Survivor 45: Spoilers & Speculation

[TVFan1]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

Curiosity has the better of me if Bruce might be the next one to go.  If the spoilers we have are correct then:

Julie and Jake make the finale, with Jake being a zero vote getter

There's a female winner that isn't Julie or Kellie

They didn't rule out Katurah and I think said it could be her, Kendra, Emily, or Dee

And that Kaleb and Bruce "did fine, made the merge".  I know this source was asked about those two, but they've been vague about anyone else's placements.  Since Kaleb left tonight, I wonder if maybe Bruce is next?

Wasn't there a spoiler about a tribe being decimated by Final 8 or something along those lines? It would be shocking (in a good way) if Emily actually won this whole game. I could see any one of Katurah, Kendra, or Dee winning this.

[LadyChatts]

15 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Wasn't there a spoiler about a tribe being decimated by Final 8 or something along those lines? It would be shocking (in a good way) if Emily actually won this whole game. I could see any one of Katurah, Kendra, or Dee winning this.

I forgot about that.  I remember this source said a tribe got decimated, but I can't remember where I heard the final 8 part from.  TBH, I think Emily may be getting set up for her exit by putting her faith in Austin/Drew.  She seemed to dismiss Kaleb tonight after the previous TC, but I don't think she's as close with the two guys as she thinks she is.  I'm actually impressed if the Reba 4 are managing to keep it under wraps about how tight they are.  Emily going anytime soon would be kind of interesting, because I would wonder what leads to it.  It seems like she should be in a good position, unless she talks too much and gets the target moved onto herself.  Nothing in the previews for next week indicated anything; we only saw the girls saying that they outnumber the men, and Jake looking for an idol and seeming a little worried.  I have a feeling it might be a predictable boot.  I'd be happy if it were Bruce, but he's driving everyone crazy so I don't think that would be a huge shock to anyone but him.

I also agree that if she somehow won this game that would be pretty incredible, considering she was a dead woman walking at that first TC until Hannah quit.  And if Sabiyah had it her way, she would have gotten rid of her over Brandon at the next TC.

One thing that kind of makes me potentially rule out Katurah is that she's been pretty vocal on SM about her edit and Bruce, and talking about the show.  I don't think she's given spoilers away, but she's had stuff that she posted and either took down or was told to take down.  If she won, I feel like she might seriously be jeopardizing that.  

 

[LadyChatts]

So here's what we have left that hasn't happened yet:

Julie, Austin, and Jake make the finale.

Julie does not make the final 3

Jake is in the final 3 but receives no votes

One of Kendra, Dee, Katurah, or Emily wins

There's no medevacs (could still happen)

No idea where Bruce or Drew end up, or where the ladies who don't make the finale place. 

Of the potential winners picks, it would have to be between Dee and Emily right?  I don't see how Katurah could win with the edit she's getting.

Edited November 23, 2023 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

So here's what we have left that hasn't happened yet:

Julie, Austin, and Jake make the finale.

Julie does not make the final 3

Jake is in the final 3 but receives no votes

One of Kendra, Dee, Katurah, or Emily wins

There's no medevacs (could still happen)

No idea where Bruce or Drew end up, or where the ladies who don't make the finale place. 

Of the potential winners picks, it would have to be between Dee and Emily right?  I don't see how Katurah could win with the edit she's getting.

I would put my money on Dee winning. The reason why is because of the "one tribe gets decimated" at or around the final 8. That could still be a rumor and Emily does actually win. Honestly, that would be so much better than having one of the Reba 4 winning especially Drew and Austin. Dee is tolerable and I wouldn't mind her winning.

At this point in the game, I can seriously see why Jake gets no votes at the Final Tribal Council. Nobody is scared to go to the final 3 with him. Who could Jake even beat?

[LadyChatts]

2 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

I would put my money on Dee winning. The reason why is because of the "one tribe gets decimated" at or around the final 8. That could still be a rumor and Emily does actually win. Honestly, that would be so much better than having one of the Reba 4 winning especially Drew and Austin. Dee is tolerable and I wouldn't mind her winning.

At this point in the game, I can seriously see why Jake gets no votes at the Final Tribal Council. Nobody is scared to go to the final 3 with him. Who could Jake even beat?

I was wondering why Jake was a no vote getter, but after tonight it makes sense.  No one’s taking him seriously, he’s expendable, and he even admits his read on the game is horrible.  And now he’s flipping to Reba because, like Katurah, he has no where else to go (unlike Katurah, his reasons don’t seem petty).

I think next week is a make or break episode for Emily.  She’s planning a big move, but I can’t tell if it gets leaked or if the preview is misleading.  We saw a shot of Katurah talking to Julie and then the scene with Drew and Jake.  That scene, however, didn’t seem to end well, so if Jake shared information with Drew to help him out he might regret it.  I also can’t see a universe where Katurah wants to work with Bruce and potentially side with Emily and Jake to blindside a Reba member.  
 

I also can’t see where Katurah wins.  Her whole edit has been about Bruce and now openly saying she’d be the fifth wheel in an alliance if it meant other people went out first.  Dee I think has the best edit so far for a winner, but I think I need to see what happens with Emily next week.  Even if she succeeds in getting Drew out it may be a short lived victory.  I think it will take some careful strategy for this to happen.

