S01.E04: Snapped

[DearEvette]

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When the team receives an unusual call for police assistance, they must employ creative methods to defuse a critical family conflict. Also, Haywood's mother encourages her to connect with her estranged father, and rookie officer Bentley bristles at career advice from his mentor, Sandeford.

Airdate: 10/23/2022

[Raja]

Rich kid that doesn't "need" the job so he can take the moral stand, check. The cop whose brother is the local priest, check. The young cop who wants to make detective, check. Back to the old fashion cop show.  The Captain giving a white noise press briefing to stall the press, well what news director would have his main troops at a precinct  house, so perhaps a bit too much old fashion. But the ideal was cute. 

Functional responsibility is an interesting concept. Occasionally on The Closer/Major Crimes you had the lower ranking specialty officer put the higher ranks in check. But the ESU Captain did seem too strident in not wanting the Deputy Inspector as another trained negotiator to try to talk the suspect down.  At least during the surrender they didn't go as far as happened on the vigilante show an hour before with a similar surrender scenario.

With the Inspector's father going away "up state" I presume that he was a dirty cop. But if she is going to give her parents grandchildren she better get on that situation forthwith. A whirlwind romance or a long term so far unseen boyfriend being the conventional methods. Invitro being another option as she is new as the commander.

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

With the Inspector's father going away "up state" I presume that he was a dirty cop. But if she is going to give her parents grandchildren she better get on that situation forthwith. A whirlwind romance or a long term so far unseen boyfriend being the conventional methods. Invitro being another option as she is new as the commander.

...or the Olivia Benson Method of adopting an orphan of a case. 
Better: The Sharon Raydor Version of taking in an older, de facto orphan can include the kid in the show in such a way that we can see exactly how the Inspector's relationship with her father effects the child.
I just prefer the family relationships don't take over the show.
But I'd prefer a little too much family to having the cops become the crime victims on the regular like SVU, The Rookie, and countless others.
That's a big reason I don't watch doctor shows. The doctors are always getting rare, life-threatening conditions.
But I suppose that's because they need to feature the regular actors with contracts for dialog.
 

I did like the way the racial profiling worked out.
Maybe in another 10 years or so the script will have the white police officer doing a little introspection at some point.

Edited October 24, 2022 by shapeshifter

[Daff]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I did like the way the racial profiling worked out.

It was ironic that the mouthy wife/girlfriend used the same line Bentley did, and I really liked that (Smits character) helped Sandeford realize he needed to have his partner’s back. Nice conversation.  However, 10 years won’t do it for someone so stupidly blinded by his own “authority” that he didn’t recognize the name, couldn’t be bothered to radio his own precinct to check the story, and whose first instinct, upon resistance  is to go for his gun. The least he could have done was to say, “Get back in your car, I’m checking your story.” (Thinking back, Bentley was already in his car that wouldn’t start… does that mean his wallet and badge were left in that car? Sad. ). 
 

I’m glad Smits got to do more this episode than stand around looking pensive and official. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Daff

[kwnyc]

I love Paul Calderon, who played the priest/brother. I hope he's recurring.

There was a similar plotline on 9-1-1 in which Athena's husband gets stopped for Driving While Black (with the kids in the car). No one had to TELL Athena (Angela Bassett) to do a stop on the profiling cop.

[OLynn33]

I am enjoying the soundtrack to this series a lot both the actual music/songs and the fact that it doesn't overpower the dialogue like a certain other series that ends in dam. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by OLynn33

[shapeshifter]

9 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Maybe in another 10 years or so the script will have the white police officer doing a little introspection at some point.

6 hours ago, Daff said:

 However, 10 years won’t do it for someone so stupidly blinded by his own “authority” that he didn’t recognize the name, couldn’t be bothered to radio his own precinct to check the story, and whose first instinct, upon resistance  is to go for his gun.

Actually, if this were a less realistic show and a little more Mayberry RFD, they could have the white cop who had "only one beer" when he was driving turn out to blow way over the limit and actually be a problem drinker/alcoholic who then has to go to mandated X number of AA-type meetings as part of a deal to keep his job/pension, and then in a Meeting he hears some black guy's perspective, and then has a revelation that he shares with the group.

But this is not that kind of show, and that probably does not happen IRL more than Once In A Blue Moon, if then.

[12catcrazy]

I like this show and liked how Haywood saved the day.  I didn't like how they are now dragging her family issues into the show (I want a cop show that is crime of the week without all the personal drama angst).  And I would've have never guessed that the Priest and Chief Suarez were brothers.  I mean really?   Ok, so there are families where siblings can look very different but you'd think they'd get an actor with a bit more of a resemblance to Jimmy Smits.   Seeing the ethnic makeup of so many New York priests,  I was thinking the Priest was maybe Pilipino.  Ah, the world of TV - "shrugs".   

[Daff]

5 minutes ago, 12catcrazy said:

I like this show and liked how Haywood saved the day.  I didn't like how they are now dragging her family issues into the show (I want a cop show that is crime of the week without all the personal drama angst).  And I would've have never guessed that the Priest and Chief Suarez were brothers.  I mean really?   Ok, so there are families where siblings can look very different but you'd think they'd get an actor with a bit more of a resemblance to Jimmy Smits.   Seeing the ethnic makeup of so many New York priests,  I was thinking the Priest was maybe Pilipino.  Ah, the world of TV - "shrugs".   

That surprised me, as well. You could tell they had history, and that it wasn’t exactly amicable, but I didn’t suspect they were family. 

