Season Six: Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes...

[Xeliou66]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Seem to end abruptly, as if it cut lines, so there can be more commercials.

Speaking of this season, watching "World's Fair" as I type, and it has been said a lot, but there should be a contest about which character is the most disgusting. A bunch of horrible people. (Minus the victims.)

Still, Logan slamming his fist near that racist's hand is always worth a watch.

World’s Fair is my favorite episode of season 6, felt like classic CI with an interesting case and lots of despicable people. I did sort of like the uncle of the boyfriend that got killed by the father, the one who took a baseball bat to the Muslim families store, I can’t blame him for doing that, I might’ve done the same. 

[WendyCR72]

"Bedfellows" is on now, the "Strangers On A Train"-themed episode. You know, the one with "MY ADLAAAAAI!!!" Rip Torn does a good job, but I CANNOT STAND his character and his blatant favoritism. First, between his sons and then doing it again with his grandsons. I wouldn't be surprised if the unfavored kid would grow up and later become a suspect for offing his dear ol' granddad in a rage.

Always found it ironic that the "favored son", Adlai, had the mess of a wife, Charlene. (I remember the actress both from S5 in "Slither" and later, in S7's "Reunion", too.)

[Maherjunkie]

See I thought 5 sucked and 6 brought it back to life.

[Sigmagirl]

I always felt sorry for Charlene. She was cheating on Adlai but she had mental and emotional problems that were not her fault, and Lena exploited and provoked them while looking like the “Red Cross.”

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, Maherjunkie said:

See I thought 5 sucked and 6 brought it back to life.

Why did you think 5 sucked and 6 was good? I thought 5 had some awesome episodes, whereas in 6 the show became a soap opera with the god awful Goren family stories, plus Eames’ kidnapping and Logan’s neighbor, also the camera styles were frequently quite bizarre, as were the music montages, and the storylines overall were just predictable and not nearly as compelling as 1-5. 5 is one of my favorite seasons.

[Maherjunkie]

Five  was just turgid for Goren and Eames.  Slow, dull.  I enjoyed the things you hate even if some were cheesy or extreme.

[Maherjunkie]

And anything that gets emotion out of Logan is instant orgasm for me.

[WendyCR72]

On 5/23/2018 at 4:11 PM, Sigmagirl said:

I always felt sorry for Charlene. She was cheating on Adlai but she had mental and emotional problems that were not her fault, and Lena exploited and provoked them while looking like the “Red Cross.”

I always wondered if the rat bastard grandfather would end up suing her for custody because the kid had Adlaaaaaaaai's! blood. Whereas he didn't give two craps for Ted's kid.

[Sigmagirl]

After he turned on Lena I would hope he realized that she had engineered the whole thing, and gotten her the help she needed. Maybe he set up a trust for them. Or am I being an optimist?

[Xeliou66]

On 5/23/2018 at 10:28 PM, Maherjunkie said:

Five  was just turgid for Goren and Eames.  Slow, dull.  I enjoyed the things you hate even if some were cheesy or extreme.

I thought Goren and Eames had a lot of strong episodes in season 5, although the Logan/Barek episodes were slightly stronger overall. But this discussion is probably for the season 5 thread. 

Season 6 is my least favorite of the show because of the extensive soapy elements and the weird directions and weak cases. Logan again had the better episodes IMO, but I hated the Lifetime movie episode about his neighbor. 

On 5/23/2018 at 2:50 AM, WendyCR72 said:

"Bedfellows" is on now, the "Strangers On A Train"-themed episode. You know, the one with "MY ADLAAAAAI!!!" Rip Torn does a good job, but I CANNOT STAND his character and his blatant favoritism. First, between his sons and then doing it again with his grandsons. I wouldn't be surprised if the unfavored kid would grow up and later become a suspect for offing his dear ol' granddad in a rage.

Always found it ironic that the "favored son", Adlai, had the mess of a wife, Charlene. (I remember the actress both from S5 in "Slither" and later, in S7's "Reunion", too.)

I hate that piece of shit father as well, the way he only liked one son and especially grandson was despicable! He reminded me of the mother in Beast who only liked the one daughter and insulted the other one constantly, or the parents from Saving Face who didn’t give a fuck about their daughter and only cared about the memory of their dead son. 

[WendyCR72]

"Brother's Keeper" is on USA tonight (along with two other episodes). I sometimes wonder if some synopses are just wrong or if they get changed somewhere along the way . The synopsis for this episode always says how Bobby runs into his brother while visiting their mother at the hospital.

