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Maximum Taco

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  1. In the show, yes. But in the books, Tyrion hates Jaime for being part of the Tysha incident where his father makes Tyrion believe that his first wife was a whore.
  2. I think Tyrion still believed in Dany. All the way through, like up until the moment of "The Bells." He'd thrown his lot in with her, just like he told Varys in the previous episode. And he snitched on Varys because of that belief he has in Dany. He still thought she would do the right thing up until the moment she didn't. But he also never really trusted her. He didn't trust her to hear him out about his brother, he didn't trust her to show mercy to his sister. And I think he's justified there. She was going to kill Cersei most definitely, and she was probably going to kill Jaime too. And Tyrion, for whatever reason, still seems to love his family. Which is really odd because book Tyrion seems to hate all of them, so I don't see how he could possibly get to this endgame. Tyrion is the one character who feels like he's changed the most from the books to the show, like fundamentally.
  3. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I bought Dany's heel-turn. She lost her dragon, then her first protector (Ser Jorah), then her other dragon and then her best friend (Missandei), and all the way through she's been reminded about how the people of this land don't like her, when all her brother would talk about when they were little was how they were praying for her return and how they would welcome her back with cheers and celebration. Then she realizes the person she loves betrayed her, and her most trusted adviser betrayed her, and the person who said they'd only betray her if they truly believed she was a bad person and betraying her would be for the good of the people, that guy also betrayed her. Finally she goes to the person she loves and pleads with him to love her the way she loves him, but he can't or he won't and she's alone. It could've been done a lot better in the show, but I can definitely see why she would flip to "Well if they think I'm a monster, I'll be a monster"
  4. Who the hell knows what Bran can do? In the books he seems to have strictly enforced rules, he can see through the weirwoods, in the past and present, and he can warg, and he sometimes gets prophetic visions. In the show it seems like he has whatever powers are convenient for him to have for the purposes of the plot, and if it serves the plot more for him to not have those powers he forgets he has them. He's like Super Friends era Superman.
  5. Wouldn't Bran also see this coming though and have that bodyguard removed and replaced with one who would obey him?
  6. Cousins aren't actually as closely related to cause too many significant problems. Speaking genetically at least. I mean, if Jon is squicked out by Aunt Dany I can't imagine he'd want to hop into bed with his cousin who he thought was his sister for 20+ years. But based on Lysa's intention, I doubt Robert/Robin would have the same issue. Anyway genetically, Sansa, Arya and Bran for instance would share about 13% of their DNA with Jon Snow or Robert Arryn. Compare that to Jon and Dany who share over triple that at close to 44% (Yes, thanks to crazy Targ inbreeding Dany and Jon are genetically closer to siblings then they are to being Aunt/Nephew, so enjoy that squick) or Jaime and Cersei who share over 50% (Normally siblings would share exactly 50% but I believe it's higher for Cersei and Jaime since they themselves are also the children of 1st cousins Tywin and Joanna)
  7. In the books Robert Arryn is 6 years younger than Sansa. While the show has changed everyone's ages, usually the gaps remain the same (except for characters they changed drastically like Missandei) Assuming Sansa in the show is close to Sophie Turner's actual age, she would be around 23 and he would be around 17.
  8. Even if it doesn't start a rebellion, the franchise has gone out of its way to prove that not all upjumped people do well in positions of power. Baelor the Blessed is soundly criticized for raising an illiterate stone mason and then a street urchin of 6 to the office of High Septon. But when Dany puts an illiterate blacksmith in charge of one of the seven biggest regions of her kingdom, she's soundly praised. Why? She barely knows Gendry, she doesn't know his temperament, she doesn't know how good he is at leading, she doesn't know anything beyond he's here and he's Robert's Bastard (of which there are many.) Now maybe Gendry is going to be an exception. Davos was also illiterate when Stannis raised him to Knight of Cape Wrath and then Lord of the Rainwood and then Hand of the King. But the difference there is Davos afterward worked hard and actually tried to do the things required of a Hand of the King, he taught himself to read (with Shireen's help) and he educated himself on the needs of the Kingdom. Will Gendry do the same? If George was writing this I suspect the next time we saw Storm's End, Gendry would be dead, and the Bastard of Nightsong would occupy the castle.
