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14 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Moving to Vietnam in itself isn't a crime and it's not the reason she was arrested.  It might be why she was arrested when she was, though.  They probably didn't want to arrest her when they did but felt they had no choice once they learned she was leaving.

And in order to keep both in the US, they only needed to arrest the mother or the father and the evidence against the mother is stronger.  She has direct ties to the money issued to Charlie's girlfriend.

My point was that I am sure he knew why they were moving to Vietnam.......

I hope they are able to dig up evidence to convict the father too, as well as Wendi. 

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Wendi is a really bad actress. Her crying at the police station when she found out that her ex had been murdered was laughable. I actually did laugh when she wailed "My poor children". The children that she tried to move away from her ex, and was only stopped by a judge? The ex that the family was going to try to buy off with a million dollars to go away and abandon his children? The children that she changed the last name of, and the ones that she kept from their paternal grandparents for six years, only to then allow visitation when said grandparents were successful in having a law passed so they could see their grandchildren? Those poor children? STFU Wendi. 

I don't for a minute think that Wendi had no clue what was going to happen to Dan, and I think the charade was carried on even up until Donna made those phone calls complaining that Wendi had basically abandoned her brother. After all, the whole point of the murder was to get Wendi sole custody of the kids. One would think if she ends up being implicated down the road, the kids would go to their paternal grandparents if maternal grandma, uncle and mom are all convicted? I don't know how maternal grandpa hasn't been arrested. Wasn't he fleeing to Vietnam as well?

I hope when those kids are old enough, they shun any maternal family members, take back their rightful surname and are able to start to make up for the time with their paternal family members that their maternal family members took away from them.

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19 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Speaking of different networks airing the same cases, Netflix has a new three part series American Nightmare, which is a rehash of a case that was on Dateline a while back.  Couple where fiancé was tied up and woman was kidnapped. The police thought they had made up the whole thing. Do y’all remember that one?  Actually an interesting case. I won’t be watching the Netflix version. I guess the couple got a nice payday for participating. I don’t begrudge them the money. 

I just finished watching the Netflix version and found it worth watching. As often happens when two (or even more) outlets cover the same case, different info is revealed. I'll share a few things below but will put it under spoilers, so that I don't give away info for anyone that may want to watch the Netflix version. 

Spoiler

They focused a lot in the third part on the police detective who actually connected the June/15 home invasion to Denise and Aaron's case. from March/15.  I don't remember that in previous versions of the case. Also that the kidnapper had been known as the "creeper" in the same neighbourhood as Denise and Aaron lived, back as far as 2009. 

Another tidbit was that the FBI agent who did pretty much nothing to investigate the case was an ex boyfriend of Aaron's ex girlfriend (the one who was the intended victim). When Denise's lawyer complained that there was a conflict of interest, his complaint was dismissed. 

They also talked about the report on what the police did (or how little they did) on the case and their attempts to pin it as a hoax on Denise and Aaron, including lying outright to Aaron about his lie detector results. 

The last time I saw an update on Denise and Aaron, they were married with a daughter. They now have a second daughter. I am glad they are doing well, and certainly deserve any and all money they have received due to the gross mishandling of their case. 

 

[S13.E12: Bitter Pill to Swallow]

How very Dorit to complain at a charity event for people who are homeless, and may or may not be toothless depending on if they have yet been helped, that the place settings are wrong, the colour of the flowers are not acceptable, and that the carpet needs to be updated. (OK, that one was PK). OMFG. 

There have been so many strange events in the RH franchises, that when Jeff mentioned to Crystal about a Brave Little Toaster event, I actually thought to myself "There is a charity in BH for toasters?". In my defense, I do not know the series and had to google it. 

Way too much time given to Annemarie. I would be embarrassed if I were her employer. 

[S05.E10: Bisquick]

Loved the season, and the ending at the Lyon home. 

Like others, I was shouting at Witt for going after Roy by himself. It was obvious when that happened that he was going to die. I'm glad that at least Indira adopted Lucky.