As we know, Bobby first ran into Frank at the soup kitchen line, not the hospital.

Then there's that synopsis of a Wheeler episode where she looks into criminal activities her father was involved in, which never even was referred to...

[Maherjunkie]

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I thought Goren and Eames had a lot of strong episodes in season 5, although the Logan/Barek episodes were slightly stronger overall. But this discussion is probably for the season 5 thread. 

I thought Vacancy was the worst.

[Sigmagirl]

I’m with you. I like Season Five, but Vacancy is the weakest entry.

[Xeliou66]

I must be the only person here who likes Vacancy, I thought it was a solid episode and I love the extremely creept, atmospheric feel of its opening. 

[Maherjunkie]

I don't remember that.  Could you refresh me on that episode?

[Xeliou66]

Which episode are we talking about? 

[Maherjunkie]

The one Kamal above me mentioned re Wheeler.

[Xeliou66]

Oh yeah, World’s Fair. Like I said before, that’s the best season 6 episode IMO. I thought it was fine how they re-enacted the crime to get the worthless brother to confess and it provided great scenery in front of the sculpture. 

[WendyCR72]

"World's Fair" was like a "Who's Who" of most vile individuals. I did feel sorry for maybe Mina's mother and the uncle of Mina's fiancé, Rudy, that Mina's brother also killed. The rest were total trash.

[Xeliou66]

Meena’s brother didn’t kill Rudy, her father did. 

Yeah, I felt sorry for Meena’s mom, and I kind of liked Rudy’s uncle, but everyone else was a piece of shit. Good episode though, like I say, it felt like classic CI, without the weird shit that plagued season 6, a classic CI case with a lot of evil people and it was one of Logan’s best CI episodes as well, I loved seeing his angry passion. 

[WendyCR72]

On 6/23/2018 at 12:27 AM, Xeliou66 said:

Meena’s brother didn’t kill Rudy, her father did. 

Yeah, I felt sorry for Meena’s mom, and I kind of liked Rudy’s uncle, but everyone else was a piece of shit. Good episode though, like I say, it felt like classic CI, without the weird shit that plagued season 6, a classic CI case with a lot of evil people and it was one of Logan’s best CI episodes as well, I loved seeing his angry passion. 

True. But he did helped to facilitate the murder with his lie. So I hold him just as responsible for Rudy's death. If he hadn't instigated everything, I don't think the father would have had to shoot.

[WendyCR72]

I know this show, as well as the rest of the franchise (and a ton of other such shows), loved to recycle actors, but it hit me as I was watching today's marathon, specifically, "Bedfellows", how often some actors were used. Carrie Preston, who appeared all the way back in S2, then again in S4, and again in S6. The actress playing Preston's boozy sister-in-law, Charlene, also appeared in S5 and would then show up the following season (S7) in a Logan/Wheeler episode.

It's nice that they come back, but you'd think it would have been spaced out. Shrug.

But then, Carlos Leon was basically the same, too. He appeared in S2 and there was actually many seasons until he popped up again in S6...only to pop up yet again in S7, too.

At least Betty Gilpin spaced her appearances out. I think she was also in the same S2 episode Leon was in ("Best Defense", as the woman who came home after being with a  guy that smoked cigars that Bobby remarked about; if it wasn't her, they looked alike!), then S6 "War At Home"), and then in S8 ("Playing Dead").

[WendyCR72]

Out with Rene Balcer and Deakins, in with Warren Leight and Ross. Not to mention, Logan gets [another!] new partner...

[GHScorpiosRule]

59 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Out with Rene Balcer and Deakins, in with Warren Leight and Ross. Not to mention, Logan gets [another!] new partner...

BOOOOOOOI!!!

Also Carver leaves and we get ASSHOLE ROSS!

Edited January 10 by GHScorpiosRule

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

BOOOOOOOI!!!

Also Carver leaves and we get ASSHOLE ROSS!

Well, I did mention Ross, but you covered the overall description well. LOL!

[Xeliou66]

As I’ve said before, I loathe a lot of season 6 and I loathe the changes that came with it - Deakins replaced by asshat Ross, Carver gone with no explanation and the legal stuff vanishing along with him, the style changes to make the show more melodramatic and introducing soapy stuff, taking away Goren’s mojo and giving him a bunch of baggage, Wheeler was dull as dirt etc.

