Ambrosefolly

It will as they will actually have to create interesting stories and characters and can't rely on an existing IP for their audience.

Based on the “justice” that white people get (Kate Howard, AJ Quartermaine), the show sucks with justice and protecting anyone. As someone that is neither white nor black, my observation is that the legal system has trouble protecting women in general. In the last couple of years, I’ve heard separate stories of a white and black woman being targeted by their prior victimizers because the legal failed to properly inform them that the men had been paroled. In the case of the white woman, she was murdered and the black woman, she was seriously injured and her pre teen son was killed. Heather only stalked Trina (though that is very serious), but I would argue that white women are more in danger, as Heather hasn’t killed any African American people, but she has killed or attempted to kill several white women. Considering what a vindictive bitch Ava is, it is a bit surprising she isn’t pushing more for Heather to be locked in a mental hospital. If Dr.O doesn’t come back to at least to attempt to take out Heather, then I know there is no depth in this storyline.

Then by that metric, Carly is a less evil character than her because she hasn’t murdered anyone, just kidnapping, fraud and accessory to murder. Ava doesn’t own shit. The only good thing with Ava and Sonny sharing a kid is that they are stuck torturing each other because they are both incredibly slimy, so they regularly get out of trouble. And I find Maura West overly mannered. This show is very sad because between our three unrepentant killers, Ava commits the least amount of murderers.

As I said in the post, it is fine if you aren’t looking for morality. My point there isn’t anything in Ava’s history that makes her redeemed for what she did to Kate, AJ, and Morgan. She is still an evil character like Sonny and Carly, but unlike someone like Helena Cassadine, the show isn’t willingly to be honest about how immoral they are.

Or they justify or hand wave the truly evil things they do & they get storyline after storyline. See: Ava Jerome, Sonny Cornithos, now they trying to portray Carly as the matriarch even though she is currently covering up another murder. The current leads don’t suffer any repercussions for the shit they do. Mitch Lawerence was portrayed straight up,so I can at least appreciate the honesty. Even when he escapes justice, it is seen as wrong, not like with Ava when she murdered Kate and got AJ killed.

So it isn't so much they actually did anything redeemable, but people find them entertaining. I guess if they do something really shitty to a relative innocent (or someone they professed to care about) hopefully they don't do anything else shitty within the year, like Ava's back to back shooting Kate in cold blood and getting Sonny to kill AJ when he was searching for the truth. I get that people just enjoy watching evil characters when they are played by entertaining actors. Believe it or not, I do too, but to me, they aren't redeemed unless they fully make up for the things they did and being nice to a teen girl ≠ murdering 2 innocent people and swapping the meds from a troubled young man. To me, there is difference be from being entertained by dark characters and ignoring the bad stuff they do (and it fine if people value that more than morality in entertainment) and a character being redeemed. @YaddaYaddaGive Donna to Lucas. She'd probably be safer.

You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree with the assessment. More than redeemed herself because of Trina?? It is that line of thinking that got Guza to believe that Sonny is still the good guy. sarcasm Sonny gets a SAed teen to strip at his club, sleeps with her and gives her pills...water under the bridge and she's to blame because Sonny gave comfort care to Stone when he was dying of AIDS. And all the kidnappings and murders are fine because he did it out of love.sarcasm I'd would argue that Sonny sitting vigil by Stone's bedside did more for his redemption for he did to Karen than Ava being nice to Trinia, especially as Ava directly or indirectly got 3 people killed: Kate, AJ and Morgan. And I don't think he is ever redeemed for he did to Karen because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. Ava might have some pangs of guilt now and again, but she was over joyed when the confession went missing. AJ, on the other hand, was somewhat disturbed when he was found not guilty and was the only one that bothered to find out the truth about what happened to Kate. I don't root for Heather, because Heather was always a nasty person, but like I said, she was never crazy as Guza characterized when he brought the character back, so maybe cobalt poisoning explains why she acted like she did when she was high. As for Brad, being sleazy towards Michael and taking Wiley in a moment of weakness when Wiley's own mother even offered, since in the case of Michael nothing happened (thoughMichael was too forgiving in order to usher Lucas/Brad), weirdly, they are actually classic storylines. Tracy did try to coerce Jax into marrying her, so it isn't hugely different than Brad. 100%, though I think that Michael should be banished until he gives up Sonny.

See, right there. A rivalry or at least a resentment that should exist. I don't mind Lucas not constantly hating on Carly, but Lucas should definitely have a problem with her, which could have been stirred up with Bobbie's death. She never apologized for her role in breaking up his parents marriage when he was a child, nor lying to his Tony and driving him crazy (which caused Tony from being able to see Lucas and Lucas even being afraid of him), and judging by Carly reaction to Dante when he brought up when she paid Brooklynn to break up Lante, she probably would be equally dismissive. I don't remember Lucky particular hating Sonny, only Jason. Once Larry sobered up and the Liason/LL2 drama died down, he wasn't particular vindictive toward Jason, he just didn't have any use for him. It was my favorite attitude of Lucky towards the mob. While Jagger was going around the bend near the end, it felt like a Frank Grimes (Simpsons) situation where karma barely touches that waste of skin Sonny and it pisses him off.(At least Homer is only a buffoon, not inherently evil). One thing that the show is picking up from the Guza years is despite the shit Sonny stirs up, nearly unprovoked, somehow it is the people he victimizes who are the real villians. You know how Michael got shot in the head from a bullet meant for Sonny by a hit put out by Claudia (she didn't pull the trigger or was even there). Well, Claudia did it not because she wanted Sonny's territory, but because he kidnap her brother/son Johnny. She even gave Sonny a chance to release Johnny immediately with no issue, and Sonny refused. Then he is shocked, shocked that a mobster would make good on her threat.