ETA: and I saw on Sucks that apparently they changed the "one tribe gets decimated" to them hearing that one tribe was horrible.  So maybe not all is lost for Emily?

Edited November 23, 2023 by LadyChatts

[Lady Calypso]

8 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

The reason why is because of the "one tribe gets decimated" at or around the final 8.

That would mean Emily would need to be one of the next two boots, and that thought is just impossible for me.

I do think Dee wins, though. She's been getting that winner's edit, at least to me. And if Drew is the next one to go (with next week's preview and Drew finally getting some heat on him, I think it's likely he can be the next boot with Bruce probably having to play his idol), I can see Dee cruising to the end. I can also see Dee flat out just winning immunities to keep herself safe. 

My thought process is that the boot order will go roughly like this:

F8: Drew goes. Bruce loses immunity and force plays his idol to keep himself safe, and this is the time where Jake/Bruce/Katurah/Emily strike against Reba 4. Maybe one of Reba 4 flips on Drew, maybe one of them loses their vote, or maybe they're genuinely blindsided. 

F7: Bruce goes. I think I find it hard to see Emily going before Bruce, so I see him going here with no more idol. Maybe Katurah is the cause of him going, as well? Though everyone wants him out, so it's a moot point.

F6: Emily goes (she probably tries to finally make a move against Reba 4 and they take her out instead). 

F5: Austin goes (Dee probably wins immunity and Dee/Julie/Katurah decide to vote together). 

F4: Julie loses fire making to either Dee or Katurah (Jake's being dragged to F3 as a goat, that much is clear).

F3: Dee wins probably near unanimously, at this rate. 

I agree, Katurah's not getting a winner's edit. I also can't see what votes she does get if she's in F3 with Dee/Jake and Jake gets no votes. 

[LadyChatts]

Even though I don't believe this will happen (and I'll strongly emphasize I don't think it will), I'm going to put it out there anyway-what if Dee is actually the next boot?  We've seen her name thrown out there several times, she's coming across as very confident in her standing (which in the past usually means doom for that person), and she's clearly running the Reba alliance so she's seen as a threat.  Next week there was a shot in the preview of her and Austin walking in the woods together (I think it's rumored they had a showmance), so maybe that's build-up to her feeling confident or someone like Katurah opening their eyes and realizing they don't really want to play for fifth, even if it means working with Bruce for one vote.  There was also the scene between Drew and Jake, but maybe Jake is telling Drew that so an idol will get misplayed on him.  Drew might worry about Bruce's idol coming into play, or someone playing another successful SITD and he'll go by default.  But switch the target from Dee to Drew and Austin may not think about putting an idol on her.

However, if it is a Drew boot I wonder if maybe someone from Reba is on it.  Last week there was talk about idols and then Dee's paranoia about getting Kendra out.  Maybe that's foreshadowing to Drew losing it because his name is out there.  If Dee/Austin/Julie feel like they have Katurah and Jake they may not feel like they need Drew.  And I'm not saying all 3 would flip on him, but maybe one of them does.

 

[TVFan1]

There is some speculation that Drew is the next boot next episode. I would love to see this happen. 

As a side note: The wording of the spoiler that the Lulu tribe getting decimated changed to One of the tribes is a mess and gets decimated. Then edited to add on that they were told that one of the tribes is a mess. Nothing more about Emily going out at or around Final 8. Maybe Emily does go futher than Final 8. Her winning would be one of the most satisfying endings to a boring and predictible season.

Edited November 24, 2023 by TVFan1

[LadyChatts]

2 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

There is some speculation that Drew is the next boot next episode. I would love to see this happen. 

As a side note: The wording of the spoiler that the Lulu tribe getting decimated changed to One of the tribes is a mess and gets decimated. Then edited to add on that they were told that one of the tribes is a mess. Nothing more about Emily going out at or around Final 8. Maybe Emily does go futher than Final 8. Her winning would be one of the most satisfying endings to a boring and predictible season.

I’d love to see it happen, but not if he sees it coming.  That takes the fun away.  I’d rather see his arrogant ass be blindsided in a big way, especially because his name hasn’t been out there yet (despite him probably thinking he’s a threat).  
 

I will admit I’m curious how it happens if it does, however.  Unless Bruce loses immunity and the Reba 4 + Katurah and maybe Jake feel confident he won’t play his idol some reason.  Or maybe they put the vote on Emily and he plays it for her, and they don’t split the vote.  

I do think there’s a possible path for Emily to win, and that’s why I think this episode might be the make or break for her.  I actually don’t think this season has been that bad at all, but if the Reba 4 just get a steam roll (thanks in part to game manipulations), it’s going to go down hill fast.  Especially when you have Katurah whose willing to play for 5th.  

Edited November 24, 2023 by LadyChatts

[LadyChatts]

So apparently, a video got leaked of this week's boot.

