WearyTraveler

Maybe she goes to the Umbers.

No, he has not opened the present yet. I thought it was implied he's waiting to find her to open it.

No, he's saying he made a public appeal in the video preceding this one asking for all the information and he got this email. He doesn't say who sent it. And he never claims WOTW or L7R sent it.

I saw it. I think it said Sioux Falls, but I'm not sure.

And the guy is not claiming these are absolutely true. Only that this is an email he received from a source he believes to be good after he requested that the spoiler sites divulge all the spoilers they had, and not just a portion, as they said themselves they were doing. I usually don't post spoilers because other people beat me to the ones from trusted sources and the other ones are so obviously from trolls that it's not worth it. But I did check this guy out and saw some of his other videos on youtube to gauge his need to be a protagonist and he didn't strike me that way at all. He posts on varied things, and has gotten enough of a following in Spain that he was invited to appear on a show that is the equivalent of something like Jimmy Kimmel in the US. Regarding As for Regarding The mention of seemed iffy to me too. But maybe they cast them and we never found out. It's possible if their scenes are only shot indoors. There are many people cast of whom we don't hear anything until they show up. Particularly if they are lesser known actors. I think the So, all in all, like I said before, it sounds plausible. But it should all be taken with a grain of salt, although I think probably a smaller grain of salt than the stuff posted anonymously on 4Chan (regular salt versus sea salt? /end bad joke).

Ok, I'll put it in both since we have been discussing some of that information here (I guess it belongs to both, spoilers and S6 info). I'll include the general story area and spoiler tag the info. 1. King’s Landing: 2. Arya: 3. Sam: 4. The Greyjoys: 5. Bran Stark: 6. Daenerys: 7. Mereen: 8. The Riverlands: 9. The Battle of Winterfell: 10. The Wall: 11. There’s a final battle waged at sea.

I know right? So, once again I ask, do you guys want me to post the summary in English? I think the information about all the upcoming deaths is quite interesting.

Soooo, while I was looking at a post in L7R, I read that they and WOTW have agreed not to reveal all the information they get. Apparently, they think some spoilers are just too big to reveal. Then I read the comments and saw that some people asked the guy to share because they didn't mind being spoiled to the core. Other users directed these people to the youtube channel of user Frikidoctor. Off I went to youtube. Frikidoctor has had a channel since 2014 and he posts about all things Friki. In Spain Friki is the term used for people who are fans of fantasy and sci-fi (Star Wars, LOTR, GOT, videogames, consoles, technology, superheroes, etc.); I think "geek" is the closest English word for it. He posts about a lot of subjects and already has reached 5.000 followers, so, he's not an anonymous user suddenly trying to get attention. Some of his past posts are about: movie props (Freddy Krueger's glove, Frodo's sword), stumping Siri with a math question, cool apps, switching on a lightsaber, silicon implants, how to download a video from youtube, The Walking Dead and The Big Bang Theory. He was even invited to a very popular Spanish variety show called "El Hormiguero". Having verified the user, I watched the video mentioned in L7R comments. It was posted 2 weeks ago and it's 28 minutes, all in Spanish. He begins by saying that in his last video he had asked the people in the know (WOTW and L7R) to share their knowledge with him and that he received an email in response to that request. He says he can't reveal his specific source, but he believes this is the information shared by those websites. He then proceeds to warn people about major, major spoilers coming and then he reveals the information he got in the email. I wrote it down in bullet points in English. Some info is similar to the supposed season summary leaked in 4Chan, some info is already known as it was spoiled on WOTW/L7R/etc. other information is different/new. During the video he notes what kind of info it is (new, confirmed past spoiler, same as 4Chan, different to 4Chan). To me, it sounded reasonable and plausible. And the guy is apparently trusted. In his past entries he's very careful to say what is a confirmed spoiler, what is of doubtful origin and what is his own speculation. For those that speak Spanish, here's the youtube video: For those that speak English, do you want me to post the summary here?

Spanish speaker here (it's my mother tongue). The paragraph about Ghost is the following: Translated to English: To me, it reads as if the only real fact they have is that the FX team is doing a lot more with Ghost this year. The part about Ghost being involved in the resurrection is speculation. The point before this one is about Carice doing very little filming, all of it in Belfast, all of it in closed, interior sets, and all of it very secretive. Then they say they'll give us more details, but the two details don't seem to come from the same source. If Carice's scenes are that secretive and filmed behind closed doors, how do they know Ghost is in them? Plus they make a point to mention that their source for the Ghost spoiler is that the FX team has been using the CGI stick, but they don't mention the source for the Carice spoiler. SO, this looks like two different spoilers that they are connecting, which might not necessarily be connected. It's worth mentioning that these guys are bookwalkers, and that knowledge gets into their posts frequently. They might just be from the camp that believes that Jon wargs into Ghost and are jumping to conclusions. Further down the article they say Jon will be resurrected in episode 5 or 6 because those are the episodes directed by Jack Bender and he was the one directing the TOJ scenes. That's a premature conclusion, IMO. I don't think Jon's origin and his resurrection need to happen in the same episode. He can be resurrected in episode 1, Melisandre can tell him that he's special, we can see him wondering what makes him so special, we can see other characters trying to understand and then we can have the big explanation midseason. Or it could happen as L7R thinks, or it could happen differently. I just don't think we have enough information on that yet.