What I didn't understand is why Witt's tombstone said "Beloved Brother", not "Beloved Son and Brother" since Indira said that Witt's mom brought his six sisters to the service? Odd things like that bug me. Lol. 

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On 1/15/2024 at 9:46 AM, iMonrey said:

 

Well, I doubt Nick stands to inherit one thin dime from her at this point. Can't think of any motive Corey would have anymore.

Oh, I don't mean because Nick would stand to inherit. I just think that anyone evil enough to plan to kill the people who adopted him from an orphanage and gave him every advantage in life, could be evil enough to finish the task. If only because Corey doesn't buy his remorse act and he will not have wormed his way back into her life. 

We have seen cases where an adult child has murdered a parent and tried but failed to murder the second parent. And the surviving parent has gone on not only to forgive the child but let that child back into their life. Nick always it appeared got his way, right up until Corey tried to hold him accountable for the money he owed them. I think he is evil enough to blame Corey for ruining his life. I don't believe for a minute that he has remorse, other than remorse for not being successful in his plan. 

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1 hour ago, badgerwoman said:

 

I am watching the 48 hour version right now, and they mentioned the mother was planning an engagement party for the son and dil after the murder.   I just thougth that strange so soon after the murder.

 

They also talked about the engagement party in the Dateline version. Jackie wanted it, which I thought was odd since they were already married. I can only surmise that after the engagement party Jackie would have  wanted a wedding/reception as well.

It does make me wonder why they married in secret, just a couple of months after graduating from HS. Makes me think they were planning the murders at that time, and it may have had something to do with husband and wife not having to testify against each other, if they were caught? 

I think the info elicited by both Andrea, and the interviewer for 48 Hrs, while interviewing both Nick and Corey was basically the same. Nick came off as cold to me in both interviews, I think his only regret is that he got caught, not that his father is dead. Oh, and of course that the killers didn't finish the job and leave him 8 million dollars richer. Sad that he is eligible for parole at age 36. He should never get out. If I were Corey I'd be looking over my shoulder. 

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I am a someone who believes that nature is as a big of an influence over who we become, as nurture. I think Andrea hit the nail on the head when she asked Nick if he was born evil. I loved her interview with him, and that she did hold his feet to the fire. 

I also love that Nick's mother does not forgive him, and said that she loved the boy he was, but hates the person he is now. Good for her for not falling into the "I forgive you" nonsense. 

The fact that Nick and his wife married when they were barely 18 years old and kept it a secret for 8 months shows a huge disconnect that he had from his parents. I also noticed that he referred to his dad as "father", not "dad" to the police, which is a very formal term to use. He did seem to want to take the easy way out in life, and did not like that his mother was not letting him away with not holding up his end of the deal.

Nick's wife was just as involved as he was, and I am appalled that she got off with barely a slap on the wrist. They both deserve to rot in hell. 

[S13.E11: A Celebration of Life]

3 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Double if she feels like her husband isn’t being supportive.  

I think Kyle and Mau's problems started long before her friend's suicide. Kyle was vacationing with Morgan months before. And Kyle said that I think it was three days before her friend died, she told Kyle to take care of her marriage. It was a few months later in the reunion in the fall of 2022 that Kyle's heart tattoo was mentioned. 

It does seem like she and Mau have been moving apart for awhile. Mau is interested in expanding his business globally. Kyle has mentioned that she never liked all the entertaining that his business entailed, and his expansion would ramp up that aspect a huge amount. She also mentioned on this episode that she would love to live outside LA where it is more peaceful and she has access to the kind of outdoor living she loves. 

Kyle turns 55 today (I just realized). I think it is an age that many women take stock of what they now want in life. And it isn't like Kyle has to work, she is wealthy enough to do whatever she wants.

This is a long winded way of saying, I don't know that it was so much a case of Mau not being supportive, but maybe Kyle not being receptive to that support any longer. 

