane. The most human, yes.  But she was a bitch to Firecracker and her crap ass 'apology' - "we were just kids" - wasn't one.  Ask anyone who's ever been bullied.  Not only was it insincere, but the way it was given made it worse to Firecracker.   I'm not excusing FC for anything she's said or done, but just like kid HL, kid FC was damaged by her growing up experiences. 

She's indulged HL, had an ill rationed hatred toward SB, blamed & berated Hughie for sleeping (unknowingly) with the shifter, hasn't even offered any concern abt Hughie's multiple assaults, and whined abt her stage mother & being a pageant princess.  Boo hoo.  You were loved and not starving, beaten or sexually assaulted.

SL's also committed murder w/o remorse & admitted it (S2), and so have all the other Supes, including Kimiko who gleefully murdered those Vought security guys for doing their job, at the end of S3.  In fact, the only one I can think of to show remorse has been A-Train when he honestly felt contrite for what he did to Robin (S3).

I think this has to end with all Supes dead or depowered.  But if depowered by SB, what do you then do with him?

I wonder if Kessler will be back in Butcher's brain in S5?  All three Winchesters...eek!  Just need to sign Gil (Henry Winchester) now to make it the family business again.  LOL

 

[ahrtee]

22 hours ago, roamyn said:

I think this has to end with all Supes dead or depowered.  But if depowered by SB, what do you then do with him?

I wonder if Kessler will be back in Butcher's brain in S5?  All three Winchesters...eek!  Just need to sign Gil (Henry Winchester) now to make it the family business again.  LOL

SB can explode, and take all the supes (or at least their powers) with him.  Maybe wipe everyone's memory so they are never remembered (or mourned.)  That seems a fitting end to them all.  

What about Mary Winchester?  (Though, granted, she's only a Winchester by marriage...)  

[roamyn]

20 hours ago, ahrtee said:

What about Mary Winchester?  (Though, granted, she's only a Winchester

She'd probably just leave the men any ways.  That's all she ever did.

[Hanahope]

I thought Starlight was sexually assaulted by aqua guy in S1.

[roamyn]

On 10/8/2024 at 7:27 PM, Hanahope said:

I thought Starlight was sexually assaulted by aqua guy in S1.

She was.  But she didn't give Hughie any empathy or understanding when it happened to him - TWICE.