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What really got me was that Emily and Richard were so naive about Rory and Logan having sex. I mean, really what did they think the two of them were going to be doing? Not to mention, as much as the truth about Dean wasn't revealed it was also not like she didn't have a long relationship with both Dean and even several months with Jess for that matter. Emily basically had a heart attack when it was revealed back in the first season that Rory stayed with Dean all night after the dance. It really was just showing that Emily and Richard had this bubble they wanted to live it and wanted to control and with the revelation that Rory was having sex who was close to 21 at the time was like someone had set a bomb off in their house. Speaking of UO and characters having sex. I will never to this day ever understand Paris and her relationship with her professor. Ok, it was Michael York, he aged well is a great actor, ect. However, you are really trying to tell me that Paris went from having a good relationship with her ex to just jumping into her professor and then going: "I have a real man." I was like: "Just stop, oh please!" What really got me with the entire story line was Paris knew the esteem doctor had a history of relationship with younger students. Even worse the entire Yale staff was just swoon at him with his speeches like he was Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Arc. Yale had a history of professors being found out with relationship with students and many lost tenure or their jobs. Then of all things, he left his estate of Paris to then sort through his family? I will never understand the need or want for the story line. When she ended up with Dole, that made plenty of sense. Speaking of which, I hated they dropped all of Rory and Paris's roommates after freshman year. It wasn't like the actresses were doing other shows. I really loved the dynamic they brought to the show and to Rory and Paris's college life. Then we get the BFFs in the final season, who were really, really bad.

Something that hit me during Raincoats and Recipes. Fred Applegate's character has his screw driver in his tool belt and when it cuts back from Lorelai, its gone with his hands on the door and then on the next pull back its magically in his hand and some how door pins ended up in the door hinges when they were shown twice not to be there. That was some time lapse.

Jess is lucky the swan didn't take his eye completely out. I knew someone who had a swan hit them square in the elbow and dislocated it. As funny as the story was, people were happy the swan didn't do more damage to my friend. I agree, for Jess, it would be embarrassing and even Luke found it funny but we all knew this was laying the ground work to write Jess out of the show. That's what made it so heavy handed.

There are several times when Richard is sitting at his desk writing and puts his pen down. When it turns back to him, he is still writing and talking and puts the pen down again. Never do you see him pick it back up when his back is shown when Lorelai or Emily is talking to him. Also, when Mrs. Kim confronts Lane on her secret stash, the pillows on the bed change position three times.

Oh I know, I can see the entire scenario of Dean proposing to Lindsay to prove he loved her more than Rory. However, how her mom acted not to mention even Lorelai's reaction to reading the engagement in the paper. There wasn't one person who did just go: "You just graduated high school and are 18 and have been together what? 4 months." "Maybe you should wait." Not that I didn't have a few friends of mine get married at 19 and 20 but they had been together for a few years. Wanted to finish up school and get a regular job before having kids. Everything with Lindsay and Dean's marriage was just the producers trying to give a send off to Jared not to mention the actress who played Lindsey apparently was cast in a TV pilot too. Of course instead of just saying they were off to college or something. This entire marriage idea came into mind and don't get me into how Luke just ignored Dean's drunken confession. Sure it came up later when he revealed to Lorelai that Dean gave up before the wedding even happened and when Lorelai asked to clarify, Luke did his "no answer" crap they had saddled him with the last couple of years. What really got me how Dean finally ended things for good with Rory was because Emily and Richard continued to act like he was some gutter trash. They treated him like that when they were first dating. At least with Jess, Emily was right. Jess was so pissed off about screwing up he decided to take everything out on Rory, Luke and Emily. He didn't even try with Emily, so what was she to think outside: "He was rude, didn't make an effort or anything." "How could you let Rory date him?" Emily had a good point because lets face it, if you don't make a good impression on Emily from the getgo, you are on her list.

Oh I agree, it was how the P's viewed the DAR. Like I have said up thread, we have a local chapter in IL and three of the women there told me they get a bad wrap thinking they are better than everyone else. They were grandfathered in by their parents and none of them were high in society at any point in their lives. I also hated how Shira would think Rory was such trashed considering her background that was apparently public knowledge. Something also that irked me about Richard and Emily, they felt if other families were in their high class of society they were great people. Half the people they knew, were very mean and at times morons. Add in Strobe and Christopher's side. Add in the entire Huntzburger family, Digger's parents and so forth. Half the time it was like Emily and Richard were living in their own fantasy world where anyone else would have looked at them and gone: "What drugs are you taking?" Speaking of which, why did Richard in season 6 have a long rapper gold chain on many times?

Oh I completely agree. If anyone knew their exact role in anything with was Michele. He knew how to be the manager, what it would include and how to work around if anything came up in his personal life. Speaking of UO, the only problem I ever saw with Michele was the fact he told Luke back in Season 7: "Oh, its you." "I thought we were done with you." That was so not Michele, if anything, he saw Lorelai as a friend and was never really keen on the drama around her and Christopher or even Richard and Emily. He liked to just worry about his job and his life but was a person to talk to. Michele came off in that one scene along the lines of: "Why would you ever say that to anyone?"

