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I'd have a little more respect for Bridge Part 2,047 if the two of them were like "we don't need to get married. We can commit to each other without that, and we've clearly shown that a marriage can be ended practically in minutes." And, besides, when was the last Forrester wedding that wasn't chock full of shocks or interruptions? Best not to court that juju. I still hate that we're still dealing with Sheila on our screens, but, at the same time, I will laugh forever if Steffy and Liam have to put up with Kelly practically worshipping her because she saved her life. They really are going to drive that bus over Finn multiple times to sell the pairing literally nobody wants, aren't they? If I was a Steffy fan, I would be furious.

I feel like there are multiple different issues all contributing. One, Hope is Brooke's golden child, and she's always wanted Liam, so Brooke wants Liam for her. Two, she and Taylor both saw the fight over Liam as an extension of their own fight, and each advocated super hard for their daughter to "win," because it would mark a victory over the other woman in their own decades long war. Third, I think there may also be some level of validation there in Hope choosing to be in the same situation she's in. Now, this fourth one, I wasn't around for, but I've seen enough about it - Hope got together with Liam after she ending things with Oliver. And things with Oliver ended because he and Brooke "accidentally" hooked up at a masquerade party. She may feel like if Liam is Hope's own "destiny," then it gives her some absolution on being the reason Hope and Oliver ended. Lastly, I think she just likes and gets along with Liam. Since the only other man circling around her for years has been Thomas, who Brooke has all kinds of reasons to not trust, Liam is the "safe" option. Now, if anyone was to ask Brooke, it would likely be that her only answer is that she likes Liam and she knows Hope has been in love with him for years. The rest of that is probably fairly subconscious. But, I do wonder how that third issue can come into play now that Hope has explicitly stated that she doesn't want to live like her mother has. Does it make Brooke start to re-evaluate whether it's truly how she wants to live out the rest of her years? Or does she just dig in and cling to her "destiny" even harder?

She probably managed to install a Lojack on him when they hugged. All I could think through all of their scenes since she was released was "so, what's your plan here, Deacon? You going to just be in a relationship with someone who you can never, ever acknowledge you're in a relationship with, or else you lose literally everyone who matters to you? How well did keeping it a secret work out for you last time? Hope almost caught Sheila in your apartment at least once. Ridge and Bill figured you out. There is no way this staying a secret is sustainable." Far be it from me to defend Steffy when it comes to Liam/Hope, but I didn't really like when Hope said something to the effect of "did she tell you the role Steffy played in all of this?" while talking to Ridge and Brooke. Steffy has more than enough real blame over the years for some shit, but, before Hope kissed Thomas, all had been calm on the Steam front for a couple years, ever since Hopequin night. Is it possible that the reason she started fantasizing about Thomas was because, subliminally, his whole "I'm the man who is devoted to only you" shit started to dig in a little and felt good compared to being one leg of a triangle her entire life? Sure. But, Steffy had no actual role in everything that's gone down here and now. That was the one time in all of this that I totally agreed with Liam that Hope was deflecting too hard onto the whole Steam thing. I wonder if it's that Hope has such a problem understanding how she, with all of her moral stances on relationships, kissed a man other than her husband, so she's got to keep telling herself this is all because of the waffling. I mean, I'm still 99.9% on her side in all of this, but that was wrong of her. And, did I catch something in her scenes with Ridge, when she said that she understands he's worried about Thomas because he's his son, and he corrected her that he worries about "all" of his kids, was he trying to make it clear to Hope that he included her in that? The show seems to largely forget that he was one of the father figures in her life most of the time, so it took me a second to wonder if he was including her in that, too, letting her know that he's worried about her in all of this, as well. I honestly think that the last time I remember Ridge overtly acknowledging Hope as one of his kids was when he made her wedding dress back when KM was playing her. He was still more Steffy's father than hers at that point, but I do at least remember him making a point of claiming Hope, as well, during those scenes. (Of course, it was probably mostly to set up Deacon as the shitty father who was about to help thwart her wedding while "good" daddy Ridge was the supportive one who made her dress for her).