I think more than a few people would disagree with the statement that "there is no such thing as bad publicity". Weiner, the mayor of Toronto, all the celebrities that have to issue extended apologies and jump through hoops to rebuild their image after a scandal, etc. But, I'll just agree to disagree and move on.

What cliffhanger? What suspense? You say that bookwalkers are a marginal part of the audience, and I agree with that. But the only people for whom this ending would be a cliffhanger would be the bookwalkers that were not sure if Jon would be resurrected, and they are even a smaller part of the audience, given that they are a subset of the smallest group of fans. A cliffhanger by definition leaves some room for doubt as to the outcome. A cliffhanger would have been if we see Jon stabbed but still alive. That way the suspense would be "Did Jon die?" "Will someone come to save him?". It's not suspenseful, or a cliffhanger to categorically affirm that he is dead, dead, not coming back, done with story. Let's look at it from an unsullied perspective: In S1 Ned looked like the hero, the good guy, the one you are meant to root for... WOOSH! off with his head. Then it was Robb.... BAM! Red Wedding Oberyn looked like the guy who would give the Lannisters a taste of their own medicine... CRACK! Brains on sand. Jeor Mormont... murdered by his own men Jorah... gets greyscale Doran and the Sandsnakes.... total fail, not well received by the audience, almost no one is rooting for them, plus the unsullied still don't know their purpose yet Tyrion... shipped half a world away in a city at war, not likely he will be coming back to Westeros to deal with White Walkers any time soon Danny... even further away than Tyrion, it's been 5 seasons and she's still not headed to Westeros and has just now taken her first flight on a dragon Varys...iffy at best, no one knows his real agenda Stannis... sacrificed his own daughter to the fire God and still lost against the Boltons Davos... lost his King, went back to the NW who is now under the command of the traitors who murdered Jon Snow Melissandre... pushed Stannis into perhaps the most heinous crime of the series and although her magic has worked in the past, it failed big time now Jamie... lost his hand, his son, and his daughter Sansa... manipulated by LF, raped and abused by Ramsay, some think she jumped to her death Theon... betrayed the Starks, murdered innocents, got the most horrible punishment and is now a broken, crippled man, perhaps on a road to redemption, perhaps dead with Sansa Cersei... mean, evil, manipulative character, got a horrible punishment, but still has a sinister supporter in Qyburn and his "warrior" Brienne... missed Sansa's signal, will she find her again? will she be too late and see her dead outside Winterfell? Can she alone defeat the Boltons? Meanwhile, bad guys like Littlefinger, Roose, Ramsay and Frey are still walking around enjoying the spoils of their evil actions. Who is there to root for if Jon Snow is dead, dead? Why would the Unsullied believe Jon's death is any different than Ned's or Robb's when this story so far has killed and beaten down all the good guys? Because Thoros of Myr resurrected Dondarion two seasons ago? Few people remember that or even make the connection between Melissandre and Thoros. Because Melissandre is a powerful witch? She just failed miserably with Stannis. Plus everyone from HBO, and the show, insisted Jon was dead, dead. So, what's the cliffhanger here for the Unsullied who have not had the benefit of knowing all we do about Rhaegar and Lyanna and the prophecies talked about in the books? Where is the suspense? What is there to get excited about with Jon's death? With all due respect, there's no comparison. "Who shot JR?" was a true cliffhanger, "Jon Snow is dead, dead, never, ever coming back" is an affirmation that was intended to leave no room for doubt. It looks like the intent was to later surprise the viewers big time with the resurrection, but that seems to have backfired because many people found out about it beforehand. And those who didn't expressed their anger and disappointment in such a way that now the first official poster for the season has Jon Snow in it. So, if the intention was to have a shocking surprise in episode 1, 2 or 3 when Jon is officially resurrected, then, that was a big, big fail. Their marketing failed at having the unsullied hordes excited about the new season. Their marketing succeeded in having the Unsullied hordes very angry at losing, once again, the one character for whom they were were rooting. Ergo, Jon Snow poster.

Yes, she was basically responsible for Mike killing Otto, the head of the family. No bigger sin than that in mob life, I think.