  9. This is the same thing with the Battle of Meereen. In the books Quentyn Martell needs to reach a chaotic Meereen one Dany might be willing to abandon when the Son of Dorne comes to tempt her with Westeros. He needs to die with her out of the city. Tyrion needs to reach a peaceful Meereen when the fighting pits have reopened, so she can save him from the fighting pits. Victarion needs to reach a Meereen embroiled in war. So he can prove himself to Dany. All the while Dany needs to slowly gain a grip on the city in time for it to light a powder keg in the final act. All these actions are going to have consequences later on. Quentyn's death will likely push Dorne further into support of fAegon who will probably entertain the match to Arianne Martell Tyrion will become Hand of the Queen, just like the show, because he's a main character and they can't alter too much. Victarion will provide Daenerys with ships, (and maybe give her a destructive method by which she can control her dragons, but will also kill them or breed resentment towards her?) But in the show there is no Quentyn or Victarion, so the story of Dany as a Mary Sue just kind of perpetuates itself. Dorne falls in behind her because there is no Quentyn, or Arianne or fAegon. And the Tyrells too, because why the fuck not? And then when the show can't figure out what to do with them, they die without any impact because again, why the fuck not? No ships? No problem, Yara and Theon show up as Deus ex Machina and immediately pledge themselves to her cause, and she excepts their widely ridiculous terms of independence. Can't control her dragons? Fuck that, it's too hard, now she can magically control them with no explanation.
  10. It honestly seems like everyone has forgotten. When Theon comes to Winterfell he tells Dany that Yara has gone to reclaim the Iron Islands in Dany's name. That would assume that Yara is Queen in name only, but still owes fealty to the Iron Throne. Essentially the same offer that Renly gave to Robb. He could call himself whatever the hell he wants, but he still acknowledges the King of the Seven Kingdoms as his overlord.
  11. If Sansa is in love with Jon, yes it is explained pretty perfectly, and actually done with a good amount of subtlety which is a rarity for the show in these later seasons. I will say she does a lot of reassuring him he's her brother ("You're just as much Ned Stark's child as any of us") and that seems contrary to that conclusion. Jon also seems pretty squicked out by making out with Aunt Dany, would he be more ok with cousin Sansa? I know cousins are pretty widely accepted in book Westeros, for instance Tywin was married very happily to his cousin Joanna, and it's barely mentioned and never with any degree of shame attached. But Jon clearly sees the Starks as his siblings.
  12. Wanting Jon on the throne over Dany and trusting Tyrion to do what she expects makes sense to me, because better the devil you know then the one you do not. Sansa knows Jon and Tyrion, and at the very least can guess at their motivations, and what they will do, and how much rope they will give her. She knows little and less about Dany. It makes tons of sense that she'd rather have Jon on the throne deciding the fate of the North then Dany. It makes tons of sense that she thinks she can figure out what Tyrion would do if given the information that Jon has a better claim then Dany. Her animosity towards Dany is pretty ridiculous (I think she is prudent to distrust her, but should also be much more subtle about that distrust), but if that was explained somehow, the rest of it falls into place pretty easily.
  13. True, but you are just a citizen (I'm assuming) and not the leader of your birth country. And while you may legally be allowed to run for office there (assuming your birth country is a democratic one that allows citizens to run for office, and is not the USA, which requires residency in the US for the past 14 years) you can bet your boots if you tried people would bring up the fact that you had never lived in the country you sought to lead/rule. You aren't "One of them" to borrow the phrase. The point being that Dany is not technically a foreigner, but she practically is.
  14. He didn't blab. It was his secret to tell. She also didn't order him as Queen to keep it a secret, she begged him not to tell.
  15. This is the issue with almost everything that has happened this season. If we go by the books, all this stuff (Arya dealing the killing blow, Dany going mad, Sansa becoming the smartest person in the room, Jon becoming so besotted he'll do anything for Dany, Tyrion becoming enchanted and then disenchanted with Dany etc.) can possible be earned by the time Martin gets to ADoS. But in the show none of that stuff has been earned. D&D are stubbornly sticking to Martin's "vision" for the ending, but the problem is they've abandoned all of the things he wrote or is intending to write in order to earn that ending. It feels like this ending is tacked on, because essentially it is. Sure George may have planned it out years and years ago, but as ADwD proved with George's own Meereenese Knot, he's not willing to just jump to the plot points without putting in the work for all of the characters. D&D clearly are willing to do that.
  16. Another thought: Wouldn't Jon have given up all previously held birthrights when he swore himself to the Night's Watch? I don't think he would/should get reinserted into the line of succession by virtue of resurrection. Sure he became King in the North, when he forswore those vows (or loopholed his way out, whatever you want to say) but that wasn't a title he inherited he became King by acclamation.
