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I'm on the floor laughing at this FozzyBear. Great comparison because I agree, there was way, way too inconsistence with the characters and a lot of missing backstory. We got Luke and Liz's story, they were townies, their father owned the local hardware store, Luke learned from his dad and Liz was the rebel and Luke was always having to be the big brother. Then both their parents died it seems right after they both finished high school. Luke decided to use his dad's business and turned it into his diner, Liz got married and moved out of town and of course we know the rest. Same with Ms. Patty, local, loved danced, opened her own dance studio. Nothing really else needed but from Taylor to Babett, it was like, these people just magically appeared one day, had these attitudes and back drops and no one questioned it. It was like Mr. Kim, what was that story? Lane was raised by a harpy of a mother, who then turns out hid her life style from her own mother who could magically fly to the US. When the Kims seem to have left Korea long before Lane was even thought of to "have a better life." Yet, Grandma Kim comes in a limo, we find out she is pretty wealthy and so forth and we find out she seems to be a pretty nice woman but she's a traditionalist. So, you are trying to tell us Mrs. Kim became a shrewd, converted Christian who told all people who walked into her store: "Buy something or get the hell out!" I grew up in a small town but not in the bubble that was Stars Hollow and there was a woman like Mrs. Kim. You know how long she stayed in business? Less than a year because people didn't want to go shopping there any more. Not because the prices were high or the fact it sold stuff you could find at Kmart or Walmart but because as soon as you walked in, she looked at you like Mrs. Kim going: "You better buy something and if that child of yours even thinks of touching the greetings cards, I'll cut you!" I remember when Lorelai and Sookie were in the store once and Sookie said something along the lines of: "Why is she like this?" and Lorelai says: "She missed her calling as a nun." It was like what Gypsy said about why the do what Taylor wants: "He's our Papa Doc!" Which was basically: "He commands, we obey."

The episode was so out of place. I can't feel bad for Eve even when she came clean about the break up because we NEVER saw Eric the boyfriend. He was mentioned and talked about, even Eve meeting his parents was talked about but we NEVER SAW THIS. This was constantly told but never shown. They never had problems casting actors to be Eve's boyfriends or love interests. Eric was really just a plot device but how can you feel sorry for Eve when you never saw the interaction? It was like everything between Kristin and Mandy arguing about Kyle in this episode. It was so out of place, yes we get it, Mandy does love Kyle but the entire rewriting of history doesn't work anymore. The talk about how Kyle read the same stories to Boyd because he enjoyed them but at the same time they changed things saying Boyd was almost 4 when the series started Boyd was 2. I also agree, Amanda Fuller is not good at comedy at all. Despite the trainwreck they have made Vanessa, Nancy Travis is funny but they were going too much with Jill 2.0 here. Remember on HI when Jill wanted the boys or Tim to talk about their feelings and went as far as getting Randy's girlfriend's dad, Bert to talk about how much his wife was annoying and it backfired? That was this with Vanessa and Eve. As much as I laughed at the ex-boyfriend stories because they were funny. I enjoyed the 120 inch TV story much, much, much more. It was funny from beginning to end but when Ed talk about his girlfriend who is now pregnant. It seems the writers are trying to find an "out" for the story they just created. It feels like a total let down. I do like that Chuck has become more of a character instead of the angry blackman next door. Would this stupid wedding just get over please? Maybe we can ship off Kristin and Ryan and Boyd forever after it.