Yes, don't forget Sookie's gree mac and cheese and having Jackson drive her in a go cart train because she feared her kitchen would be unsettled by Luke because she was on bed rest. Don't forget Sookie letting that horrible Nanny basically kick Jackson out of the house. When THEY WERE THE PARENTS!

But keep in mind, Amy P thought Jared's Junior Macguyver tv series would take off. Dean was suppose to never be seen again. Just like Jess's TV spin off was suppose to be a sure thing when the WB never told her to even introduce Jess's father and his wacky family and beach shack. Just like when Rick Suncliff is free, she had to cram Christopher down everyone's throats because he was Rory's daddy! Hooray for young hot men that Amy couldn't control herself over.

What I believe destroyed Jackson and Sookie's characters: "Oh yeah, I didn't get snipped after you paid the nurses to drag me to an operating room." "Yeah, my boys are still swimming." "What? You're pregnant again?" "Cool!" Sookie: "Yeah, oh well, guess I shouldn't have thought that telling nurses to drag you to a doctor to get vasectomy didn't make sense. Or the fact that no nurse would do that or any doctor would just think that was possible."

Yeah, and not to mention the rest of Adam's friends are in their teens now or entering puberty. They are only going to be able to throw in so much before the nineteen eighty something has to stay in tune with more mid to late 80s before they are all high school looking age. Even going as far as verging on 89.

Very well said. By the end, Jess really treated everyone terrible from Luke to Rory and he basically wanted to blame everyone but himself when it came down to it. Even when he showed up telling her to just come with him. What was he expecting Rory to do? Just drop out of Yale and travel the country side in his POS car? Never got that. There was so focus of Jess being a "screw up" that his ditching school to work for Walmart and never explaining what was going on his head was so forced. I would have told Jess "no" when he just showed up wanting her to run away with him. Her explanation of the car accident was spot on and too bad that part of Rory never seem to want to return.

That's exactly it. It was established in the series several times that Donna was a nurse and even said most likely when the kids would go to college she would go back to being a nurse for her husband. Considering the times that made plenty of sense. Dean and Lindsey had it in their mind: "Man works, makes great money." "Wife stays at home and raises the kids and keeps the house clean." In a way it was Amy P basically saying: "What worked in the 50s-60s doesn't apply anymore." However, it came off like they were completely morons. Lindsey did nothing but loft on her ass all day and then complained about being bored and having little money. She couldn't have been in school or working at least part time herself? Why did Dean even stay around after the divorce and everything? He could have at least gone back to school. It was just a mess.

I was just on another thread but something that still irks me today was with Dean dropping out of school because Lindsey wanted a townhouse instead of living in a little apartment. I really never got Lindsey's character. She wanted a house, go out with friends and so forth. Yet, didn't know understand why Dean had to work all the time, told him to go from full time to part time and then Dean dropped out of school altogether because he wasn't making enough money to pay their bills. Then add in how Dean still had the Donna Reed Show idea in his head and Lindsey decided to just be a stay at home wife. What was she doing? She was also majorly demanding about things and why I think Dean was a moron and asshat, but the way it came off. Both of them had no idea what being married was suppose to be like. Guess what? You have to pay bills, unless you are running your own business or working for a family member. You need to finish school and get a degree of some sort to have a decent job. You can't just want to go out all the time and then whine that you don't have any money and you are bored at home. It was like neither Dean or Lindsey had basic living skill thoughts, of course I blame their parents. Neither set from what they were shown seem to want to teach their kids how to be self sufficient. Their moms were: "Hey your dad did all the work and I stayed at home and raised you." "Do it that way."

I agree that Milo really gave Jess foundation. He could have turned into a cliche and even when he was being written to fit with the P's TV series that was never greenlit to begin with. Then when they did the full back track with Jess getting his own bookstore and putting his character back together. MV really put the charm that was Jess to begin with back into the character. Sad to say, too bad Dean could never be written this way. You can tell Jared tried but he had a better time bringing his character on Supernatural into his own verses Dean who... was turn into a cheating, bitter, scraping jobs together, college dropout Speaking of unpopular opinion, I hated that Dean had to drop out of college because his "wife" wanted a townhouse, having fun and didn't think for one second: "You know, maybe we should finish school up first."

The problem is, this keeps showing that Ryan just ran away from everything. It also is a pain because he said he wants Kristin to finish up school and talks about education. Yet, he decided to run out, use the money to both Brazil and Europe and now owes 20K. Its not an uncommon thing with money given by a family member to use to pay off more outstanding debt and then just pay for a small wedding and that way you are starting off with less debt over your head. However, we are suppose to believe that Ryan has friends? His parents for all their money, can't leave Canada to visit their only grand child? Yeah, come on. I was happy that both Mike and Vanessa did their anger but at the same time in a more meaningful matter. Instead of: "Screw you, then march out of the room." I'm surprise Ryan is even breathing air thinking it might take away any possible clean air in it. He is such a moron.

