S02.E07: Truth or Consequences

[Trini]

Detective Flores digs deeper into the cause of Marco's death. Meanwhile, Thony, Arman and Garrett team up to bring down Kamdar.

Airdate: November 7, 2022

[Trini]

Yeah, Kamdar has got to go.

Siiiighhh. So how long until Garrett finds out it was Arman who pulled the trigger, and then he messes with Arman's plans/life and then Arman messes with Garrett's operations? Rinse and repeat.

Seriously, Thony/Garrett/Arman make the worst team, and Kamdar seems pretty competent and powerful, so I'm already tired of the back and forth which is going to continue until the end of the season.

Well, at least Garrett was useful for getting Chris out of trouble -- for now. With Thony on tape, I don't see how she'll be able to get away from the police investigating her. Unless they pin Marco's death on someone else?

Even after he supposedly proved himself, I'm still pretty sure Kamdar doesn't really trust (or like (but we already knew that)) Arman, so any peace between them is temporary.

[Irlandesa]

Oh wow.  Every time Arman kills someone, I feel like he feels like his soul is being drained.  I do not feel good about where it's going for him.

And there are only 3 episodes left this season?  It was only renewed for ten episodes? 

I'm glad things are better for Marco--or at least they will be until the hotel clerk is found.

[Raja]

For a minute I thought Agent Garrett was going after LVPD for violating civil rights. Fiona straight out said they couldn't come in and then they drag Chris to the station not under arrest. Was it kidnapping then? But with the detective called off by her boss or D.A. I think she's not done.

A lot of poor safe houses this TV season.

[Trini]

5 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

And there are only 3 episodes left this season?  It was only renewed for ten episodes? 

There was an interview with the showrunner this past summer where she mentioned 12 episodes, so I think it's at least that many.

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, Trini said:

There was an interview with the showrunner this past summer where she mentioned 12 episodes, so I think it's at least that many.

Except Ep 7 aired tonight and during the previews for next week, the words on the screen were "only 2 more episodes before the season finale."  Not midseason or fall finale, like 9-1-1 got but season.  That'd be ten eps.

[paigow]

Kamdar has his own FBI source to find Maya... So why did he not know about Arman working with Garrett.

[eel21788]

16 hours ago, Trini said:

Siiiighhh. So how long until Garrett finds out it was Arman who pulled the trigger,

`Do we really know that it was Arman who pulled the trigger? Thorny grabbing his hand in the car afterwards may have been intended to indicate "keep my secret; I killed her for the right reason!" I have absolutely no trust for that woman!

[Trini]

16 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Except Ep 7 aired tonight and during the previews for next week, the words on the screen were "only 2 more episodes before the season finale."  Not midseason or fall finale, like 9-1-1 got but season.  That'd be ten eps.

Bummer! This was one of the few shows that had caught on for Fox; you'd think they order at least a few more episodes, especially with it airing in the fall.

[paigow]

3 hours ago, eel21788 said:

`Do we really know that it was Arman who pulled the trigger? Thorny grabbing his hand in the car afterwards may have been intended to indicate "keep my secret; I killed her for the right reason!" I have absolutely no trust for that woman!

Did Kamdar use the empty gun trope??? Give Arman an unloaded gun to see if he pulls the trigger on Maya... or tries to shoot Kamdar. One of the minions actually killed Maya, but Arman tried...

[paigow]

On 11/8/2022 at 12:06 AM, Trini said:

Yeah, Kamdar has got to go.

Guessing Nadia will pull the trigger...eventually

[Raja]

12 hours ago, paigow said:

Did Kamdar use the empty gun trope??? Give Arman an unloaded gun to see if he pulls the trigger on Maya... or tries to shoot Kamdar. One of the minions actually killed Maya, but Arman tried...

Interesting theory, but then why not show it, for the 2 extra minutes 9-1-1 gets so space is cut? Or will they flashback sometime in the next couple of episodes.

Arman, as a gangster was relatively "clean". They didn't sell guns to street gangs, he pushed back against selling to American, not militia but survivalists preppers as the primary goal was to get weapons to Armenia. Now the duo is increasingly falling down., sort of like The Good Girls a couple of years ago.

[pezgirl7]

This show is getting dark. I was hoping Arman would shoot Kamdar instead, although he would have had to shoot the other thug first, and that would have been too risky since that guy was pointing his gun right at Thony. I can't believe Arman has now killed two people for Thony! Their blood is just as much on her hands as it is on his. So not only is she a drug smuggler but she's now an accomplice to murder. I wonder if the original show this is based off of also had the lead be so unlikable.