It's Bruce.  I don't know how, but someone has a video of the final words and votes.  Bruce left with his idol, and got votes from Emily, Katurah, Julie, and Jake.  Bruce voted for Julie, and Austin, Drew, and Dee voted for Jake.  I don't know where the person got this from or if it's some clever form of fanfic (pretty clever if true).  But Reba 4 is really going to run this aren't they?  I assume they were in on the Bruce vote and just split it in case of an idol play.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MAussAabj6w

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpoiledSurvivor/comments/186h3d5/45boot_is_confirmed_to_go_next/

ETA: the Youtube video has since been set to private.  I'm going to guess this was a leak on CBS's end somewhere and this person got to it.  I'm still holding out hope that somehow we're getting punked and Drew goes tonight.  

Edited November 29, 2023 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

31 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

So apparently, a video got leaked of this week's boot.

It's Bruce.  I don't know how, but someone has a video of the final words and votes.  Bruce left with his idol, and got votes from Emily, Katurah, Julie, and Jake.  Bruce voted for Julie, and Austin, Drew, and Dee voted for Jake.  I don't know where the person got this from or if it's some clever form of fanfic (pretty clever if true).  But Reba 4 is really going to run this aren't they?  I assume they were in on the Bruce vote and just split it in case of an idol play.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MAussAabj6w

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpoiledSurvivor/comments/186h3d5/45boot_is_confirmed_to_go_next/

Very surprising Bruce doesn't play his idol. You would think he would play it as soon as he wasn't immune anymore no matter what the other players were telling him. Another episode of the Reba 4 keeping their alliance intact. Bleh.

[LadyChatts]

18 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Very surprising Bruce doesn't play his idol. You would think he would play it as soon as he wasn't immune anymore no matter what the other players were telling him. Another episode of the Reba 4 keeping their alliance intact. Bleh.

Yeah and the fact that he voted for Julie of all people and was the only one.  So what kind of a story did they make up to make him feel that safe?  
 

So basically Reba (and Austin’s 2 idols) go into the final 7 with numbers to officially run the game, leaving three people in the minority who think they are with them.  This season started off promising but these stupid twists of limiting who can vote and be voted for really ruined the end game of any strategic play.

[LadyChatts]

I really hope the previews aren’t misleading and Julie plots Drew’s demise next week.  Somehow I don’t think I’ll be that lucky.

At this point, it’s feel like it’s Dee’s to lose.  I feel like tonight might start Emily’s downfall.  I know she had a big episode but I just don’t know that I see her pulling off a win, maybe because getting rid of Bruce wasn’t a good move in the long run for her.  She still seems like she has a little too much faith in Austin/Drew even if she is a little suspicious of their ties to Dee.  I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong though, she’d be a great winner.
 

It’s also rumored that Jake may not be a zero vote getter after all.  I honestly have no idea who the heck would vote for him, but I can definitely see how he loses.  

Edited November 30, 2023 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

It's been rumored that the final 5 is Dee, Austin, Jake, Katurah, and Julie. Some suspect that Drew goes out next, then Emily at Final 6. That is what I'm thinking too.

[Nashville]

11 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I feel like tonight might start Emily’s downfall.

Wouldn’t surprise me; the more Emily tries to take credit for Bruce’s elimination to pad her game resume, the bigger the target she will be painting on her own back.

[LadyChatts]

1 hour ago, Nashville said:

Wouldn’t surprise me; the more Emily tries to take credit for Bruce’s elimination to pad her game resume, the bigger the target she will be painting on her own back.

When she said that she hoped people would look at her move of getting Bruce out as great and credit her with that, I knew then she was probably done.  This was her big moment and now she has nowhere to go.  She's officially in the minority with numbers, even if she doesn't seem to realize that (and to be fair, I don't know if Katurah really does either).  Both those ladies think that they are with Reba, and I've thought for a while that Emily is banking too much on Austin/Drew's loyalty.  Now this week she may have broken trust with Drew by telling Jake his name was being thrown out there.  I know we didn't see Jake tell Drew it came from Emily, but it will probably get back to him if it hadn't already.

Also, assuming Drew is the next to go (I feel like that might be too obvious based on the promo), that might further hurt Emily's game if she's a part of that or if she's left out.  

3 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

It's been rumored that the final 5 is Dee, Austin, Jake, Katurah, and Julie. Some suspect that Drew goes out next, then Emily at Final 6. That is what I'm thinking too.

I know the person that posted this (the same spoiler source for the season) claims they don't remember telling anyone this, but I think it's very plausible.  Assuming Emily proves me wrong just switch her out with Dee and I think it'll still be the same final 5.  We know that Austin, Jake, and Julie make it, so that just leaves the fate of Dee, Emily, or Katurah (at least one of them has to be there since they are the three left that are possible winners), and Drew.  Personally, I think Emily overplays her hand or maybe has already done so and is one of the next two to go.  I don't know that Katurah is seen as a threat so she might be someone they drag along.

[Lady Calypso]

13 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I really hope the previews aren’t misleading and Julie plots Drew’s demise next week.  Somehow I don’t think I’ll be that lucky.

Well, it's either Emily or Drew next, given the F5 spoilers, if they're accurate. Part of me wishes it was Katurah going next instead, though, and Emily slips into F3. Alas, I don't think so, or else she'd win. That, and favourites like Emily who are edited well always lose. See: Carolyn last season, Jesse the previous season, etc. 