I'm in agreement with both. I do believe Lorelai had friends even in her high society life but I agree I think once Rory happened and she saw how much she didn't want to continue with people telling her how to live her life she decided to bolt and keep Rory for herself. She did however as said and shown several times, even on her terms left the door open for Christopher but sadly he never took it until he "had it together" 16 years later. It was his words of saying: "I guess this means we need to get married now." is what made Lorelai finally decide: "I don't want this life, this way." Hence why she left. However, the fostering of having Rory be dependant on her was the her made focus and as seen when her and Rory were having their problems in season 6 she did nothing because she didn't know what to do. Sure a break up with a boyfriend, a broken arm here but at what point did Lorelai really have Rory hate her for not understanding what she wanted? Even with Dean, she was like: "It makes Rory happy." She didn't want to tell her she was not Ok with it but if that's what she wanted then watch how it turns out. Even with Mitchum, Shira and the Hutzburger clan. She should have told her that there are going to be people like that in life. She should have said she should have told her that a long time ago instead of: "You're perfect and always will be." Her grandparents thought the same and as I've said before and as many others have, its very sad that Richard or Emily couldn't think of once second someone would do think less of Rory and think Lorelai was drunk or something. I mean, Richard saw the high school dean tell Rory and crew their work wasn't good enough. Emily still had people think that Lorelai getting pregnant ruined her life and yet the two acted like they never heard them or that they were delusional instead of going: "You know how many people told me I couldn't? A lot, you have to smile, nod and prove them wrong and not hide."

That's what irked me. He is the freakin chief of surgery and he just found out that the Almighty Baby Doctor has not only been operating under judge impaired situations and conditions but has been hiding it and seeking "miracle" treatments to either fix it or at least keep her alive. She has been shown to come in woozy and out of it due to chemo and other treatments and could have put patients in danger or killed them. Her 1, 2, 3 rules were complete crap. Owen's next line should have been: "Or 4, you do this surgery now because if you end up having one of your episodes and kill or endanger a patient we are all screwed." "Or 5, I kick you out of the hospital now, reveal your condition to the staff and you can go die alone." They are all acting like Geena Davis's character has a gun to their heads or blackmail pictures. The storyline is going to come bite them all back big time and you know it. Because let's face it, they are setting Owen up to lose his position as chief and sad to say, he deserves it.

And that is a really good point. Many shows during that time it felt like it was the show creators trying to stick it to the man in their own way. In a way I felt that was what it was with Kirk, Taylor and Jackson at times. These were male characters who did whatever they wanted or constantly had their behavior enabled by their peers. Taylor and Kirk especially it was like: "See, they do stupid crap all the time and everyone let's them." "Just like any man, they do what they want." Why I felt that Luke was so different was because he did all these incredibly nice things to everyone. His uncle's funeral, taking Jess in, trying to spare Rory's feelings. Giving Lorelai money, helping Kirk find the rotten Easter Eggs. Yet, constantly, constantly it was always: "No good deed goes unpunished." with Luke. Then they went and did the entire: "I can't handle having a unknown daughter show up in my life and let's go attack a man's car who slept with my wife I had no interest in being married or let's go punch Christopher." While Chris was warranted because that was building up since Wedding Bell Blues. Luke had more reasons to punch Taylor and Kirk for the stupidity and at times destruction of his stuff and his business. Those were people I would have filed restraining orders with.

Milo came back as a guest star not as a regular. I never said he returned as a regular. He became a reoccurring guest as shown with the episodes. While the Bradford Diaries were filmed only 9 episodes he was free and why he showed up in seasons 5 and 6. As for Jared, yes the pilot was March 2003 and the reason why Dean was written to get engage to marry Lindsey was in case the series was picked up. The final episodes were filmed around the same time March-April. It was documented that Dean and Lindsey's wedding was suppose to be the exit for Dean until the series was not picked up. It was rumored to start in the Spring as a midseason show for the WB but that never happened and they wrote Dean back into the show and was made a regular and then of course Logan came in. Dean would have possibly been in more but then Supernatural was filmed and picked up by the network. Hence why there was that scene between Dean and Luke. There might have been more later on but Jared was involved with Supernatural at that time but it is unknown.