For some reason they completely changed the show to try to make it more “trendy” it seems and the show lost its magic. 

[peacheslatour]

47 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

As I’ve said before, I loathe a lot of season 6 and I loathe the changes that came with it - Deakins replaced by asshat Ross, Carver gone with no explanation and the legal stuff vanishing along with him, the style changes to make the show more melodramatic and introducing soapy stuff, taking away Goren’s mojo and giving him a bunch of baggage, Wheeler was dull as dirt etc.

For some reason they completely changed the show to try to make it more “trendy” it seems and the show lost its magic. 

Oh and those stupid pop songs at beginning of each episode. Some of them were good songs but when you heard them, you knew it was going to be a shitty episode.

[Xeliou66]

4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Oh and those stupid pop songs at beginning of each episode. Some of them were good songs but when you heard them, you knew it was going to be a shitty episode.

Yep, again an attempt to make the show more “trendy”. It was stupid what they did, the show lost its uniqueness and just became a soapy mess.

[WendyCR72]

4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Oh and those stupid pop songs at beginning of each episode. Some of them were good songs but when you heard them, you knew it was going to be a shitty episode.

I don't know; I did like "Albatross", the episode where the Congresswoman tried to have her hubby whacked during that historical duel reenactment.

And "Privilege", where Goren told the scumbag son trying to let his mother die via neglect for the money to "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!"

They both had popular music, but I thought those episodes were pretty good.

[Xeliou66]

5 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I don't know; I did like "Albatross", the episode where the Congresswoman tried to have her hubby whacked during that historical duel reenactment.

And "Privilege", where Goren told the scumbag son trying to let his mother die via neglect for the money to "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!"

They both had popular music, but I thought those episodes were pretty good.

The 3 episode run of World’s Fair, Privilege and Albatross are the best part of season 6 of CI. Those were 3 strong episodes, more in line with classic CI than the soapy mess the rest of the season was.

[peacheslatour]

Oh, I agree, as I said, they were good songs but I always got a sinking feeling except for Albatross, that was a good episode.

[Xeliou66]

Season 6 started last night on Charge, and it’s amazing how far the show fell from greatness this season. Why they tampered with the formula is beyond me - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And Ross was such an epic shithead, from his very first scene - I watched Blind Spot last night and Ross was condescending and an ass to Goren/Eames right off the bat, not to mention he put down Deakins with his line that Deakins might’ve let Gage run all over the place or however he said it. And then in episode 2 what was the deal when Ross mentioned Barek? It implied Logan/Barek were on bad terms when she left but they weren’t. That didn’t make sense. And Wheeler had the personality of a lump of coal. Plus Carver vanished with no explanation, that sucked, although given how they sometimes trashed characters when they left maybe it’s for the best he didn’t get an exit story - I still dislike how they did Deakins exit. 
And I thought they really missed an opportunity in Blind Spot when they were searching for Eames, Logan should’ve appeared - the whole squad was running around frantic, it would’ve been awesome to see Goren/Logan work together once again. That would’ve salvaged that episode. Only thing I like about Blind Spot is how Eames managed to rescue herself after her abduction, Eames was awesome and I liked that she didn’t need the others to save her. Other than that it was a poor episode that marked the beginning of CI becoming a weaker show, they didn’t fully bounce back until season 10.

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Season 6 started last night on Charge, and it’s amazing how far the show fell from greatness this season. Why they tampered with the formula is beyond me - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And Ross was such an epic shithead, from his very first scene - I watched Blind Spot last night and Ross was condescending and an ass to Goren/Eames right off the bat, not to mention he put down Deakins with his line that Deakins might’ve let Gage run all over the place or however he said it. And then in episode 2 what was the deal when Ross mentioned Barek? It implied Logan/Barek were on bad terms when she left but they weren’t. That didn’t make sense. And Wheeler had the personality of a lump of coal. Plus Carver vanished with no explanation, that sucked, although given how they sometimes trashed characters when they left maybe it’s for the best he didn’t get an exit story - I still dislike how they did Deakins exit. 
And I thought they really missed an opportunity in Blind Spot when they were searching for Eames, Logan should’ve appeared - the whole squad was running around frantic, it would’ve been awesome to see Goren/Logan work together once again. That would’ve salvaged that episode. Only thing I like about Blind Spot is how Eames managed to rescue herself after her abduction, Eames was awesome and I liked that she didn’t need the others to save her. Other than that it was a poor episode that marked the beginning of CI becoming a weaker show, they didn’t fully bounce back until season 10.