I think trending briefly is not a big PR win. There's no way of confirming this for sure, but I believe a better strategy would have been to end the season with Jon's resurrection instead of with his death. IMO that would have generated a lot more buzz because it would have affected more people. For example, bookwalkers, who have for the past four years been 99.9% convinced that Jon lives. For me, it was a missed opportunity at a really big PR blowout. So, when I say I don't understand their logic, I mean I don't understand it in relation to the other option they had, which was to end with Jon triumphantly being brought back from the dead. As it stands now, Jon's resurrection, arguably the most important event of the series, loses part of its punch.

True, but given the history of this show's filming process and how easy it is for stuff to get leaked, why would they think they could keep up the charade? The minute KH came within a 5 mile radius of a GOT filming location, his picture was plastered all over the internet and then all over the big entertainment news outlets, and that was months ago. All the hype they generated with Jon's "death" was incredibly short-lived. Maybe they were hoping that "leaks" about Jon's return would generate even more buzz, but if that was their strategy, it backfired majorly as it seems most people are respectful of spoiler phobics and don't actually spread that kind of information around. I don't know, I think the whole thing was a huge fail. Off course I don't think Jon's dead. But I'm a bookwalker, and I understand that my knowledge of the written story being more complete than someone's who is only a show watcher colors my perceptions and my theories. As was stated above, many unsullied watchers actually believed Jon was dead. Some even believed Sansa jumped to her death, even though jumping off a castle wall into a mound of snow is more likely to leave you alive than a dozen of your "brothers" stabbing you repeatedly. I have a friend who is an unsullied, and at her request, I filled her in on some of the backstory that was not on the show before S5 ended. After the finale she came to me all confused: "They killed Jon Snow! The showrunners said he was dead, dead. KH said he wasn't coming back! What does that mean?". So, yes, they fooled some people for a while, but that was, as I stated, very short lived since just a few weeks into filming S6 there were sightings of KH around the set. The whole thing makes no sense from a PR perspective.

I really don't understand their rationale for ending the season with Jon's "death". I have friends and family who have not read the books and have spoiler phobia. When I talk to them about the show, I feel like I'm walking on a mine field and have to bite my tongue quite often. I would love to post this on my social media and show my excitement, but I'm afraid they'll accuse me of spoiling them, so you guys are the only people with whom I can share my joy. I imagine many other people are in the same situation, but isn't the objective of a promo poster to generate buzz, particularly through social media? There was just no logic here from HBO / the show.

I'm getting all tingly!

Thanks, weaver!

I'm sorry, my recording cut off after Quinn got hit on the head. What happened after that? How does Carrie know that Allison is involved?

I liked it! I like how crazy this show is. I never know what's going to happen next and the surprises are well done, they don't feel like the writers are doing surprises just to get that gotcha moment, they feel earned. Also, being shallow for a second, JT is a fine looking man.

It is an anthology. Watching season 1 is not required to understand anything happening in season 2. That said, there are some characters in Season 1 that are present in season 2, so, for those of us that saw Season 1, it's a nice little connection. Also, since the inspiration for this series was the movie Fargo, there are some thematic aspects that are common to all three (the movie, S1 and S2). Notably, off course, the town of Fargo, the speech patterns, the kind of people, etc. Finally, the movie and the series have that Coen brothers vibe and elements that they do in all their projects. So, you might read analyses comparing and contrasting elements of all these things. Season one's protagonist is Molly, Lou's daughter, all grown up and a cop herself. Lester and Malvo were characters in season 1 who had some traits that are present in other characters in Coen projects, so, you see them mentioned. The parallels between Season 1 and the movie Fargo are more apparent than in season 2; For example, Molly being very similar to Marge Gunderson and Lester being very similar to Jerry Lundegaard. So, you may see people wondering "who is the "Jerry" of season 2?" and things like that. Season two's protagonist is Lou, doing his own case. Same character, different actor (because the character is way younger), and a self-contained, different case. But, for those of us who have watched season 1, it's interesting to remember some of the dialog and speculate. For example, we heard Lou say something about staying up all night doing a vigil of his own, and this season, we think we saw that vigil. But that is not knowledge necessary to understand this case or this season. It's just a little connection that is cool for those of us who saw the first season. I think it's kind of brilliant how they can do that: put in some connections for the viewers who watched the first season while at the same time keeping it all self contained so that watching one season is not necessary to enjoy the other season. All of that said, Season 1 was pretty good, maybe you should give it a try.

It looked to me like the box was destroyed by the energy released from the tree after Abbie went in there. If so, does that mean all the monsters are unleashed?

I don't think this is a fair assessment. A lot of people on this show are angry, male and female (see Kevin's reactions to the GR last season, John, this season, Matt for part of his ordeal... It would take too long to name them all). Anger is one of the stages of grief, and the departure has definitely caused a lot of grief. It's only natural that some of the characters are still angry.

When Virgil emptied the syringe I was like "Noooooooo!!!!". This show....!

Can't he give his speech in the middle of a banquet? 3:-)

Dare I dream of Frey pie?