[S13.E11: A Celebration of Life]

I have never heard the term 'step and repeat' so had to google it. I thought that maybe it was a new term for line dancing, and thought I had missed a scene of the guests line dancing to one of Wade's songs. Nothing would surprise me on this show. 

That said, I agree with others that Wade's song was highly inappropriate. Kyle must be madly in love not to have figured that out herself. I felt sorry for her friend's  daughters. The younger one seemed to be hanging out with Portia, so maybe close to her age? In any case while I have no doubt Kyle was trying to honor her friend, she missed the mark with the musical guest/selection. I think Sutton said she is an ambassador for NAMI. I wonder if she had the same feelings as many here have?

I loved PK calling Dorit out on her high maintenance, and the editors playing the scenes. It would not be hard to find many scenes over the years of Dorit's high maintenance, and it has nothing to do with PTSD. It would not surprise me if those two do not make it. 

 

[S13.E10: Re-Lentless Erika]

I am only just starting to watch this episode, but I am already tired of Denise once again, and her Mother of the Year act. I remember a scene from years ago where Denise is the one who brought up the comment about the threesome to Sami, and Sami replied that she and her friends were not bothered about it, and actually found it funny. I wish the editors had shown that scene too, after they showed Denise making the comment at the BBQ about Aaron's huge dick.

I also remember a scene from that time period where Denise had posted to social media (Instagram I think) a picture of Aaron in bed sporting an erection. Denise shared that she took it down as one or both of her girls were embarrassed about the picture. 

So Denise, STFU about Ericka's comment. Your daughters were embarrassed at your public obsession of their step father's dick, and your oversharing both comments about it, and pictures of it.  They quite possibly are currently embarrassed by at times your drunken state, and using a past storyline involving them, apparently for a current storyline.  I don't know why Denise is back on my screen, but please get her the hell off of it. 

 

[S18.E22: Look Back: How It's Going (Special Episode)]

1 hour ago, Quof said:

None of these latest episodes are available in Canada. Sister Wives is only on Discovery Plus, through Amazon, and for reasons known only to them, they haven't loaded anything since the last One on One. 

 

 

That's odd, as  I live in Canada and I get Sister Wives on TLC, including the last four episodes since the One on One episodes. I didn't even know the series was available on another site as I have always watched it on TLC. 

 

 

[S18.E22: Look Back: How It's Going (Special Episode)]

It is interesting revisiting the scenes where Meri unselfishly offered to divorce Kody so that he could marry Robyn and adopt her kids. Now of course we know that Kody was done with Meri already, to the point of melting down his wedding ring to symbolize that he was done with her and their marriage. 

Then we have the current scene with Kody, where he claims that Meri no longer being the legal wife changed something in her, she started to pull away from the family and got catfished. Of course, Meri pulling away could not have been a result of Kody kicking her to the curb, all the while pretending to the viewers that he hadn't. STFU Kody. We have your number, and it is a big fat zero. 

I wish when the wives were looking at the scene of the retreat in Sedona, at least one of the wives, rather than blabbering on about where Kody chose to stand or where they thought he should have stood, would have pointed out that he was not only standing beside Robyn, but holding her friggin' hand! And wasn't this retreat facilitated by the wonder therapist Nancy? WTF didn't she point it out? Argh! 

I do now chuckle whenever Robyn breaks into tears, or claims that she is going to break into tears, or claims an oncoming panic attack. I just play the scene in my head where Christine talks about Robyn and Kody's love of drama. Indeed.  A knife in the kidney to be sure. 

[S05.E11: The More the Merrier]

On 12/2/2023 at 11:17 AM, MaryHedwig said:

I agree. It was all too neat and convenient. Also, how can someone live in Virgin River and not already be known by everyone. Especially, a good-looking "golden" bachelor. Wouldn't those knitting ladies have already scoped him out?

 

Not to mention, how can the former postmaster Chip only know the guy by his nickname Champ, when he rented a post office box? I'm pretty sure you would have to rent under your actual name, not a nickname. 

