TheFinalRose

I'm sure that after last night Peter will now stomp his feet and say "I'm moving out" and pack his stuff and move into the rooms over his parents' garage.

Goodbye Peter for now. I fully expect him to be doing his dork dancing on the beach this summer on BIP, as there is no way this confused man child who STILL LIVES AT HOME WITH BARBARA THE WITCH s going to last with Madison.

Peter" "I love Madison and that should be enuf." Except we've just watched weeks and weeks of Peter not knowing what he wants. I want filmage of Madison dumping Peter again after this.

The horror of being three hours late = held up by production. Mamma Webber is the worst. This relationship is doomed.

No woman will marry into that crazy family after this expose. Can you imagine trying to tell this witch that you are not coming to Christmas at her house this year? And Mamma and Pappa Webber 's marriage lasted because Pappa got to fly out of crazy town every week to get a break from the crybaby.

Sounds like Mamma Webber is trying to talk Maddie out of it. I bet when Peter sees this he finally gets mad at his mommy for the first time. What a beeyotch.

Not a good sign Peter when she is covering her face with her hands and she keeps saying "stop."

I assume they cut out the scene of Mamma Weber fainting when she saw her widdle boy's boo boo for the first time.

Hannah Ann's dress straps are taking over.

This is so disturbing and so stomach-turning and you might be on to something. I don't know that Chris Harrison would forgo his role as host and hand it over to Mama Weber (she'd have to fight Ben Higgins for it don't forget). However, maybe, because the Senior Bachelor might not have living parents, Mama Weber has probably already inked the contract to fill in and play the role of the "mother/advisor." Our only hope is that Peter has proven to be such a terrible and unpopular bachelor that Fleiss & Co. might decide to cut their losses and tell Mama Weber they are going in the proverbial different direction.

Some intrepid sleuth on Reddit actually located the house (or actually the three-car-garage bay) shown in the previews. It's an Airbnb for rent somewhere in CA. My guess is that he's dumping Hannah Ann because he can't stop thinking of Maddie, or Maddie decided to give it a go, or Hannah Brown texted him to see what's up and he realizes he can't marry Hannah Ann. At least Arie let Becca sit down on the couch while he dumped her. Peter looks like he broke it off while they were taking out the garbage.

AND no mention of how Peter's mooning over his Queen Hannah Brown practically ruined the first two episodes/weeks/dates? Remember the almost mutiny because he had to cancel the date to go back to his room and mope over his feelings for Hannah?

Didn't Kelsey just admit to calling someone (I'm too lazy to look up who) a f-ing dramatic bitch on the same show? Didn't Tammy just accuse Mykenna of spreading her legs every time the camera turned her way? And then we get the lecture? Couldn't Rachel have just shown us an update on her successful life post Bachelorette? Why is Rachel just put in the lecturer box?

Tammy: "I trust that you know what you're doing." Oh, the shade! She never stops.

Chris Harrison is so bored.

Kelley said she wasn't invited.

His scar was looking especially Frankenstein-ish at that Rose Ceremony.

Obviously they gave Madison a call time ten minutes later than everyone else.

I am so relieved I can watch this show without worrying that one of these ninnies is going to be inflicted on us as the Bachelorette.

Okay, I posted this theory on the Bachelor spoiler thread but am reposting here. My theory is that they already have their silver fox male lead for the Senior Bachelor show and they picked Clare so they could plant him in her group of guys. He will make it to F4 or 3 and be absolutely HEARTBROKEN. But! Never fear! Senior Bachelor is ready to film and we're all invested in seeing him find love. I'm excited for Clare and for some older guys. These vapid dimwit 20-somethings from the past few years have been tough to watch.

Clare talking to the raccoon on the first season of BIP (or second season? IDK) was one of the BEST bachelor edits. She is a producer favorite for going along with all that with a smile on her face. Anyway, here's my theory. They already have their lead for Senior Bachelor and they will plant him on Clare's season. She's what, 39 or 40? So they can stick a few silver foxes in her cast. He'll make it to F3 and get cut, and we will follow his journey on SENIOR Bachelor. Here's hoping that Clare finds true love .... and cheers to not having a TIA season.

Oh they were perfect for each other. I still think they might wind their way back into each other's lives. I said this before, their final fight was something they probably would have gotten over in real life if they had a chance to calm down, think about what happened and reapproach each other the next day and offer some heartfelt apologies. For me, it's all of this and his stupid WOOHOO-ing and his dumb rolling his arms in the air dad dancing. He cannot be off my tv screen soon enough.

I suppose Victoria's crying act reminds him of his mother. We've seen Mamma Weber's teary plea to "Bring her home" and most of us can't imagine why she's so torn up about a woman whom--if it's Maddie--she's met only once or twice, and if it's Hannah or Victoria then met only once. (That's assuming all goes well and the final 2 meet Peter's parents). Peter responds to tears and views them as evidence of great feelings and love and we can all see why he thinks that. Yes he seems extremely dim. Maddie was saying, if you want to be my husband, then start acting like it. I like how she said actions mean more to her than words but Peter put "the process" on a pedestal and it fell over on him.

Well Madi, good to know he didn't love you enough to exercise some self control.

Does Victoria know the definition of a "private" relationship? It usually doesn't involve a camera and sound and lighting crew.