Right but like I said it didn't really effect Jared since CMM won the part. It was his failed MacGuyver series that was the original reason why they married him off to Lindsey in season 4. That was suppose to be his exit but then the show never happened and of course they wrote Dean back into the series. When the Gilmore spin off series never happened, Milo was written back in as well but since ASP was the creator of both shows. It wasn't that hard to bring Jess back in, even though going back for his car seemed to be a very lame reason to come back. Not to mention, Luke kind of let Liz know that the car was in bad shape when he put it in the shed to begin with. When Dave Sutcliff's series ended after the first year. ASP said she decided to snatch him back up as soon as possible to bring Christopher to "throw a wrench" in Luke and Lorelai's relationship. Her own words. Many series have brought back actors who use to be part of their series because the actor's endevors didn't pan out. Case in point with Zachary Quitno with the upcoming Heroes relaunch. However, Quitno said he felt his character had moved on and he had moved on. I have no problem with fan favorites return to series they started in. But with Dean, I could have done without that horrible scene between Luke and him about how Lorelai will go live the rich society life. In that case, it was bringing back just because they could and the actor is: "Cool, I can buy dinner with this paycheck."

Very true and Milo had finished with Bedford before the filming and I agree but at times you could tell many times when they were just thrown in because they were around. For the record, Jared had also tested for the Lone Ranger but CMM won out in the end. Also, Jared had said that most likely if Supernatural wouldn't have been picked up and also been a success, he said Dean probably would have strolled back to Stars Hollow most likely. It was his opinion but at that point in time, Jared knew he was ok for an extra paycheck just in case.

Seeing the episode again, I don't consider is Shark Jumping due to see what they did with the neighbors and so forth but I find the entire situation of story lines just really off on so many levels. Now with Jay and his old rival, all that I could see and I really wanted to hear why he set him out to dry. Especially when he said: "I was under a lot of pressure and I just had to..." I really want to see the explanation before Manny came down the stairs. That's Manny, never looking first, just busting in thinking the world revolves around him. I just hate everything about the neighbors storyline even though I do like them more now. Haley being more stupid than usual, Luke being that oblivious and Alex just being there. It was just horrible. Claire was so badly needy and the only person in character was Phil. Seems like the rest of the Dumphy Family were replaced by caricatures of their former selves because the next episode, they were all back in charatcer. It was just badly written.

Exactly, seeing it now, I really wish someone would have told Straub off because really, he was out of line so many times and instead of taking up like Emily and Richard to get to know their granddaughter they constantly saw her as someone who should have never existed. Even worse, when Christopher and Sherry happened, never once was Georgia mentioned about them. They seem to be two people who could have cared less about their grand children in any shape or form. However, when you look at it, Lorelai enabled Christopher's behavior just like everyone else and vice versa. If they didn't write it that Sherry was the horrible parent who ran out on her daughter to make Chris look better. Chris would have never been mentioned again most likely or if Dave Sucliff's series: "I'm with Her" would have lasted more than one season. Keep in mind, the reason why Dean and Jess just magically appeared again was because their shows either never made it out of pilot episode or were cancelled right afterwards. Jared's Lone Ranger series never went past the pilot movie. His MacGuyver Jr. series never made it past shooting. The Gilmore Girls spin off series never got off the ground and the Bedford Diaries was cancelled after 9 episodes. ASP loved it when she could get her actors back for a TV and while they said it was good to earn a paycheck. Reflecting now, they all admit their stories were so cobbled together because they were around. Same happened with Marty, the actor was on Broadway and then he was free for 2 months and magically, Marty appeared in after not being heard of or talked about forever. Every time ASP had someone free, she fell on old habits like with Lorelai and Christopher's behavior and so forth. I agree, that the only fall out was Dean as he became a bitter, divorced college dropout by the end but his last appearance with Luke was so out of place it made no sense.

I agree on all of this and what was said earlier. My biggest problem was that Lore and Chris were very dangerous together. It wasn't just inconsistent writing it was to make it look like that Strobe was right that Lorelai was the reason for all of Christopher's problems and why everyone supported him despite the stupid things. However, even with everything it was like Chris just needed Lorelai's excuses to not show up or miss a call, not show up and so forth. It just drives me insane because it shows that Lorelai and Christopher failed as a couple because they enabled each other's behaviors and then infected others to take their side. Hence everyone's solution was that they finally get married and be one big happy family. However, they didn't know how to be in a relationship outside of Rory of enabling each other's behavior because then they didn't have anything left.