Yeah, I think Kirk was just rattling off that he has had so many jobs he has lost track. As for my term about suing, sad to say there was a school where a 4th grader ended up playing a piece of music their parents didn't approve of and sued the school for use of the music. Sad to say, some people will overreact to the slightest thing. I had an artist draw a scene for a book of the spouse of the character in a bikini and their husband wearing regular swim shorts. One person said that depicted sex and another said: "Did she need to wear a bikini?" People will find something wrong if they want to see it even if its suppose to be innocent. Kirk might not have done anything wrong but the school could be viewed that having a man in his mid 30s saying loving things to his wife who is in early elementary might set up a hostile environment. Trust me, I've seen it but I'm not saying it would happen.

That is true. There were a lot of pins for various reasons. Must of been one of Kirk's jobs as a button maker.

Considering Lulu let him be the main part in a school play where all the other actors were under the age of 10. I think Lulu was the right fit for Kirk because she was strange herself. Any other school would have said: "An adult in his mid 30s being the husband to a girl who is barely 10." "Yeah, let's cast him after we are sued by parents and the school board fires all of us." Lulu was also the only one who seem to really care about Kirk. Remember when he drove into Luke's diner, who really went to his side at first. Just her, everyone else was worried about Luke even Taylor. That should have been a wake up call that maybe Kirk was really only loved by one person. Since he had to talk about how his mother was making his life difficult since she wanted him to get a life and move out. Of course, characters that did very strange stuff. How about the nanny that Sookie hired who acted like she was going to steal their baby away because Jackson did baby talk with their own child and... *gasp* wanted to wake up to give Sookie some needed rest since she had the normal 9 to 5 job and he worked for himself. The horror!

I agree, it was like Sean Gunn was basically admitting if Kirk really had all these types of job year to year and filing income tax on them he would probably get a lot of returns in the process and despite he had to pay his mother to live with her. I don't think he was paying out as much as he thought. I remember when Sean Gunn was doing this one independent movie where he played a manager to one of the main characters in the film. He said he was able to play the role as more "in his style" since it was a humorous part but not over the top at all. Sean Gunn is a good actor and I've liked his stuff outside of GG and to tell the truth, I've enjoyed his post GG work more than the last three years on Gilmore Girls because Kirk went from court jester to at times creepy and pathetic.

I've been to the Glenview True Value since I have family in the area. I remember seeing the cashier because she was asking how I was several times. I grew up in a town with a True Value and sadly the out of stock was just too common and I haven't been to a CARR in years. Very good episode but shocked about the several unpaid parking tickets. Where was he parking to get them all? For the first guy, yeah I was happy to read he went straight to HFH because I don't think I would want someone like that as my associate.

Also, Ryan's motivations are just very stupid. He said how much the last two years he doesn't believe in Christmas because he dad was always working and his mom just kind of fumbled. Yet, he doesn't mind eating candy canes, praying with the Duck Dynasty people, working for corporate even if he hates corporate. Then saying when he goes on strike or why he isn't earning a paycheck and health insurance for his family its because "of the greater good". Then Kristin just falls all over it going: "Yeah, he's right, I have no free thought on this." Boyd, you get, he's in first grade and its his parents, what is he going to do? Its just as TwistedandBored said. There is having pride and letting go of it. Why I consider Ryan one of the worst characters on TV. Look how he acts and everyone enables his behavior and even worse when someone calls him on his crap. They side with him later.

Another problem with Kirk is why he was the way he was. I get living with his mother due to nothing really wanting to leave the security he had with her. He even admitted after his dad died they just had each other. However, when she started charging rent and at times kicked him out of the house. It was really along the lines of: "Don't you get it your moron!" "She wants you to move on with your life." Another problem was that everyone let Kirk get away with everything like with Taylor. Both of them did some really questionable things and activities in the town and instead of the town going: "You guys need to see a shrink." They just laughed and went: "Oh, that Kirk of ours." I also remember Sean Gunn saying at one point he at times questioned if Kirk went too far, he did bring up the nightmares and running out naked thinking that was a little too much. Yet, he played it as best he could. Yeah, between the rich stealing and criticizing people they thought were below them. Kirk and Taylor's behaviors were sometimes borderline cult following.

Believe it or not, I ran into some DAR ladies yesterday when I was out Christmas shopping. They were taking donations and were saying how sadly their chapter wasn't doing so well. They actually brought up Gilmore Girls when I was talking to them and they said how much they loved the show but how they had Emily and the DAR so wrong on the show. Her response: "If there was woman like Emily in the position with the DAR. They would have kicked her out. The point of the DAR is supporting the arts, the community and why the DAR started in the first place. She told me that the fundraising they did on the show was spot on and how they needed more and more younger people needed for the group. Sadly, she sees that maybe in 20 years, they might fold up.

At this rate, yes I agree. This is very shark jumping episode. Jeeze, Ryan just get hit by a bus already and Kristin move to Canada with Boyd. You three add nothing to the show anymore.