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BACK TO BASICS: ARROW 5X01 REVIEW (LEGACY) jbuffyangel OCTOBER 06, 2016 @ 02:57 http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/151418343303/back-to-basics-arrow-5x01-review-legacy

Craig Wack and Tatiana Torres are back with their reviews of tv superhero shows this week (I mostly listened to the Arrow segment)... Agents of GEEK Podcast Episode 46 Posted on 10/07/2016 http://agentsofgeekpodcast.com/wordpress/ -- I did catch the tail end of their Flash review: They both felt uncomfortable with the WestAllen romance because Barry & Iris grew up as siblings and, no matter that the Flashpoint timeline changed that so Iris no longer knew about that relationship, Barry still knew and still had this romantic interest in his "sister." Craig viewed Barry Allen as a villain - someone who's very selfish and who keeps messing with the timeline in order to create his own perfect world. Tatiana noted that Oliver makes decisions for other people all the time but he does it because he's trying to protect them; however, "there's nothing about the decisions Barry makes - outside of, you know, trying to protect his mom - that is ever for another person. It's always for what he wants and what will make him happy." Craig said that Flash used to be that show you looked forward to, but now it's that show you dread on Tuesday nights. -- Craig said that Arrow "got off to a much better start" and Tatiana said that "Arrow was fantastic." It reminded Craig of when Agents of SHIELD reset their show. Craig thought that this was the first episode of Arrow "in a long, long time" that felt like an episode of Arrow. -- They noted that things that happened and lessons learned by Oliver in the flashbacks are now directly related to what's going on in the present (breaking out of the handcuffs). Tatiana noted that, unlike last season, there's already lots of forward momentum in the flashbacks (meeting his old friend and trying to get initiated into Bratva). -- Tatiana thought that Diggle's scene was "organic' and also showed that the Oliver/Diggle bond was still there. -- Tatiana thought that Thea "was still the worst, as usual," but Craig disagreed. Craig thought that Laurel was the worst (see below). -- Craig thought that Felicity "was in the best Felicity form." She was all banter-y with Oliver and was being "the mother hen that she is." -- As for the Felicity boyfriend reveal, Tatiana said that she's just going to pretend that that didn't happen: "Nope, no snippet happened at the end." Craig laughed and said that this cop "probably doesn't know a salmon ladder from a sit-up." They joked that this cop (played by Tyler Ritter, who played Ward's brother in Agents of SHIELD) probably has no physical or emotional scars and that he's probably all happy. -- Craig then commented on what he considered "a large black stain on what was otherwise a good episode" and noted that he wasn't referring to the Black Canary statue "that looked like it was made of cheese." (He also noted that poor Thea couldn't find anything to cover her legs and looked like she was freezing out there.) He's referring, of course, to the Laurel flashback scene - how she was "awful beyond the grave." Craig noted that this was supposed to be the impetus for Oliver putting a new team together, but he said that "this was such terrible retconning, it makes me sick." Craig noted that last season, Laurel was fine and recovering right before this flashback scene took place. But now, she's saying, "don't let me be the last Canary," which totally takes away the shock of her death because it makes it seem like she knew she was going to die. He also noted that, while she was dying, "Imitation Canary was roaming around... trying to steal the Canary's shit. It's all just too much." Tatiana wasn't as angry about the retconning, but was just glad that it was done and that she isn't coming back. She also thought that no one deserved such an ugly statue. They're interpreting Laurel's words as paving the way for "Imitation Canary" (Evelyn Sharp) to come back, just like Sara's death paved the way for Laurel to become Black Canary. Craig called it "karma." -- Craig thought that Oliver "was the right amount of dark" and also said that the show is "stronger when Oliver Queen has to deal with the world, rather than just the Arrow." -- Tatiana liked that, in Oliver's interactions with Felicity, although there's relationship drama (because she's dating someone new), "the Ollie/Felicity chemistry was still there." So "it's not like where you also have this thing bringing down the episode where they're not talking and making everything else uncomfortable." They're still talking and confiding in each other, and although there's this part that's still "broken", it's not the main part of the story. -- Tatiana laughed that Chad Coleman's character was carrying a bat, since he played Tyrese on The Walking Dead.

