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We’ll that last screen was a shocker 🙄

She uses “ok” as a empty word. She’s making a sound to pretend to be listening. ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…ok…

Not it.

Will you re-send me that diet you never sent me?

We have a new worst “patient.”

I hope he gains self-respect and it makes him realize he’s too good for her and he leaves her ass.

Just had to log in to say I don’t like Amber. And HAHA on her weight gain. Not nice of me. I know how hard it is but she’s so freaking self-righteous and bitchy.

I may be giving the show too much credit but I believe the accent shifts with Allison's character are deliberate on the show's part. They seem to be consistent shifts.

Dele as bad influence could be hilarious.

Glad I'm not the only one who's gotten sucked in! I have a few thoughts, observations, questions, some simple, some complicated: She's so desperately unhappy and keeps clinging to the idea that if she can just do this one thing, it will fix it. But that one thing is beyond her reach. In that, her happy place fantasies aren't unlike her attempts to have "one pretty thing" - the red lipstick, the table from Pottery Barn - but reality (and Kevin) always intrude. Originally her "happy place" not only included Kevin, but she was still serving him in it. She's still his subordinate and bringing him his beer, just in a much nicer kitchen. Her happy place/fantasy is a typical delusion in lot of ways, the kind of lies we all tell ourselves: if I could just do X, then I will be happy. Will she be happy if she kills him (and gets away with it)? Or will she just be unhappy in other ways? Speaking of which, is she isolated from her friends because she has walled herself away, as her ex-boyfriend suggests, or has Kevin isolated her? How much of her situation is her own doing (she let Kevin take care of the bank account because she's "bad with money") or Kevin's (is she "bad with money" the same way she's a "bad driver" -- because Kevin told her she was)? Is his cruelty deeper than just immaturity and selfishness? Is he a lovable/annoying dope or something more sinister? Even the "war" with the neighbors could be very sinister played out in the gritty/realistic world instead of the sitcom one. What would gritty reality Kevin look like if we could see him? She has hit several men, 2 "by accident" (realtor, mechanic/coke guy/ insurance dude/john). Is that a symbol of her internal rage or just being a clutz? I'm also interested in when/where her accent disappears. It's in all the sitcoms scenes and in some of the gritty scenes, but not all of them. We've had her aunt comment on the time she decided as a teen to get rid of her accent, so it's definitely a deliberate choice. I think I noticed it gone when she talked to the waitress in her fantasies and she she talks to her exbf, but not positive... I'm not sure why I find it so fascinating, but I do. I hope it goes somewhere interesting.

Until I came to read this thread, I fully thought part 2 of the episode was next week. I had no idea last night was the finale. In a weird way, I'm glad it's continued until next season because I was getting seriously worried they might be planning to keep Dele in Nigeria. Chuck Lorre has been known to ship children off when they're not working in a series (Mom), but Dele is one of my favorite characters in this show and the actor who plays him is just adorable. I'm glad for the cliffhanger if only because it ensures we get Dele back next season.

Olu and Laptop are sisters. I like how they've maintained the zoom framing issues with Laptop while still finding a way to expand her character profile a bit. Initially she was 100% overbearing Mom but I think the cake scene went a little way toward showing (a) she can be insightful and (b) she seems to be pretty accepting of Bob, all things considered. Speaking of overbearing, I may be alone here, but I don't think they're portraying Tayo as 100% bad guy. I think he's been fairly consistently portrayed as an arrogant man who firmly buys the "Man is the king of his castle" crap and believes his choices are the best for everyone, whatever they *think* they want. That said, I don't think he's deliberately trying to hurt Dele or punish Abishola;. I think Abishola's marriage to Bob made him feel that he needed to (re)gain control over his "family," and if he can't control Abishola, he'll make sure he doesn't let some American man raise/ruin his son. I think he believes Dele will be better off with him for the same reason told Dele to stop dancing - a "father knows best and Dele will thank me one day" kind of thing rather than a "I'm going to be an asshole because I want to make my son unhappy" kind of thing. I'm not defending any of that or saying it makes him a good guy. I just think the writers have done a decent job of not turning Tayo into a mustache-twirling villain, which isn't easy considering the storyline.

He wanted Tunde to feel useful, so he gave him something to fix and people to mentor.

So I read an article last week that I can't find now. It was a localish interviiew with Billy Gardell. In it he mentioned the season finale and said Any thoughts as to what that could be? edited- found the article! It's https://triblive.com/aande/movies-tv/tv-talk-swissvale-native-billy-gardell-grateful-for-bob-hearts-abishola-success/ So the exact quote is:

Maybe we'll get 5 more minutes of exposition to tie things up (in lieu of actually showing us anything).

I love them together too.

So... death for one or both.