It's a shame but at least we got Emily AND we got a fully fledged storyline for her, coupled with pretty much a redemption arc in pre-merge. 

1 minute ago, LadyChatts said:

Now this week she may have broken trust with Drew by telling Jake his name was being thrown out there.  I know we didn't see Jake tell Drew it came from Emily, but it will probably get back to him if it hadn't already.

Maybe not. Jake seemed willing to NOT give Drew that information. I think Jake's realized that he can't be throwing other people under the bus to people he now can't trust. Maybe Drew finds out this week anyway, or maybe he doesn't. I don't think that's a factor in Emily going. I think other factors are in play. Maybe they see Emily as someone with a damn good story and they can't let her get to the end. I mean, look at the options for non-Reba members if Drew goes next. Jake's a goat, Katurah has no resume beyond hating Bruce, so Emily is the logical person to be taken out next. And with Drew going, who might have been Emily's biggest ally (who knew?), she has nobody left vouching for her.

[Diana Berry]

Will the finale be in the studio or the island ?

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, Diana Berry said:

Will the finale be in the studio or the island ?

I think finales will be on the island for the foreseeable future.  

[LadyChatts]

So here's an interesting development about Julie-she might not be in the final 5  after all.  I got this from Reddit, but supposedly the spoiler source (Robot) DMed a poster at Sucks (anthony) saying they weren’t sure now about her.  I could actually believe it based on her edit and the previews next week, but I wonder if that means Emily or Drew takes her place.  

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpoiledSurvivor/comments/189ndvq/45speculation_update_on_robots_f5/  

Edited December 4, 2023 by LadyChatts

[Diana Berry]

About the dee/Austin showmance/romance, she did a q/a  on her IG stories. Someone asked if she would date Austin, she said hahaha I can neither confirm or deny. 

[Lady Calypso]

On 12/3/2023 at 4:37 PM, LadyChatts said:

I could actually believe it based on her edit and the previews next week, but I wonder if that means Emily or Drew takes her place.  

If this is true, I'd expect it to be Emily, since she's one of the few women left who still have been theorized to win. Not sure how accurate THAT is, but at least it gives someone who isn't Dee a chance to win. 

 

[LadyChatts]

Well, I'm guessing the final 5 of Austin, Julie, Dee, Katurah, and Jake is probably going to be accurate.  Drew likely played himself out of the game by trying to make a move.  Dee and Julie may come after him and get Jake and Katurah on their side.  The question is, will they try to play dumb like everything's fine, or will they let Austin in on the plan?  Or will they just not care since Drew really can't do anything anyway, unless he somehow gets Jake and Katurah to force a tie at TC.  There's a shot of Dee in the previews next week in a TH, saying that you can't let your emotions get to you in this game.  Maybe she's afraid Austin will play his idol for Drew if she tells him they want to target him.  I suppose there's a chance that Julie goes and Drew makes the final 5, but right now I think that's slim.  

And I can't see how Dee doesn't win at this point.  I think Emily was her only solid competition.  She's making moves, she has people who want her loyalty and trust (enough to blow up their own games), she gets people to do what she wants, she has people wrapped around her finger.  I'm not mad at it, I think she deserves it.

Edited December 7, 2023 by LadyChatts

[TVFan1]

2 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Well, I'm guessing the final 5 of Austin, Julie, Dee, Katurah, and Jake is probably going to be accurate.  Drew likely played himself out of the game by trying to make a move.  Dee and Julie may come after him and get Jake and Katurah on their side.  The question is, will they try to play dumb like everything's fine, or will they let Austin in on the plan?  Or will they just not care since Drew really can't do anything anyway, unless he somehow gets Jake and Katurah to force a tie at TC.  There's a shot of Dee in the previews next week in a TH, saying that you can't let your emotions get to you in this game.  Maybe she's afraid Austin will play his idol for Drew if she tells him they want to target him.  I suppose there's a chance that Julie goes and Drew makes the final 5, but right now I think that's slim.  

And I can't see how Dee doesn't win at this point.  I think Emily was her only solid competition.  She's making moves, she has people who want her loyalty and trust (enough to blow up their own games), she gets people to do what she wants, she has people wrapped around her finger.  I'm not mad at it, I think she deserves it.

Yep, I'm thinking Dee wins it all, too. Emily was her competition and now that she's gone, Dee beats everybody left. The way she told Julie to play her idol, not target Austin, but to write down Emily's name, and Julie actually did what Dee wanted. Masterful of Dee. Dee still has allies left, and she will deserve this win. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by TVFan1

[LadyChatts]

2 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

Yep, I'm thinking Dee wins it all, too. Emily was her competition and now that she's gone, Dee beats everybody left. The way she told Julie to play her idol, not target Austin, but to write down Emily's name, and Julie actually did what Dee wanted. Masterful of Dee. Dee still has allies left, and she will deserve this win. 