I did like Thony's red dress. Arman seemed to like it too. 😏  Big improvement from the zebra outfit with the chunky costume jewelry earrings.

[eel21788]

On 11/8/2022 at 5:40 PM, paigow said:

Did Kamdar use the empty gun trope??? Give Arman an unloaded gun to see if he pulls the trigger on Maya... or tries to shoot Kamdar. One of the minions actually killed Maya, but Arman tried...

I don't think so based on as soon as Kamdar said "3," there was a muzzle flash and a bang, then Arman smuggling walked out of the room. That really only leaves enough time for Arman or Thorny to have picked up the gun and pulled the trigger. If it was Kamdar or his thug, I think there would have been a delay in between "3" and the gunshot to either chastise Arman for not pulling the trigger or to shoot Arman and Thorny first, then Maya after she had to watch what happens to rats first-hand.

[paigow]

On 11/9/2022 at 1:52 PM, pezgirl7 said:

I can't believe Arman has now killed two people for Thony! Their blood is just as much on her hands as it is on his. So not only is she a drug smuggler but she's now an accomplice to murder. 

Legally, she and Arman might get a free pass on Maya... as de facto government agents, they were maintaining their cover... But dirtbag motel manager is checkmate...

[phoenics]

I can't believe this show in season 2 is actually even better than season 1, but wow it is.  This episode was amazing and so so full of suspense.  And Arman... poor Arman.  He was literally crying at the end in the car.  I hate that Kamdar has Maya's death to hang over his head now.  Arman had a code - he never would kill an innocent person - his kills were related to thugs and thieves and bad guys in the guise of business.  But shooting a defenseless woman?  He'd never do it.  It's why he couldn't let his crew kill Thony in s1.  But he'd do anything to protect Thony so he shot her.

I did have a thought that Thony grabbed the gun and shot Maya for him but I dunno.  Arman crying changed that for me.

Whew.  What an episode.

On 11/9/2022 at 1:52 PM, pezgirl7 said:

This show is getting dark. I was hoping Arman would shoot Kamdar instead, although he would have had to shoot the other thug first, and that would have been too risky since that guy was pointing his gun right at Thony. I can't believe Arman has now killed two people for Thony! Their blood is just as much on her hands as it is on his. So not only is she a drug smuggler but she's now an accomplice to murder. I wonder if the original show this is based off of also had the lead be so unlikable.

I did like Thony's red dress. Arman seemed to like it too. 😏  Big improvement from the zebra outfit with the chunky costume jewelry earrings.

Wow - I didn't realize there were people who thought Thony was unlikeable?  For me the show is about Thony and Arman basically being the same person - neither all good or all bad.  They are simply in very bad situations and sometimes having to make awful choices because of it.

To each her own I guess.  I love Thony.

[Lady Jane]

On 11/12/2022 at 11:15 AM, paigow said:

Legally, she and Arman might get a free pass on Maya... as de facto government agents, they were maintaining their cover... But dirtbag motel manager is checkmate...

Government agents also aren't allowed to shoot people to maintain their cover. 

[eel21788]

On 11/13/2022 at 1:08 PM, phoenics said:

Wow - I didn't realize there were people who thought Thony was unlikeable? 

Unlikable doesn't even begin to cover it! Detest, despise, hate, abhor. . . this list could go on and on for me.

[eel21788]

On 11/13/2022 at 6:26 PM, Lady Jane said:

Government agents also aren't allowed to shoot people to maintain their cover. 

Garrett is also not allowed to make the decision that Chris pushed Marco is self-defense so no further investigation/arrests are warranted.

[pezgirl7]

On 11/13/2022 at 2:08 PM, phoenics said:

Wow - I didn't realize there were people who thought Thony was unlikeable?  For me the show is about Thony and Arman basically being the same person - neither all good or all bad.  They are simply in very bad situations and sometimes having to make awful choices because of it.

I don't hate her, but I find her to be too sanctimonious at times. I don't get the impression that Arman thinks that he is a good man, but Thony acts like she's always in the right, and expects Arman or Garrett to bail her out when she gets into a mess. I thought the way she reacted to her husband's death was pretty cold. I don't think she even shed a tear. Also, she doesn't smile or laugh much. She's just a bit of a drag. I think some of it is the acting, but a lot of it is the writing. I think the writers could do some small things to make her more likable.

[paigow]

42 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

I thought the way she reacted to her husband's death was pretty cold. I don't think she even shed a tear. 

He was going to kill Luca [unintentionally] by flying back to Manila without proper medical care... Then holding Luca hostage in the motel was also a fatal plan... so dumbass Marco is undeserving of sympathy...