And did Li ever refuse to cooperate over the charges for assaulting, kidnapping, and attempting to murder her?

I thought Tim Meadows, too. I even had myself convinced she looks a little like him, around the eyes. I was a little distracted during part of the episode, but was Olivia actually encouraging someone to guess Jim Carrey for Chris? If so, that was pretty genius on her part. At this point, I've flip flopped multiple times on whether Olivia is related to either him or Jenny McCarthy. But, either way, those Carrey clues are obviously about her, so reinforcing someone else thinking they're for Chris is pretty good game play. Even better if she's related to Jenny, because she's kind of double misdirecting people on her clues, then. And she wasn't doing it overtly and obviously like Carly was doing in the first episode.

At one point, I wanted a Steffy/Vinny pairing so badly. And, speaking of things I want but won't get... I want Liam's whole plan here to go in a direction he hasn't considered. I want it to lead to Steffy and Finn having a long overdue conversation about how he's never been able to discuss his understandably complicated feelings about Sheila because he's always had to prioritize Steffy's also understandable fear and hatred of her. It's entirely possible that he's succumbing to Sheila's manipulations now because he hasn't had any healthy outlet to really go over all of his own reaction to her - to initially meeting her, to finding out her history with Steffy's family, to her shooting the two of them and attempting to kill his mother. Let Liam's tattling lead to Steffy and Finn strengthening their marriage as they deal with it. Also, when watching Wednesday's show (I've been catching up the past couple of days), I wanted to slap Liam with his "I trusted Finn to protect them when I can't be there." No, bitch, you trusted him to protect Kelly when you aren't there. Steffy and Hayes are Finn's to protect and trust others with, not yours. Every single thing Liam has said and done since the moment he saw that kiss has just reinforced all the things Hope has said to him that he's trying to deflect.

Yep. I'm envisioning teen Kelly and Beth, and one of them will be the "good girl" while one is the "bad girl." And the hot guy at school will probably pursue the good girl as his girlfriend while he's cheating with the bad girl behind her back. And that will lead to a lifetime of them fighting over some guy.

Sadly, if they retcon anything, it will likely be to reveal that Hayes is really Liam's, after all. Then he and Steffy can have their "Finn who?" happily ever after with their two perfect kids.

Judging from how Ridge's immediate reaction to the news was concern about Thomas going back to being obsessive, I'm thinking what's going to happen is that Thomas starts realizing that Hope, while she enjoys the orgasms, isn't as into him as he's into her, and he's going to start becoming obsessive again. I could see him using the Sheila threat to try to manipulate her into moving the relationship forward fast, like saying he needs to move in with her and the kids (or they need to move in with him) so he can protect them all. (Exactly the same bullshit Liam is going to pull on Steffy, basically). I'm hoping that the fact that Wyatt isn't coddling Liam like the poor little victim he wants to be, and that he went to Hope to get her side, giving us the longest scene DB and AN have had together, means we might actually be getting Hope/Wyatt when all the dust settles.

Definitely. If his concern was, first and foremost, that the hug meant Steffy and the kids were in danger, he would have told her about it immediately. Instead, he retreated so he can contemplate how best to use the information to his advantage. I love how much Wyatt is not indulging Liam's bullshit.

What I've noticed more is their conversation. It's so clear that, from her side, this is all about Liam. They talk about him. Hope talks about wanting someone who only wants her. Nothing about her wanting Thomas specifically, but her wanting someone who isn't Liam. If Thomas wasn't so dazzled by finally getting what he wants, he'd realize that this isn't, exactly, what he wants. He's the rebound who's helping her get up the gumption to end her marriage to a waffle. Are we going to get Steffy having a nervous breakdown (probably aided by Sheila fucking with her) to facilitate JMW's maternity leave? And, when she's back, WaffleMan will bust her out of the mental hospital where Sheila has probably bribed some staffers to drug her up and impede any recovery?