Katurah is the only other person who might win, but I don’t know if I see it.  We saw another side of her tonight with that emotional backstory (seriously, what a life that girl had!). Next week, it looks like she might be plotting something with Jake.  I might say this is another Erica situation where she wins and gets a last minute burst of edit.  But I think Dee’s overall edit is too strong, and she just has too much going for her.  She has Austin and Julie, and I’m not sure she’s really on anyone’s radar.  Plus, Katurah has been vocal on SM throughout the season about her edit and Bruce, and I’m not sure someone who won would be acting like that.

[Lady Calypso]

6 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Katurah is the only other person who might win, but I don’t know if I see it.  We saw another side of her tonight with that emotional backstory (seriously, what a life that girl had!). Next week, it looks like she might be plotting something with Jake.  I might say this is another Erica situation where she wins and gets a last minute burst of edit.  But I think Dee’s overall edit is too strong, and she just has too much going for her.  She has Austin and Julie, and I’m not sure she’s really on anyone’s radar.  Plus, Katurah has been vocal on SM throughout the season about her edit and Bruce, and I’m not sure someone who won would be acting like that.

I think Katurah's edit last night only shows how she gets more votes than Jake (since we know Jake is third place and Katurah gets at least one vote). But yeah, Dee's getting the dominant winner edit, an edit usually reserved for men, mind you. 

[Diana Berry]

Will Austin / Julie’s idol be back in play again ?

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, Diana Berry said:

Will Austin / Julie’s idol be back in play again ?

Kinda doubtful; there’s only two TCs left during which an immunity idol could be played.

[Sir Vivor]

-Drew is next out

-Jake finds idol

-Dee wins over Katurah, Jake

 

[Diana Berry]

2 hours ago, Sir Vivor said:

-Drew is next out

-Jake finds idol

-Dee wins over Katurah, Jake

 

Ok so the idol does come back into play.

So now I’m curious about who wins final immunity.  Isn’t word that austin is F4 ? So who sends him to make fire and  who beats him at fire? 

[LadyChatts]

So I think tonight solidifies that Dee is winning and why.  I do think, from a strategic standpoint, she has a decent resume built up.  The question now is, how do Jake and Katurah get to the final 3 with her over Julie and Austin?  I'm thinking one of them might win at fire.  Jake might use his idol in the final 5 vote and vote off Austin/Julie.  Jake might also get taken to the end because everyone thinks they can beat him.  

I also noticed a similarity to something that happened to Cassidy during the jury questioning in S43, when she tried to take credit for something and then was told it actually wasn't her move after all.  Jake thinks he set up this great blindside against Drew, Katurah thinks it was also partly her doing, but they don't realize Dee and Julie were already planning it and they walked right into their plan.  I feel like this might come up.  If he had any hope of winning (and if he did, it was probably slim), I think this is the moment where he lost tonight.  

Edited December 14, 2023 by LadyChatts

[Diana Berry]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

So I think tonight solidifies that Dee is winning and why.  I do think, from a strategic standpoint, she has a decent resume built up.  The question now is, how do Jake and Katurah get to the final 3 with her over Julie and Austin?  I'm thinking one of them might win at fire.  Jake might use his idol in the final 5 vote and vote off Austin/Julie.  Jake might also get taken to the end because everyone thinks they can beat him.  

I also noticed a similarity to something that happened to Cassidy during the jury questioning in S43, when she tried to take credit for something and then was told it actually wasn't her move after all.  Jake thinks he set up this great blindside against Drew, Katurah thinks it was also partly her doing, but they don't realize Dee and Julie were already planning it and they walked right into their plan.  I feel like this might come up.  If he had any hope of winning (and if he did, it was probably slim), I think this is the moment where he lost tonight.  

On last weeks podcast, Jeff mentioned he wanted to talk  about the fire making but not until after the finale.

Whacky thought but this season has whacky, what if Katura  or Jake win F4 immunity, they take each other.  Then f4 sends dee and austin to fire making.  Is Austin so smitten that he would throw it to Dee? 

[Carey]

Well, if Austin truly has no plans to play the game ever again (along with money not meaning everything), then I could see that taking place

[Diana Berry]

5 hours ago, Carey said:

Well, if Austin truly has no plans to play the game ever again (along with money not meaning everything), then I could see that taking place

There are worse things. Rob ended up happily married to Amber and had four kids

[anthonyd46]

On 12/13/2023 at 3:32 PM, Sir Vivor said:

-Drew is next out

-Jake finds idol

-Dee wins over Katurah, Jake

 

Any idea who is in the fire challenge? I remember you having accurate spoilers for WAW.

[Carey]

Looks like Dee winning will validate the spoilers of (someone like) her winning the game.  That's wonderful.  Jake winning would be nice too.  If you're kind or more important, if you're good at the game, you're probably going to win if you get to the end.

I'm okay with a Dee victory, but what would be vexatious is yet another 7-1-0 outcome.  That has to be a combination of the lamest set of votes coupled with an ounce or two of pettiness.  Someone is denied a unanimous outcome, yet someone else still gets shutout.  At least if it were 5-3 or even 6-2 (though 6-3 with nine voters feels better) I'd reason with it

[Diana Berry]

Drew said in his exit interviews , he didn’t speak to anyone from the cast for months. He was over it.   Guess the bitter jury may be a reality. 