I would imagine that Champ will show up again next season (assuming there is one), likely being saved in some manner or another by the daughter he wanted nothing to do with. 

Edited to add: Ha, should have known better than to post before I finished the final epi of the season. 

[S18.E18: One on One Part 4]

The second best thing about Christine getting married, behind Christine finally finding true love, is that TLC has finally had to bring the series up to real time, rather than showing us footage that was shot a year and a half ago. In fact it seems that the footage they showed of Kody and Christine at lunch was a scene that we had never seen before? I don't remember it.

It appears that the one-on-one episodes were filmed after the wedding while pretending they were filmed before it? When Christine showed her engagement ring I am sure that there was also a wedding band. Not that that would be a surprise, given how TLC has manipulated the entire series for 18 seasons. 

David seems like a sweetie, it is so great to see Christine so happy. I do hope though that the series does not continue with a focus on Christine and David. I don't think it would be healthy for their marriage, given that David is not a publicity hound like Kody. 

If nothing else the 4 one-on-one episodes put Kody and his narcissism on blast. Over and over again. The look on Suki's face at times was priceless. If the series does continue with the other wives and kids, I really hope Robyn and Kody are relegated to bit players, if they are shown at all. I can't imagine anyone would miss them. 

[S13.E08: Esopha-gate]

Just now, Keywestclubkid said:

sorry I meant sympathy from others .. I didn't mean to imply you.. I am sorry ... She again did this to herself Hiding her stuff while using her sisters to deflect from what was going on in HER life and painting everything as rosy and great while attacking others about their marriages (hi Denise ) and ignoring one of her really good friends (at the time) Pain from losing not only her brother to suicide but then her mother shortly after by saying "i had other stuff going on"

 

shes a monster who expects to be treated like shes the victim and its catching up to her 

I am surprised that those who are supposed to be friends, like Dorito, are front and centre in calling out Kyle's not drinking, obsessively exercising, etc. But it does certainly make sense for someone like Sutton to be upset that Kyle is treating her badly, knowing what Kyle went through losing her friend, but apparently not being able to bring it up on camera. Now that Kyle has discussed it on the show, I wonder if the others will follow suit? 

[S13.E08: Esopha-gate]

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

this is why she is getting No sympathy cause unless its her she doesn't give it to anyone else ... she DRUG Lisa V after her bother and mom died DRUG her that season with accusations out the ass then said to her face "i had other things going on"  ... you cant do that then expect people to be like oh poor you when it happens to you .. you know what I am saying .. she made this bed

Oh, I didn't say I sympathize, I said I understand more her actions (stopping drinking, obsessively working out, being done apparently with her marriage to Mau, seeming to want to recapture her youth through Morgan, etc.) Which is why when important events in any howife's life are hidden from the viewer, one cannot get the whole picture of the "real" life of someone who is on a reality show. 

[S13.E08: Esopha-gate]

15 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I didn't know when this scene was filmed, but Kyle told the "therapist/life coach" her best friend took her own life on May 1st.  I think the grief is real.

I can't imagine anyone would think Kyle's grief wasn't real. While other scenes like Sutton's party celebrating the 4th anniversary of her store were filmed in September (her store opened September 2019) the scene with the therapist could have been filmed anytime. In fact it appeared to me to be a staged session, since he certainly as a friend/life coach for 20 years would already know about her best friend's death and the never ending ups and downs with her sisters.

What I find odd is that, even if Kyle wasn't ready to talk about her friend's death on the show, she did post about it on Instagram in May 2022, and co workers and others including Kathy posted their condolences. So the other howives have certainly known for a year plus about Kyle's loss. Kyle stopped drinking in July 2022. And she shared in this episode that she stopped drinking because drinking depresses her and she can't afford to be depressed.

The death of Kyle's friend certainly brings more into perspective about the changes she has made in her life. What I find odd is that her co workers have gone on and on about her stopping drinking, and obsessively working out while knowing about the loss of her best friend. It obviously was off limits to bring up on the show, but certainly would have had a huge impact on Kyle. It is easier to see now how she has reassessed her life and her marriage (though I think that her friendship with Morgan, whatever it is, predates her friend's passing). 