Yeah, I'm thinking the new format required a bit more scripting (with 2 people doing the hosting duties) and that could be what I'm seeing. Hopefully it will get better and/or the hosting change is a temporary COVID-related one. I do like seeing Eddie doing some judging (and I agree he's more loose in those segments). I've enjoyed watching him as a judge in The Big Bake too. I wonder what the BBQ guy thinks of getting all these baking-show gigs? 😉

He did mention him when he listed a bunch of the show’s big bads. (Currently watching the vid @Casseiopeia posted).

I was a little annoyed to have Ree around for the whole show. I like her fine but honestly, I watch this show for Eddie (and for the cookies). I thought he seemed more stilted/scripted than usual when I watched this ep. Right now FN is doing a CCC marathon and after watching a few eps from earlier seasons I see I’m right. He’s definitely looser and more jokey/less scripted when he’s by himself with the contestants. Not sure why, since he and Ree seem to get along fine.

This is hilarious. And, considering how often (and why) my cat makes that sound, very accurate.

I can answer from my own perspective as I've watched all 15 years of the show but only found it about 6 years ago and I've never been a part of the fandom (beyond very occasionally reading/posting here) and know very little about the bts stuff and various social media wars beyond what I've gleaned from reading here more frequently in the last month or two. I have no particular attachment to Dean/Jensen over Sam/Jared or Cas/Misha - I love them all. I've grown increasingly frustrated with/disillusioned with the show since about season 12. Hated Mary after her return ( she was cold and distant), hated the British Men of Letters storyline, HATED losing Crowley (I loved him in a way as much as Dean/Sam/Cas -- in a smartass demon I love to hate kind of way), hated the nephilim storyline, hated the increasing focus on Jack over the next couple of years. Hated seasons 13 and 14 so much I can barely tell you anything that happened in them beyond a relentlessly depressing trudge through grey AUverse. I was really starting to enjoy the Michael possesses Dean story and was excited about where it was going, but when that disappeared a few episodes in I wondered WTF and the rest of that season (whichever it was) was just meh for me. I don't even remember how it was resolved although I watched every episode. I didn't even start watching Season 15 until probably October of this year. I'm watching it for the sake of completing the series only. This really hasn't been the show I loved for a very long time. I'm currently working my way back through the series from the beginning and remembering just how good it used to be. I'm quite sure I'll stop my rewatch at the end of 11 or at the very latest, end of 12.

So I went back and rewatched the scene from 15:4. The "no classic rock, no mention of Cas, low-stakes ending" response was to Chuck's first draft. After she said that, he rewrote it to the one with the "Winchester" gravestone that she found so cruel and dark. I'm guessing the new script is the one where Dean was supposed to kill Sam that they refused to follow. So I think Char on Twitter has a cool idea but I don't think it's a grand plan by the SPN writers 😞

@Binns posted this in Spoilers with Speculation and I wanted to post it here because (a) it's not a spoiler, (b) it relates directly to this conversation about how bad the finale was and (c) it's so brilliant that I will now almost cry if it doesn't turn out to mean something important:

My feelings on the episode are starting to solidify, so why not share them? 🙂 I'm still conflicted (lots of good, bad and meh to go around) but I've come to the conclusion that the biggest problem with 19 isn't what happened but how it happened. The idea Jack's mega-explosion in the empty led to him becoming a power-absorbing black hole isn't a bad one. It even (kinda) works with the laws of physics. The idea that Chuck pulled Lucifer from the Empty to steal the book and that Michael (in his anger over Daddy's rejection) initially worked with Sam & Dean but betrayed them to win back Daddy's love also makes perfect sense. That Sam & Dean could read all the players involved and figure out a way to outsmart Chuck is in character and very satisfying. Whoever mentioned above that they used Jack as a tool made me feel much better about Jack being the savior. So all of that works. The problem is that they tried to cram all of that into a single episode so we never had any time for the tension to build, to wonder what was going on, to ask the whys. If they had started this part of the arc 5 or 6 episode back, we could have gotten invested and felt the tension build. Michael could have begun to work with them when Chuck began destroying the AU worlds. Sam and Dean should have come up with the plan to find and kill a reaper to get a new Death to read the book. Lucifer could have gotten involved at that point, and we could have had a whole episode around finding/killing a reaper and the guys using Lucifer while not trusting him. Meanwhile in the background, we could start seeing Jack's eyes glow any time Michael or Lucifer expended power and we could wonder what was going on with him. We could even see him encouraging them to use their power unnecessarily as Sam and Dean exchange a look in the background. At the time it would have been ambiguous. Were they worried about Jack? Maybe we have a scene shortly after Michael and Lucifer are in the mix where Dean says to Sam, "We need to talk about Jack." Enough to let us know they're aware of or worried about something but not enough to give away the game. I don't mind the theme of the ending, Sam & Dean winning back their free will over Chuck by outsmarting him. I just think it could have been written much, much more effectively.