[shapeshifter]

34 minutes ago, 12catcrazy said:

I would've have never guessed that the Priest and Chief Suarez were brothers.  I mean really?   Ok, so there are families where siblings can look very different but you'd think they'd get an actor with a bit more of a resemblance to Jimmy Smits.   Seeing the ethnic makeup of so many New York priests,  I was thinking the Priest was maybe Pilipino.  Ah, the world of TV - "shrugs".   

26 minutes ago, Daff said:

That surprised me, as well. You could tell they had history, and that it wasn’t exactly amicable, but I didn’t suspect they were family. 

After I got over my double take, I quickly fanwanked that Chief Suarez and his brother the priest had different fathers.
Even if they're practicing Catholics, Mom could have been widowed by Vietnam or street violence or heart attack whatever.
Or they might be something like cousins or otherwise fostered and raised to always call each other "brother."

[Zero260]

Is anyone else bothered by Jimmy Smits mustache? It’s all I see ……

[Daff]

22 hours ago, Zero260 said:

Is anyone else bothered by Jimmy Smits mustache? It’s all I see ……

I think it’s there to try to hide his seriously sunken mouth. He hasn’t aged well, and may have had recent dental problems, or is experiencing bone loss.  I don’t think anyone was eager to go to the dentist during the pandemic. 

[TV Anonymous]

On 10/24/2022 at 10:06 AM, Raja said:

Functional responsibility is an interesting concept. Occasionally on The Closer/Major Crimes you had the lower ranking specialty officer put the higher ranks in check. But the ESU Captain did seem too strident in not wanting the Deputy Inspector as another trained negotiator to try to talk the suspect down.  At least during the surrender they didn't go as far as happened on the vigilante show an hour before with a similar surrender scenario.

I need to question though, does rank not matter in the NYPD? Yes to functional responsibility, but the incident happened in the Deputy Inspector's AOR. Should the ESU, and the Captain, not be under the DI's command as she was senior to the Captain? But this command and control aside, was there no courtesy to the senior rank? The Captain called the Deputy Inspector by her last name alone, without her rank.

Kudos to Officer Quinlan to be able to change from uniform to civilian clothes then to uniform then to civilian clothes so quickly, even her hair was in regulation.

And they took from us the joy of seeing Officer Ruhl blew above legal limit and got promptly arrested? Oy, vey.

Edited November 5, 2022 by TV Anonymous

[CheshireCat]

On 11/4/2022 at 9:55 PM, TV Anonymous said:

I need to question though, does rank not matter in the NYPD? Yes to functional responsibility, but the incident happened in the Deputy Inspector's AOR. Should the ESU, and the Captain, not be under the DI's command as she was senior to the Captain? But this command and control aside, was there no courtesy to the senior rank? The Captain called the Deputy Inspector by her last name alone, without her rank.

I wondered about that, too. ESU just marched in there and assumed command as if they owned the place and they were the only competent officers on the scene.
Whether or not they're a different unit, the DI did/does outrank the Captain but you wouldn't have guessed from the interaction. I didn't notice that he referred to her by her last name but what he noticed is that she was justifying her actions and thoughts to him, as if he were the higher ranking official.

I understand that it would have been too easy had the DI been able to assume command had she pulled rank, still, they couldn't have found a healthy balance? Or, at the very least, if the Captain acted like that, maybe it could have been pointed out at one point that he is of a lower rank and was acting as if he wasn't?

On 10/24/2022 at 3:04 PM, Daff said:

 The least he could have done was to say, “Get back in your car, I’m checking your story.” (Thinking back, Bentley was already in his car that wouldn’t start… does that mean his wallet and badge were left in that car? Sad. ).

I wasn't under the impression that the officer had any intention of checking the story, although, I'm not entirely sure what his intention was. If he had wanted to check the story, I don't find it plausible that he wouldn't have said "hold on, I'll check" long before Bentley got out of the car but he seemed to just stand there, just waiting. Was he pretending to check the story and wanted to go back and tell Bentley that his story doesn't check out?

I agree with everyone who said they liked how the story was resolved.

I'm also glad that Bentley didn't get in an accident or get shot. I got really worried for him when his mother expressed her worries. More often than not, the character tends to die or is set up to die if a parent or spouse expresses their concern.

[Raja]

5 hours ago, CheshireCat said:

I wondered about that, too. ESU just marched in there and assumed command as if they owned the place and they were the only competent officers on the scene.
Whether or not they're a different unit, the DI did/does outrank the Captain but you wouldn't have guessed from the interaction. I didn't notice that he referred to her by her last name but what he noticed is that she was justifying her actions and thoughts to him, as if he were the higher ranking official.

I understand that it would have been too easy had the DI been able to assume command had she pulled rank, still, they couldn't have found a healthy balance? Or, at the very least, if the Captain acted like that, maybe it could have been pointed out at one point that he is of a lower rank and was acting as if he wasn't?

I think ESU took command because the bomb was in play and only specialist are allowed in, at least that is how a similar situation played on The Closer.  The Captain's public dismissal of the Deputy Inspector rank however rang as very untrue. To cross to other shows, like Chief Johnson and the premise of The Closer and now on  Law & Order: Organized Crime has

Spoiler

a Sergeant who they are teasing to jump over all the Lieutenants and Captains to become a Deputy Inspector

. If Inspector Haywood had a similar career progression maybe that can account for the lack of respect shown.