I'm not a Kyle fan, and do think she has little sympathy for others going through their own forms of grief, but her friend's death does put a different light on her actions this season, at least for me. 

[S13.E08: Esopha-gate]

2 hours ago, Mar said:

When I saw her green bag sitting so prominently placed in that scene, I burst out laughing. She has a fixation on these expensive bags and is very frequently seen out in public with them. So materialistic.

I read a few comments about the bag before I actually watched the episode, so when I saw it I also burst out laughing. I think it was sitting on a chess set? It really looked so ridiculous, as did Kyle. 

This episode was filmed in September of this year. Did Kyle make it clear that her best friend died in May of 2022? I thought she implied that it was just a few months ago, but I may have misheard. Is this the first time we as viewers are hearing about this? Not that it is necessarily any of our business, and the family may not have wanted it discussed on the show, but it does seem like Kyle has kept a lot of her actual life off the show, from her friend's death, to her relationship with Morgan and her crumbling marriage.

 

[S13.E08: Esopha-gate]

Love the editors on this show. We get a scene of Kyle and Mauricio discussing the dinner, and comments that were made would lead to more rumors about their marriage. Then the awkward kiss Mau gives Kyle, who then admonishes him for kissing her like that. They even tussle a bit as Kyle is trying to leave. Mau mumbles that he will kiss Kyle any way he wants, and we have the comment playing regarding Kyle being in denial. Chef's kiss to the editors. 

Love how calmly Sutton handled Annemarie, she got in some great jabs. Not interested in Annemarie, her husband, her children, or her uninformed medical opinions. Sutton has been my fav since she joined the show, and it is wonderful to see her holding her own. 

[S18.E17: One on One: Part 3]

5 hours ago, Mothra said:

 

  My husband used to come home from management seminars with tests like this, to be used to figure out how to get the best from employees.

 

 

 

I remember the first time I attended a management course that was using this type of test, thirty years ago. We used it to identify the personality types of our employees. I found it very helpful, as I had one employee who's life was always in crisis. She lurched from one upheaval to another, her life was never smooth sailing. After the course, I realized that that was how she thrived. She loved chaos and drama. Today she'd be called Robyn. 

Did we ever figure out why the Browns were taking the test? I do think Robyn took it, but Christine (and the others) certainly could have figured out Robyn's type, and each others. 

Many years ago when I was at home recuperating from an illness, some Scientology members showed up at my door. I would not normally have talked to them, but I was bored so listened. They gave me a book, and in the back was a personality test. (This was before I knew of such a thing through management seminars). I took the test and mailed it off. By the time they started calling me to schedule a return visit, I was not interested in engaging with them any longer. They kept calling and insisting I should let them come back to discuss my test results, as I would be shocked at how accurate the personality test was. Finally I said to them "If your test is that accurate, you should know that I'm not going to change my mind". Never heard from them again. Lol. 

[S18.E17: One on One: Part 3]

Thank you Meri for saying what I have been saying....these women are no longer sister wives. It bugs when Christine and Janelle refer to themselves as that. It is giving Kody a part in their relationship that no longer exists. And Robyn tearfully insisting that she still considers all three of Kody's exes to be her sister wives? Drama indeed. 

I did laugh at Robyn recounting the convo regarding the gift exchange. At one point Robyn was talking about her kids coming to her and she took a dramatic (yes, Robyn) pause. I just knew that she was going to use the term "safe". And sure enough she did, in that the kids said that they did not feel emotionally safe to participate in the gift exchange with their siblings. Exactly how did these teenagers come up with this term, if not from Robyn and Kody? BTW, how emotionally safe have they felt around angry Kody for the last few years? 

I really hope Meri is writing a book. Seems like it would be much more real that the reality show we have watched for years now. 