The problem was that this was Lily's thought process and Cam couldn't just tell her to stop this because it was hurting him and this isn't what you do as a clown. Its suppose to be pretend hurting not real hurting but Cam just kept letting her do it because he was like: "She's found her nitch."

That's exactly it but what really drives me nuts is that Cam dwells so much on these small things about how being a clown and that made his life so great during dark days. However, he is now a teacher again, had a perfect season, won a championship and so forth. Yet, he still acts like being a clown was the second coming at times. It also drives me crazy that Cam has no idea how Mitchell's job works, especially when he told Mitch he needed to get a new job because he hated his old one. These two don't come off as a happy couple, they come off as two bitter, oblivious people who either don't care or find the small things to hate about their other half. That's not funny, that's extremely sad. Lily's motivation for hurting Cam because she was hoping he finally get the picture and tell her: "I don't want you to be a clown!" "Please stop, I think my shoulder is dislocated." Yet he just went: "That's ok honey, you're great, now excuse me I need to stick up my exposed fracture here."

Fallouts never really happened with most of anyone in the GG world. In fact, the only character I really felt ever had fallout from any actions was Lane. I mean, her mom kicks her out of the house due to find all the music and stuff she hates. As a result, she doesn't go to college or even community college. Moves in with her bandmates, gets in a relationship with one of them. Gets married, has a bad honeymoon, yet gets knocked up with twins and then the two of them go: "Well, we're parents now, guess we need to really start figuring things out." It was very heavy handed but really, it goes back to many times with Taylor and Kirk, majority of the time the stuff they did should have gotten out of good graces with anyone. I still don't forgive the writers or anything for the entire stupid Stop Light camera. First of all, town workers would not install that kind of device. Second it would have been tested for flashes long before Kirk even drove through the light and was blinded. Third it was stated by several people even at the town meeting of why they really needed it. Then when Luke yelled at Taylor and told him how much he was an idiot and he did everything just because he could and forget anyone who didn't agree with him. In fact, half the time the town agreed with Taylor was just to shut him up about things and they admitted it. Yet, over the course of the series outside Jackson unseating him for a whopping 2 episodes. They kept letting him do this stupid stuff. In my own Fan Fic where I had it where Taylor couldn't get anyone to agree with him on creating a new lighting system for his Soda shop and Kirk ends up being a good little Yes Man and agrees to set up the lighting system for the Ice Cream and Soda Shop with no one knowing and he ends up burning the entire place down to the ground and Taylor discovers his insurance forms were misfiled and he loses everything. He tries to get a fundraiser in order but no one comes to the meeting because they think it was Taylor not Kirk who decided to do the stupid lighting system when no one agreed with it and the mayor kicks Taylor out of office as Select Man. Taylor then goes to Luke and admits he has no life because he has nothing else better to do and he enjoyed getting his own way on everything and now he's nobody. Fallout was never in ASP mind because she was more about: "Tell don't show" or "Forget it like it never happened."

Half the time I think Lorelai thought there was always a catch to Richard and Emily's behavior on things like this. I just chalk it up to they never believed anyone outside of a "good gene" family was right for any of their family. Let's face it, the entire "happy little family" with Lorelai, Christopher and Rory went out the door at the end of season two when Christopher knocked up his ex-girlfriend. It then became about: "These men are not good enough for our girls." Of course Jason, who was from everything that Emily wanted was cast out because how dare he secretly date Richard's daughter and be his business partner. Of course Jason said it the worse: "It'll make your parents mad." Lorelai: *giggles*. Yet, until Floyd exposed his grand investigation it made them mad for other reasons. Times Lorelai was still acting like her stupid 16 year old self and doing things to piss off her parents because she could.

I agree, no matter what most of Tyson's helpers end up dead and the rest are like way to "cult following". "I use to be a doctor but you made me realize, I love killing more. HEHE!" Or: "Yeah, I use to have a good job and stuff but hey throw me money and give me plastic surgery to look like a police detective/worker and I won't at any time question this?" "Opps... I'm dead."