This is so much better than the crap we're likely about to get. I really thought it was going to turn out that Finn was somehow in on Ridge and Bill's last plot, with all of the talk about how many hours he was spending at the hospital during that same time. I figured he was telling Steffy he was at the hospital when he was really meeting with the two of them. So, I would definitely be up for that now. And it would make sense, if this was a new backup plan, that they got someone to pull some strings for him to actually be acceptable as the doctor who examined her to make sure she was physically fit for the trial. There's no way that her biological son, who is also one of her victims, should have been allowed to sign off on her fitness. (And I know he mentioned something about his boss not being OK with it, but it's the court who should have completely refused to take his word for it, given his giant conflict of interest).

Liam is such an ass. First, there's the whole mentioning his daughter last on that list of people he needs to protect, when she should be the first and only one on there. Second, if you really think that Finn is endangering Steffy and the kids, why wouldn't you just spit that out, instead of sitting on it while you go off to ponder how best to use this information to get into Steffy's pants? And why wouldn't your immediate reaction, if you're genuinely worried about anyone's safety living there, be to go over and say that, since Sheila is out on the loose, you would prefer bringing Kelly with you over to Bill's house, maybe along with an offer to take Hayes, too for a couple days if they'd like the time to beef up their security? Instead, you're just worrying about being able to "neener neener" Finn over hugging Sheila. I swear, we just need Wyatt to slap some common sense into Liam on a daily basis these days. I cracked up at Carter being all "yeah, none of the evidence was admissible" today, after the judge has tossed the case. Where was that take a couple months ago, or even the day before the hearing, Carter? Way to help everyone prepare for how that hearing was going to go. Instead of inevitably hiring Sheila Doubtfire to be the kids' new nanny, shouldn't Steffy be out there looking for big burly security guard/nanny? Someone who could conveniently be her new love interest if she dumps Finn?

At this point, from Steffy's point of view, the only point Liam should have in his favor over Finn is that he doesn't come with any ties to Sheila. Other than that, Finn has been better for her in every way. Sheila would probably prefer this pairing. She knows Taylor is way easier to reel in than Steffy is.

Since TN is so much better when he gets a chance to play Finn with more fire, it's a shame they haven't had him be more of this kind of guy.

All this work to build up a pairing that literally nobody wants. And, I swear, if I hear one single "cha cha cha"...

Does Sheila even remember those kids exists? Because she is sure acting like Finn is the only child she's ever had. Instead of another ridiculous Sheila in disguise story, it would be more plausible if she convinced one of those kids to come to town and get the nanny job. (Obviously not Mary, since someone in town would likely recognize her). After Steffy has already encountered Sheila in disguise, you'd think that, if someone shows up who is the right build, Steffy would include "OK, and now I'm just going to need you to take off your shoes and socks for me" in the nanny interviews.

TN is so good at antagonistic scenes instead of the bland, schmoopy good guy stuff he's normally stuck with. He could definitely use at least being a little more of a gray character than he is now. I've been wanting to see Li on screen, but now I'm kind of hoping they don't bring her on just for her to see her son embracing his bio mother who damn near killed both of them, like he had some gaping mom sized hole in his childhood.

And, apparently, the FBI agents they were working with just shrugged and went along with it, instead of saying "oh, hey, guys, the way you're going about this is likely to lead to it all getting tossed."