[LadyChatts]

1 hour ago, Diana Berry said:

Drew said in his exit interviews , he didn’t speak to anyone from the cast for months. He was over it.   Guess the bitter jury may be a reality. 

I love it.  I am curious how this jury is going to go.  Obviously Dee wins, and Emily and Kelly both said they would vote for the best player regardless...but of course who the best player is a matter of opinion.  I can see them both voting for Dee.  Even though I doubt it will happen I'd find it hysterical and a fitting end for this season if Bruce voted for Katurah (he strikes me as a Jake vote if he really does get any).  Kendra might be a Katurah vote.  Dee will no doubt have Julie and Austin.  I guess Drew is the wild card (hey, maybe he votes for Jake out of spite?)

[Diana Berry]

2 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I love it.  I am curious how this jury is going to go.  Obviously Dee wins, and Emily and Kelly both said they would vote for the best player regardless...but of course who the best player is a matter of opinion.  I can see them both voting for Dee.  Even though I doubt it will happen I'd find it hysterical and a fitting end for this season if Bruce voted for Katurah (he strikes me as a Jake vote if he really does get any).  Kendra might be a Katurah vote.  Dee will no doubt have Julie and Austin.  I guess Drew is the wild card (hey, maybe he votes for Jake out of spite?)

I could see him giving a vote  for Jake but I think the Reddit spoiler said he got no votes. I read Bruce said the winner was surprising . But what is surprising to Bruce? I would love a surprise of Jake or Katura.  Dee has been all over her social media unlike the others  which makes me feel like she won. ( Austin hasn’t posted all week can’t blame him he’s getting the Bruce treatment ).

[Carey]

If Jake got no votes, then that's that.  Unlike Dee, he hasn't really been a "mean" player.  Though he hasn't been the opposite either, I don't think he's on bad terms with any of the jurors.

The surprising thing I guess would be the explanation as to why or how someone like Katurah could finish in second place outright.  I don't know what on Earth has her receiving votes instead of Jake.

7-1-0 while disgusting for me in terms of an outcome would not be a shocker since someone, possibly Drew, would throw a vote for someone other than Dee.  Knowing that voting against Dee changes nothing, it would cost her a perfect result.  So it's really a vote to wreck an unanimous outcome.  Not that Jake did anything to win, so it's a coin flip and Katurah get the nod despite not really deserving a vote.

As for Bruce saying it was surprise?  Meh.  Could be Bruce throwing people off, which, despite everything, is okay for me and probably the staff.

Finally, I don't know or think I'd be happy for Jake winning over Dee.  Maybe that's just me, but if people would be upset over Dee winning due to her making Russell  look or appear as nice as Colby or nicer, then I guess I can reason with that

[LadyChatts]

I thought I had read Jake may not receive zero votes after all (but I don’t think it’s confirmed).  Of course I can’t figure out who would vote for him except maybe Bruce, but if Drew was this bitter that’s why I wonder if he’d throw a vote to Jake.

And maybe Bruce didn’t vote for Dee and he was surprised she won (so he thinks the viewers will be too) or assumes based on her edit she doesn’t seem like a convincing winner.  He could just be saying that to throw people off too.  Who knows, it’s Bruce, and his reads in the game were about as bad as Jake’s.  

Edited December 16, 2023 by LadyChatts

[Diana Berry]

6 hours ago, Carey said:

If Jake got no votes, then that's that.  Unlike Dee, he hasn't really been a "mean" player.  Though he hasn't been the opposite either, I don't think he's on bad terms with any of the jurors.

The surprising thing I guess would be the explanation as to why or how someone like Katurah could finish in second place outright.  I don't know what on Earth has her receiving votes instead of Jake.

7-1-0 while disgusting for me in terms of an outcome would not be a shocker since someone, possibly Drew, would throw a vote for someone other than Dee.  Knowing that voting against Dee changes nothing, it would cost her a perfect result.  So it's really a vote to wreck an unanimous outcome.  Not that Jake did anything to win, so it's a coin flip and Katurah get the nod despite not really deserving a vote.

As for Bruce saying it was surprise?  Meh.  Could be Bruce throwing people off, which, despite everything, is okay for me and probably the staff.

Finally, I don't know or think I'd be happy for Jake winning over Dee.  Maybe that's just me, but if people would be upset over Dee winning due to her making Russell  look or appear as nice as Colby or nicer, then I guess I can reason with that

I don’t get the recent non unanimous votes either.  It seems pretty childish in a way especially if the other two players are a bit sub par.  It makes it amusing for the viewer if it’s a bitter jury (juror) though

50 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

I thought I had read Jake may not receive zero votes after all (but I don’t think it’s confirmed).  Of course I can’t figure out who would vote for him except maybe Bruce, but if Drew was this bitter that’s why I wonder if he’d throw a vote to Jake.

And maybe Bruce didn’t vote for Dee and he was surprised she won (so he thinks the viewers will be too) or assumes based on her edit she doesn’t seem like a convincing winner.  He could just be saying that to throw people off too.  Who knows, it’s Bruce, and his reads in the game were about as bad as Jake’s.  