Right. I only watch that episode to watch VDO's reactions to Jo. You can see the emotions chasing each other across his face and in his eyes. Pity, revulsion, comprehension and finally deep sorrow and acceptance. He's a fascinating actor.

[Xeliou66]

26 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Right. I only watch that episode to watch VDO's reactions to Jo. You can see the emotions chasing each other across his face and in his eyes. Pity, revulsion, comprehension and finally deep sorrow and acceptance. He's a fascinating actor.

I hate all of the baggage they gave Goren starting this season, and especially how they started making Goren out to be someone despised by the higher ups - that made no sense to me, after all of the big cases Goren had solved it seems like he would’ve been loved by the higher ups. Goren seemed to lose his liveliness and mojo for the most part and carried around heavy baggage instead. Made the show a lot less enjoyable. Like I said, the show really went downhill this season and didn’t recover until season 10.

[peacheslatour]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I hate all of the baggage they gave Goren starting this season, and especially how they started making Goren out to be someone despised by the higher ups - that made no sense to me, after all of the big cases Goren had solved it seems like he would’ve been loved by the higher ups. Goren seemed to lose his liveliness and mojo for the most part and carried around heavy baggage instead. Made the show a lot less enjoyable. Like I said, the show really went downhill this season and didn’t recover until season 10.

I have no idea what they were thinking. All  know is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. They really fucked up there.

[ML89]

On 2/18/2024 at 12:40 PM, Xeliou66 said:

And I thought they really missed an opportunity in Blind Spot when they were searching for Eames, Logan should’ve appeared - the whole squad was running around frantic, it would’ve been awesome to see Goren/Logan work together once again. That would’ve salvaged that episode. Only thing I like about Blind Spot is how Eames managed to rescue herself after her abduction, Eames was awesome and I liked that she didn’t need the others to save her.

Yes to all this! Even a mention of Logan being assigned something would have been nice. Because I can't imagine he was sitting at his desk while all this was going on. Eames is awesome in this one but still...so many missed opportunities.

 

On 2/18/2024 at 12:40 PM, Xeliou66 said:

And then in episode 2 what was the deal when Ross mentioned Barek? It implied Logan/Barek were on bad terms when she left but they weren’t. That didn’t make sense. And Wheeler had the personality of a lump of coal.

YES to this too. We have no idea where Barek went (and then we find out years later on SVU or do they even explain it?), and yes, Wheeler has the personality of a lump of coal is a perfect description. Barek and Logan were interesting together and Logan with Falacci had some definite fire, but Wheeler was just there on the screen. 

[Xeliou66]

9 minutes ago, ML89 said:

Yes to all this! Even a mention of Logan being assigned something would have been nice. Because I can't imagine he was sitting at his desk while all this was going on. Eames is awesome in this one but still...so many missed opportunities.

 

YES to this too. We have no idea where Barek went (and then we find out years later on SVU or do they even explain it?), and yes, Wheeler has the personality of a lump of coal is a perfect description. Barek and Logan were interesting together and Logan with Falacci had some definite fire, but Wheeler was just there on the screen. 

Yeah the whole squad was scrambling when Eames was missing, Logan really should’ve appeared or at least been mentioned as doing something to assist. It would’ve salvaged the episode if Goren/Logan got to work together again. Only thing I like about Blind Spot is Eames rescuing herself, Eames is awesome - the rest of the episode sucked and marked the beginning of CI’s downfall, starting with Ross being a shithead from his very first scene.

They never explicitly explained where Barek went immediately after leaving Major Case on SVU. It was very weird how Logan kind of rolled his eyes after Ross mentioned Barek, and that was never explained. I liked Barek okay, and I liked Falacci as well, but Wheeler did nothing for me, dull as dirt. 

[Xeliou66]

Renewal is on now, this is one of the oddest episodes in the L&O franchise - I have no idea why they did the subplot about Logan and his neighbor - really strange. The main case about the girl who was a fugitive and assumed an identity and killed her boyfriend when he figured it out was interesting, but it was bogged down by the soapy Logan melodrama that really didn’t go anywhere and was never mentioned again. I did love how Logan mentioned Lennie Briscoe and that he still saw Lennie alive in his dreams. And it was nice seeing Eames assist with the arrest at the end. But it just felt really odd to have the Logan stuff going on in the background with the other case.

Edited April 16 by Xeliou66