  17. Can he prove it though? Unlike Dany, Jon is not gonna execute someone without proof. He might think it's Sansa, but if he can't prove it's Sansa, she's safe. At the time of the telling, 7 people knew. Sam, Gilly, Bran, Arya, Sansa, Dany, and Jon himself. Soon after you add Tyrion and Varys for a total of 9. Tyrion says 8, but I'm guessing he's forgetting about Gilly (or maybe not including Dany.) Now I suppose he could go to each person and ask them pointedly if they told (and Bran might be willing to sell out Sansa cause who knows what the hell Bran will do anymore, cause he's Bran and wants nothing and is therefore entirely unpredictable. I still want to believe he wouldn't sell out his sister, but who knows?) And that kind of questioning would clear Sam, Gilly, Bran, Arya, and Jon. But let's suppose Dany does die, and Jon questions Tyrion himself. Jon: Lord Tyrion you are accused of treason against our late Queen. But who told you about my heritage? Tyrion: The Queen did. I was her Hand at the time, and understandably she trusted me. I suppose she shouldn't have. She wanted me to have a plan ready in case you decided to press your claim. I was concerned about her behaviour, and decided she shouldn't be the Queen anymore. If Tyrion is about to be executed and knows it, I doubt he would throw Sansa under the bus. And he's smart enough to accuse a dead person, cause that cannot be corroborated. Conversely if Varys dies, Tyrion could also say Varys told him, and when they ask how Varys knows, well that's his job, Spymaster. This is exactly what Varys is saying to Tyrion, you tell everyone your secret and it's not a secret anymore. Ned and Lyanna are the testament to the phrase "Two can keep a secret, if one is dead"
  18. I know right. It seems like every 30 seconds this new Twilight Zone is nudging me in the ribs and says "You see? You see what I did there? No you didn't? Ok NOW do you see what I'm saying?" The Twilight Zone has always been about social commentary, but it seems like this new writing team is having trouble between hitting their mark and also crafting a story that doesn't make it super obvious what's going on. It feels like they need more involvement from Jordan Peele. These Twilight Zones seem like they are trying to recreate the mood of Get Out and Us and it's just overshooting the mark and falling right on it's face.
  19. He was in one scene and had like 2-3 lines. IT. WAS. A. CRIME.
  20. Stannis was a brother killing, child murdering asshat. But damn was he cool. Cool guys don't even draw their swords when wildlings rush them. Also damn Mance Rayder was cool. "We do not kneal." There's way too many cool guys in this scene. I can't handle it.
  21. In the books I think she is going to be much more of a tragic figure. She fights harder against her baser urges. There's that violence simmering in her veins that she tries to suppress, and her real dream, the one in her heart, is not of the Iron Throne, but about a simple existence and a house with a red door in Braavos where she lived with Viserys and Ser Willem Darry. She doesn't really want power and a queenship in the books (I mean she does, but that's not her deepest want), she wants a home, and Viserys always told her she'd find that in Westeros.
  22. I'm honestly not sure if there is a good choice among the current contenders. Jon doesn't want the throne, as has been pointed out a lot, and while serving for duty is a nice trope, I don't think it really works out in real life. Unfortunately it really seems like this may be where we are going in this story, which is a big shame. While I oppose Dany's brutality and think it makes her unfit to rule, the show shitting all over her ambition is just terrible. Ambition is something to be praised. Sansa is far too insular to be a good Queen to the Seven Kingdoms, she might make a good QITN, she is advocating strongly for Northern Independance, which is something the Northerners all feel strongly about, and knows the region well enough to make it run well. Cersei is the most mad of all the mad people. Dany is brutal and cruel, and moves to violence far too quickly. Gendry has no experience and can't even bloody read. Tyrion actually isn't a bad choice (Show Tyrion, Book Tyrion would be a trainwreck). He's measured and calm, he cares for the people, he ran the realm well as Hand, but it seems unlikely the nobility will accept a dwarf as their King.
  23. Fair enough. Arya's pretty brutal. But Arya wants to be (or doesn't want to be and is) a professional killer. Not the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. I'd be just as nervous if Arya was sitting the Iron Throne, someone that brutal really shouldn't be in charge. "I'm sure cutting off heads is very satisfying, but that's not the way you get people to work together"
  24. Who does Arya execute? Almost all of the kills she makes are in combat. This is not the same as an execution. Stannis is evil. He allows his child to be burned alive. He has a shadow kill his brother. He uses blood magic to murder people. He is the world's most boring fanatical cultist.
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