True maybe Bruce isn’t reading the room or he is just spinning his own narrative.

There was a comment  on Dee’s IG last night that was very rude about her.  She is a fiesty  one .  I was a little shocked with her comeback and surprised she didn’t delete it .

 

[LadyChatts]

21 hours ago, Diana Berry said:

I don’t get the recent non unanimous votes either.  It seems pretty childish in a way especially if the other two players are a bit sub par.  It makes it amusing for the viewer if it’s a bitter jury (juror) though

True maybe Bruce isn’t reading the room or he is just spinning his own narrative.

There was a comment  on Dee’s IG last night that was very rude about her.  She is a fiesty  one .  I was a little shocked with her comeback and surprised she didn’t delete it .

 

Was that the one about reporting someone to their job or something?  She also posted, in response to someone saying they think it's wrong to swear on their mother in the name of the game, that she would swear on their mother if it meant furthering her game.  Personally, I've always thought people take swearing on loved ones too seriously anyway.  I do think the first comment was out of line, though.  

[Diana Berry]

3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Was that the one about reporting someone to their job or something?  She also posted, in response to someone saying they think it's wrong to swear on their mother in the name of the game, that she would swear on their mother if it meant furthering her game.  Personally, I've always thought people take swearing on loved ones too seriously anyway.  I do think the first comment was out of line, though.  

Yes the job comment.  Whoa.  
 

I figure I’m getting my hopes up with the bitter jury.  But the after show may be interesting , also. You just know Jeff is going to be in  his happy space spending most the show on Dee and Austin.  Since it’s right after the vote, I wonder if Drew is going to be doing his famous sighs throughout it?  If he didn’t talk to anyone until the end of summer and filming ended early May, it could be amusing.

[LadyChatts]

1 hour ago, Diana Berry said:

Yes the job comment.  Whoa.  
 

I figure I’m getting my hopes up with the bitter jury.  But the after show may be interesting , also. You just know Jeff is going to be in  his happy space spending most the show on Dee and Austin.  Since it’s right after the vote, I wonder if Drew is going to be doing his famous sighs throughout it?  If he didn’t talk to anyone until the end of summer and filming ended early May, it could be amusing.

I think the problem is with this jury format, it’s harder for the jurors to be bitter.  But I am hoping Drew at least gives us a death glare.  And if Julie goes fifth maybe he’ll celebrate a little too hard or something.

I’m curious who of Julie/Austin go out fifth and whether either of them would be bitter (probably not Austin, he’d probably just declare his love for Dee and act like this is a sacrifice for his lady love).  But Julie maybe?  I feel like Jake’s idol will come into play but whether it matters or not who knows.  I can see Jake thinking he’s making a big move and have it be thwarted somehow or not a big deal.

 

Edited December 18, 2023 by LadyChatts

[Diana Berry]

2 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I think the problem is with this jury format, it’s harder for the jurors to be bitter.  But I am hoping Drew at least gives us a death glare.  And if Julie goes fifth maybe he’ll celebrate a little too hard or something.

I’m curious who of Julie/Austin go out fifth and whether either of them would be bitter (probably not Austin, he’d probably just declare his love for Dee and act like this is a sacrifice for his lady love).  But Julie maybe?  I feel like Jake’s idol will come into play but whether it matters or not who knows.  I can see Jake thinking he’s making a big move and have it be thwarted somehow or not a big deal.

 

If dee wins final immunity, whether it’s Julie or Austin , she’s putting her supposed number ones at fire making.  My thoughts no , they should be sitting with you at F2.  I can see Julie possibly being bitter or if she gets voted out by her at f5. Austin I’m sure he will shake it off.

Spending way too much time on social media.  The purple podcast guy Brice that has a crush on Austin posted a picture with him.  Austin came out of hiding and reposted.  Dee also posted but covered up his face and said she couldn’t comment because of her NDA. 

[Carey]

22 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

 I can see Jake thinking he’s making a big move and have it be thwarted somehow or not a big deal.

100%.  He's a great guy but all I'm seeing is everybody laughing right after his explanation of what he thinks is/was big move

[Diana Berry]

Been reading the breakdown of the finale promos.

Yes, a pic of everyone looking shocked except Drew looking bored, irritated, all of the above?, and Bruce  looking stonefaced.

So the promos show flashes of each player.  But why oh why does Katurah get the special  jungle background? She does look very pretty.  That one has me curious. 

Looks like part of the challenge is having them run back and forth on the beach.  I would think Austin and Dee would have the upper hand.  Looks like Julie is really struggling.  

So I know the preview had katurah talking to  Julie about blindsiding dee( it does appear to be after the challenge because they look worn out). I’m assuming that is  a red herring .  But why on earth Wouldn’t Julie link up with katurah and Jake and  get Dee out ( if austin wins immunity)? I hope she’s smart enough to know that taking “ her girl” to f3 will not win it for her. Interesting.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Diana Berry

[LadyChatts]

https://ew.com/survivor-45-host-jeff-probst-says-final-tribal-council-is-war-8416384

So according to this article, Probst says about the FTC:

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The final Tribal for Survivor 45 is a war. Several jury members were undecided about who they were going to vote for, and I was very impressed with how they conducted their interrogation of the players. They were very specific in what they wanted to know to help them make their decision and they gave the players ample opportunities to own their game and make their case.