I like the underdog myself, but the way the show redeems truly sociopathic and destructive murderers, I just can't anymore. AJ, Zander, Skye and are totally different than people like Heather and Ava. We saw it for ourselves how Sonny & Carly (with Jason's help) ruined AJ, that Jason and Courtney framed Zander for Courtney shooting that cop, and Skye was an old school schemer, but didn't actively murder or kidnap innocent people. Now Nina and Brad are little more grey: they did commit out right crimes, but in Nina's defense, she probably was insane after being put into a 20 year coma by her mother and finding out she was infertile when she nearly killed Ava by forcing her to give birth and kidnapping Avery, and Brad did try and blackmail Michael into sleeping with him (I don't like Michael, but that was pretty sleazy) and kept Wiley because he was afraid of losing Lucas, but luckily no one died. In a lot of ways, Brad is a fresh update of schemers like Tracy and Skye. But Ava and Heather did kill people and do other terrible things. But they brushed it aside for Ava and now they are doing it with Heather. Now, the cobalt poisoning thing, I get it is attempting to be a bit of a reset: Guza did turn her into a unstable murderous killer obsessed with Luke with one of his recons, but she wasn't a good person before that. If there is a consequence worth having, the show won't do it: see my post right above. With Sonny committing murder on Monica's property and Michael and Jason covering it up, that should be the last draw for Monica, and Michael and Jason should be banished from her property, only allowing Jake and Michael's kids, until they give Sonny up. But none of that will happen No, Carly demands that treatment of Michael and she might demand that treatment of Joss if it came down to it.

Ah, one of Lucas first storylines on this show was a love triangle involving him and his adopted cousins Maxie and Georgie. Whatever the girls feel towards their biodad Frisco, his brother Tony was their uncle through and through, especially after he and Bobbie allowed Maxie to have BJ's heart, and Lucas was raised by Tony and Bobbie since he was a baby. That storyline was so weird, I was relieved he came out as gay; chalk up his inapprioate feels towards his cousins was him unable to come to terms with being gay as a teen.

Bobbie was “curated” because Liz was freaked out after she was rape and Bobbie was a medical professional. Maybe because the writing had more depth, but the first iteration of LnL2 was only a couple years. She formed other relationships outside of the 4 Musketeers, especially when she became a nurse in 2005. Yes, Lucky had issues with Patrick and Jason(especially when he was high as a kite), but he didn’t police her friendships, especially with other women like Robin and Ephinany. Plus, when Emily took sides, it was mostly on Liz’s, especially when it involved her asshole brother Jason.

If it is with Lucas, that would be gross, not only because he is related through adoption, but because Lucas is so much older. @KerleyQyou read my mind. Again, why couldn’t they find an actor that is younger than the actors that play his older brothers? Chucky the tv series managed to portray a young gay teen storyline that was age appropriate and tame featuring under sixteen year old actors, and that show is one of the goriest shows ever.

What was wrong with the actor playing Aidan the last few years? Sorry, bugs me they cast an actor that is older than the actors that play his brothers (though, maybe recasts are in the works for them as well?)The height thing seems a stupid reason to me if he could act(but on brand with GH). JJ held his own with Tony Geary, and TG is way taller. Is it going to be some nesting doll situation where kids can’t be taller than the parent of the same sex? It isn’t weird for a dad to have a son much taller than him. Happened my family. They could remark he bears a resemblance to Luke Spencer.

Hudson West should have positioned as the new Jonathan Jackson. I am not saying tons, but he should have been a supporting player during the year and maybe a kid centric storyline during the summer, if he was opened to it. But we had terrible storylines involving NB’s Spencer being a huge brat. They also wasted Tequen Richmond when he was playing TJ. Now the audience doesn’t have much affection for the character, because he wasn’t properly built up.

Lulu became very annoying when they decided Lulu=Luke (who was fun and edgy) also meant Lulu=Carly. Yes, younger cousins can hero worship older cousins, but Carly had just helped hid Spencer's paternity from Nikolas for months. SORASed Lulu established that while Luke checked out of the parenting thing, Nikolas and Lucky looked out for her. She never said a word about Spencer to Carly. Carly also encouraged Lulu's worse impulses like interfering with Georgie's and Dillon's relationship. One huge issue with this show is how inauthentic they present characters like Carly and Sonny. The minute that Lulu stepped out of line, she went after her and never apologized for it. Her being at Lulu's bedside would meant something if she apologized to her for her revenge scheme, especially after who close they had become. Also, Sonny killed her nephew and only spent a few months in prison because of that idiotic governor and his daughter. I would be truly shocked if Tracy got the "I told you so," even though she not only right, but is using real world logic. If they came at her with "why would Sonny do something so stupid" she could retort "because you all keep covering for him" Oh, I'm sure that Sonny could be more self-involved. Well, at least SLS is all Sonny and Carly, and little AJ's influence.