Arrow 5×01 Review: Moving Forward 2 DAYS AGO by ALYSSA BARBIERI http://fangirlish.com/arrow-5x01-review-moving-forward/

AK mentions how they didn't get a handle on Arrow creatively until the back half of S1 and indicates that Supergirl will not be merging into the Arrowverse (rest of article contains spoilers)... Supergirl boss goes in-depth about changes with show's move to CW BY NATALIE ABRAMS October 7, 2016 http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/07/supergirl-season-2-cw-spoilers

The Other Forbes Guy reviewed 501 and loved it - again, I don't agree with everything said... Wait A Second, Why Was The 'Arrow' Premiere Fantastic? Paul Tassi Oct. 6, 2016 http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/10/06/wait-a-second-why-was-the-arrow-premiere-fantastic/#7ab3bc9571be

There were 4 good cops that Quentin said were trustworthy and not corrupt - Lt. Conahan (Ryan Williams, a/k/a Mr. Poppy), Officer Benton (Jay Hindle), Officer Fisher (?) and fourth unnamed officer (?). Those 4 cops helped the Green Arrow rescue the hostages and were made part of Oliver's Anti-Crime Unit (ACI), but Lt. Conahan was killed by Prometheus at the end. Felicity's boyfriend is Detective Malone (Tyler Ritter), who was not made part of the ACI for some reason. There were also a bunch of unnamed bad cops.

This review also critiqued Flash 301, but I focused primarily on Arrow 501 (tbc, I don't agree with everything said by this reviewer - or everything said by other reviewers quoted in this thread)... Arrow and The Flash Are Both Trying to Course Correct, But Can They Be Saved? Posted on October 6, 2016 by Kelly Konda https://weminoredinfilm.com/2016/10/06/arrow-and-the-flash-are-both-trying-to-course-correct-but-can-they-be-saved/

You're welcome. Yep, I did like 501 more than I expected (but my expectations were low going in)... Arrow “Legacy” Review (Season 5, Episode 1) Jessica Breaux October 6, 2016 http://www.tvequals.com/2016/10/06/arrow-legacy-review-season-5-episode-1/

The Best Moment of Arrow's Return Was Also Its Goofiest James Whitbrook Yesterday 11:00am http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-best-moment-of-arrows-return-was-also-its-goofiest-1787485749

'Arrow' Season 5 Premiere Recap: Oliver Gets His Groove and Murder Streak Back Wednesday, October 05, 2016 Derek Stauffer http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-season-5-premiere-recap-61539.aspx

From 501... Oliver: "Hey, look. Being a vigilante is not just putting on a mask and thinking up a codename. These people are amateurs, Felicity. You really think that they're going to replace Dig or Thea or Laurel? They couldn't do that if I wanted them to, and I don't want them to." Felicity: "I am jealous. I've been trying to get Oliver to work with a team for weeks now." Oliver (over comms): "They're not a team!" Felicity (over comms): "Well, you can look it up. A team is 'a group of persons associated with a joint action.'" Oliver: “There’s a Russian proverb. I’ve been thinking about it a lot recently. Akula, kotorya Ne plavayet, Ne tonet. 'The shark that does not swim drowns.' You don’t move forward, you die.” Felicity: "Oh. That. Well, I just thought since you decided to 'keep swimming' as mayor, you might do the same as Green Arrow." Oliver: "You might be right." Felicity: "Lance told me about the Russian proverb, by the way. Very poetic. Wait - did you just say I might be right? Are you okay?"

Arrow’s Season Five Premiere Shows that Moving On is Easier Said than Done OCTOBER 6, 2016 VERENA COTE http://www.4ye.co.uk/2016/10/arrows-season-five-premiere-shows-that-moving-on-is-easier-said-than-done/

New players in Star City and Laurel's secret revealed in the Arrow Season 5 premiere Trent Moore Wed, Oct 05, 2016 9:03pm http://www.blastr.com/2016-10-5/new-players-star-city-and-laurels-secret-revealed-arrow-season-5-premiere

Keep an eye out for these interviews...

PB was live tweeting during 501 - some of his tweets...

From SA facebook page on Oct. 5... "Snapped by a Crew Member. Keeping things bad ass. Arrow is back tonight!!!"

Includes clips from two scenes between Oliver Queen and Nate Heywood (Nick Zano)... DC's Legends of Tomorrow | Nick Zano Interview | The CW Published on Oct 6, 2016, by The CW Television Network

Pic in Conahan's phone?

I don't drink, but this show may get me started. The papps seem to be contradicting each other, so I don't know what's going on.

More pics: http://yvrshoots.com/2016/10/dc-tv-4-way-crossover-white-canary-green-arrow-atom-speedy-diggle-mick-firestorm-the-flash-tonight-in-vancouver-rain.html