I was also very impressed with the final three. Everybody made their case in a way that felt true to their game. That’s all you want in a final Tribal: great questions and honest answers, then the jury decides! 

It’s also worth mentioning that the Survivor jury in the new era is able to conduct a thorough evaluation of each player while still treating the final three with respect. That wasn’t always the case on Survivor. I think it says a lot about the type of people who are applying and the mutual respect all players have for each other. 

 

Now, I never know whether to believe it when jurors claim that they are undecided and have an open vote (especially when the final tally ends up being 7-0-0 or 6-1-0 or some other breakdown like that).  I know there's some speculation at Sucks that the final 3 might actually be Dee/Austin/Jake due to promos, but I feel like the war reference fits a Dee/Katurah/Jake final 3 better.  But a Dee/Austin/Jake final 3 could also make sense, given how close Dee/Austin are.  

 

49 minutes ago, Diana Berry said:

So I know the preview had katurah talking to  Julie about blindsiding dee( it does appear to be after the challenge because they look worn out). I’m assuming that is  a red herring .  But why on earth Wouldn’t Julie link up with katurah and Jake and  get Dee out ( if austin wins immunity)? I hope she’s smart enough to know that taking “ her girl” to f3 will not win it for her. Interesting.

I don't know if Julie will backstab Katurah and tell Dee that she's going for her or what, but Julie may regret it if she gets sent to fire by Dee.  Even if Dee sends both Austin/Julie to fire, Julie may still be bitter that Dee didn't just pick her to go to the end with (assuming that Dee wins the final IC).  And we know Probst is hyping up the fire-making scene, so maybe for once he's being serious and it's dramatic.  This is one reason why the posters at Sucks think Katurah goes 5th, because she goes after Dee, and Dee still has the numbers to get her out.  Part of Dee's edit has been going after anyone that has uttered her name. 

 

3 hours ago, Carey said:

100%.  He's a great guy but all I'm seeing is everybody laughing right after his explanation of what he thinks is/was big move

I think last week's episode, where Jake thought it was him making the move to get Drew out, but in reality it was Dee and Julie is going to come back to bite him big time.  I think Dee is likely going to shut down any argument anyone tries to make, even if they actually have one, to try and downplay their accomplishments.  And Jake's had about the worst reads in this game and always seems to be about 3 steps behind.  I have a feeling he might try and do something big with his idol at the F5 but it also ends up not mattering.  

Edited December 19, 2023 by LadyChatts

[Diana Berry]

53 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

https://ew.com/survivor-45-host-jeff-probst-says-final-tribal-council-is-war-8416384

So according to this article, Probst says about the FTC:

Now, I never know whether to believe it when jurors claim that they are undecided and have an open vote (especially when the final tally ends up being 7-0-0 or 6-1-0 or some other breakdown like that).  I know there's some speculation at Sucks that the final 3 might actually be Dee/Austin/Jake due to promos, but I feel like the war reference fits a Dee/Katurah/Jake final 3 better.  But a Dee/Austin/Jake final 3 could also make sense, given how close Dee/Austin are.  

 

I don't know if Julie will backstab Katurah and tell Dee that she's going for her or what, but Julie may regret it if she gets sent to fire by Dee.  Even if Dee sends both Austin/Julie to fire, Julie may still be bitter that Dee didn't just pick her to go to the end with (assuming that Dee wins the final IC).  And we know Probst is hyping up the fire-making scene, so maybe for once he's being serious and it's dramatic.  This is one reason why the posters at Sucks think Katurah goes 5th, because she goes after Dee, and Dee still has the numbers to get her out.  Part of Dee's edit has been going after anyone that has uttered her name. 

 

I think last week's episode, where Jake thought it was him making the move to get Drew out, but in reality it was Dee and Julie is going to come back to bite him big time.  I think Dee is likely going to shut down any argument anyone tries to make, even if they actually have one, to try and downplay their accomplishments.  And Jake's had about the worst reads in this game and always seems to be about 3 steps behind.  I have a feeling he might try and do something big with his idol at the F5 but it also ends up not mattering.  

Ok well that could be the red herring. Had not even considered katurah going out at f5 but knew production telling the audience about the blindside dee wouldn’t happen.

Someone made a comment to Austin about their fantasy league he said that he hopes he can get the person more points ( no promises ).  So maybe he does make it to F3.  I would think he would have ignored that question otherwise.  Oh that would make Jeff so happy to have his modern day Romber in the finale.
 

 I’m so hoping Julie doesn’t make F3 just to see the fallout.  If her girl doesn’t pull her in, she will not be happy.  She has very little interaction on her social media.

word is everyone flying in for an after party.   Guess maybe they will do some live shots? Of course, we have to know real time if the lovebirds are still together ( at least until the hype is over).

someone did say on Austin’s IG he should be on TAR.  He linked the show in his comments.  I want to see him  and his cute brother vs him and Dee

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Diana Berry