[S13.E07: Dazed and Accused]

17 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

THIS was really pissing me off.  First of all, laughing at someone's personal affliction is BULLSHIT!  For someone in the medical field to laugh is gross and inappropriate to me.  And Kyle?  Can you be a bigger c***?  I know all about esophageal dilation.  My grandfather had to have that done.  Me and my 2 sisters have swallowing issues (ready for incoming jokes!) so yeah.  Shut the fuck up.  What I am seeing of Annmarie isn't good.  

Yeah, Kyle is going through something.  Not sure what, but she is one angry motherfucker.  Not in an entertaining way.  I never really liked her but this version of Kyle needs to go.  And quit trying to make Morgan a thing.  Kyle is no longer the anchor of this show.  I am leaning towards Garcelle and Sutton being in that role.  

Sutton has some really good comments.  I loved the one from the episode last week about seeing Annmarie's dress on Erika and was surprised they still made it. 

I was disgusted at Annemarie's comments, as a supposed medical professional. She really did not come off well. And bragging about her sports background? I played pickleball better than that on my first day of playing, seven years ago. Kyle was equally as bad. 

I loved Sutton's comeback to Kyle when she said something about standing on her head. Sutton retorted "Everyone knows I can't stand on my head". That made me laugh out loud. Love Sutton and her sense of humour.

I guess the lunch Denise attended was her redemption lunch? While drunk/stoned/whatever Denise can be entertaining, I would be just as happy not to have her on my screen ever again. I was impressed by Erika's handing of Denise. She went from being paranoid about Erika, to paranoid about Dorito commenting on her jacket. That is several minutes of my life I will never get back.

I watch for Sutton and Garcelle. More of them, please. 

[S18.E16: One on One: Part 2]

28 minutes ago, Kid said:

This interviewer is just terrible. Just because Janelle has six kids, that is not evidence that the sex was good. The sex very well may have been good but having six kids is not evidence of that. Especially, when her role in his life was to be a breeder.

I missed Suki implying (or saying?) that, but it is a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Kody also has six kids with Christine, and he not only has never loved her, he appears to never have ever liked her either. 

But I agree that Suki is a terrible interviewer. At one point Kody said that he didn't want to rekindle (my word) a relationship with Meri because he would not have felt safe. I was sure Suki would ask what he meant by that. But nope, she said that she wanted to go back to something else he had said. WTF? I could see Meri not feeling safe in a relationship with Kody as he is a cruel, narcissistic excuse for a human being. But why would Kody feel unsafe?  Was he afraid that Meri would smother him with love and adoration? She does that (or did until recently) already.

I think Christine revealing the ring story was to get back at Kody and show the viewers what a lie the whole family has been living for years. It was Meri's story to tell and I understand why she is upset, but I think Christine may have done her a favour. If Meri is writing a book, I would definitely read it if it contains more gems like that, of what a total POS Kody is. And how unreal this "reality" show has been, from the start. 

[S18.E16: One on One: Part 2]

I found the whole ring story fascinating. I am surprised that after Kody brought other wives into the family, he would still wear a wedding ring given to him by Meri. I guess that was to assert that Meri was the only legal wife? 

I remember the big deal they made about the ring that the wives gave Kody, and they all had matching rings as well IIRC? 

What boggles my mind is that when Kody brought Robyn into the family, Kody divorced Meri to marry Robyn so, supposedly, he could adopt her kids. As I recall, this whole storyline was sold to the audience as it being Meri's idea.  But now knowing that Kody told Meri even before he and Robyn married that he wanted to be free of her, Meri had to know he wanted to marry Robyn in part because he wanted a legal divorce from Meri. I have to give Meri credit for putting up a good front all those years. Mind you, she would have been too embarrassed to do otherwise. 

Robyn is wearing a very pretty ring on her ring finger. Is that new, or has she worn it since she married Kody? I only remember all the wives having the matching rings which, understandably, no one wears any longer. I just don't remember seeing Robyn's ring before.

And Robyn, everyone understands Kody speak. Even us, the viewers. He isn't complicated, and he isn't deep.  No interpreter needed.