So, the FBI was involved in that whole plan, and they didn't make sure they went about it appropriately? And why can't the shooting of Finn and Steffy be revisited? This would certainly not be the first time that previously uncooperative witnesses said "never mind, I want to cooperate now." Sheila wasn't tried for those charges, so there's no double jeopardy. This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. And, even if we accept that this was actually legally sound, then Carter's very first question to the judge should have been "how do we obtain restraining orders for all of my clients against Ms. Carter?" I agree with everyone who suspects that all the nanny mentions mean we're going to get a Mrs. Doubtfire Sheila storyline. I fear that Finn will figure it out quickly (or even that Sheila will reveal herself to him quickly), and he will keep it from Steffy so that he can spend time getting to know Sheila. Of course, once Steffy finds out, that clears the path for the shitty pairing that is Steam. I feel bad for TN that he's probably going to end up written out not too long after that, because what else is there for him to do? Sit around and be Sheila's son? Become an outcast family of three with Sheila and Deacon? Speaking of Deacon, how soon until he blows up all of his other relationships in town to be with newly freed Sheila and keep her likely Mrs. Doubtfire scheme a secret? I was cracking up at the Brooke/Eric/Deacon scenes today, with the two of them going on, totally unaware of his feelings for her. I was half expecting Eric to go there with something about how Bill even had to fuck the crazy to keep up the ruse, and who would want to do that. (Not that Eric himself hasn't already fucked that crazy.) So, is Liam going to become an even bigger asshole and start threatening Finn with telling Steffy what he saw, or just running right back into that hearing to scream out to everyone "Finn is hugging Sheila! Right now! Out in the hallway!" I guess the show has decided against the expense of having a courtroom set, when they can just cram half the cast into a judge's chambers instead. All of the Sheila legal scenes have been in chambers, and so was the Douglas custody hearing. They should have really gone for it and just made it a Zoom hearing, with everyone gathered around a laptop in the FC CEO's office.

So, they made Liam an asshole to sell Thope, and now they're making Finn a dumbass to sell Steam? Liam can't even be honest with himself when the only two parties in the conversation know exactly what really happened. He doesn't have any romantic interest in Steffy? The two of them are just going to pretend he didn't break land speed records running to try to get in Steffy's pants as soon as he had an excuse? And he respects Finn? That's not how you treat someone you respect, Lameass. I loved the Wyatt/Hope scenes. I like that he went to her not as "Liam's brother," but as her friend, too, who he has history with. And he listened to her and didn't blow off her feelings the way his brother keeps doing. I'm really hoping the show decides to go there with these two. Not right away, but let them be friends who hang out a lot, and just let it develop.

I don't think they ever got married. If they did, I blinked and missed it. They were just engaged, but I'm going to assume even that is no longer a thing, since we haven't seen or heard of her in God knows how long. (Not that I'm complaining. I'm cool with pretending she never existed.)

I fear either outcome in that WTD equally. I don't want her running back to Liam, but I also don't want it to be Thomas's kid, and she sees that as a sign they should be together, with all kinds of "we're giving Douglas a sibling! And we're going to be a family!" From a planning for future generations perspective, it makes more sense for any pregnancy to be Liam's, since a kid who's biologically Hope's and Thomas's would be biologically related to literally every single member of their generation so far. But, seriously, let's just not have a pregnancy, show. Hope being freed up to live her life loses its punch if she's immediately pregnant and tied right back down to either one of them.

Yeah, he didn't freak out like Carly, who practically hyperventilated anytime someone even glanced at her clues.

They're all just mad that Cole took their layup. I had a feeling when he started talking that he was going to pick Shayne. It was the smart move. Take the one you know for sure instead of the one that you think might be true. Then, we saw him overhearing Chris telling the other guys that Carsyn said Jeff Gordon was wrong, and he probably figured that Shayne and Monay were playing him the same way everyone thinks they played Jane. And he also probably figured that Shayne was likely just flirting with him to get him on her side, not because she genuinely liked him. He had to protect his own spot in the house by going for who he knew instead of acting as someone else's weapon. And Monay's confessional about how she and Shayne had been figuring out his clues just confirms for all of us that he did the right thing. Chris got a little smart and realized that he would be doing himself no favors to go running and telling anyone else whose clue he picked or what it says. But, then he lost smart points by saying that people were saying Hugo is tied to a President and not being able to figure out who that President is. If you're thinking President, and you see "farmer" on the clue, it's kind of an easy guess from there. At this point, I think Cole and Gabriel are my favorites. They're just kind of rolling along playing the game without acting like they're entitled to stay, or that it's so mean and unfair if someone tries to figure out who they are.