Completely agree, it was beyond mean or professional. It was like: "So, you hated I wanted my son to have your job and you hated me so much son that I will ruin you both." The next day: "Thanks for crawling back Richard. Now my son is out, how dare he think he could do his own business without me." Richard: "I agree Floyd." The last scene at the golf course was well acted and very cold but this episode felt so out of place. Yet it was ASP's classic view of: "Rich people suck."

Something that also needs to be taken care of is that these are two very evil and planning people. I don't want them to then magically get away with people going: "They were here a second ago." No, these two should be on constant guard, guns drawn and ready to fire if they even so much as look like they are planning something. They have evidence to hold them and to be truthful this would be a great reason to get the DA to allow Castle back on the force. Proving that like anyone else, when someone wants to get you, they will go through any barriers to get to you. Doesn't matter if you are in the building or working cases or not. Let's face it, if this happened with any professional police officer or related consultant in the Justice System. There would be no one Serving and Protecting. Instead of going: "He knows known gangsters, he is a liability." 3XK and his followers are getting look alikes, brainwashing people to just walk into police stations, grab and destroy evidence like they were running to Staples. What does that say about your security and how you are running a station?

That I will agree on, despite everything, TJ was right for Liz because he basically cut her off from drinking and getting high. Yes, Luke's influence on Jess was what he needed. The problem was the way it was portrayed for two seasons on why Jess and Liz had this horrible relationship and magically off screen, she is telling him his uncle has his car locked up in his shed and he swoops in with this magical money he has. Pays Gypsy to fix his POS and drives off again. I get Jess was working with his dad and it "didn't work out" according to Liz but still. Jess went from a high school drop out to coming into Stars Hollow secretively until his car died about 10 feet from the shed. Apparently if he had no problem getting to Stars Hollow, how was he affording the repairs and gas for his car which seemed to be a lost cause and was never seen or heard from again?

Just reading up on things but I think what really gets me is not only how 7th Heaven was renewed under very stupid reasons but why the creators of the show thought this was such a great idea to take the show next. There seem to be this obsession with bringing Sarah Lancaster back time and time again as Madison when everyone hated the story lines. She was fine on Chuck but her character was constantly changing direction from being a child education major wanting to be a teacher. To all of a sudden wanting to get out of Everwood by having a band. To where she slept with her boss's son when she was constantly in a relationship with one of the band members. To how she went from having a nice home life to her roommate telling Andy that her father walked out of her as a little girl and her mom was this religious nut that was on her all the time. Then magically she had a brother in New York and then tells Ephram about their son the day of his audition for Juliard. Her character was just so all over the place it. She was written to fit the story and not the character, which in a way is I think the Everwood team trying to convey to the "hot topic" ideas the WB wanted at the time. How times have changed.

Or how networks a few years ago wanted shows that 12-24 year olds would watch and buy stuff. Now, they want to have specific shows for different age ranges. Funny how life turns out.

That was the problem, Lorelai was like: "Ok mom and dad you get your do over with Rory being what you wanted out of me. Have fun." Then she moves off tells Luke she wants to wait. Nothing happens between them, all of a sudden there is a moment where Lorelai tells Richard that the Hutzbergers ripped her a new one at the dinner and then Mitchum told her she wasn't perfect and he was like: "Oh... come on that never happened." Then he finds out it was true and all of a sudden Richard realizes that Rory is turning into a directionless person when that was apparent from the move in. Then Jess tells Rory she is being a moron and magically their relationship is healed. Yet, Luke has his long lost unknown daughter from his crazy, should have been in an institution ex who believed Luke would have been a horrible father and of course, Lorelai couldn't handle that. The real problem was that Luke kept letting Anna dictate how his relationship with April should have been and Luke took her side and that was what really drove Lorelai over the edge but instead of going to Anna's door step and calling her a selfish bitch. She breaks up and goes sleep with Christopher who has no problem with that. Yeah, and people wonder why they hated the storyline and the characters so much after that? Because it was so horribly written and portrayed and it was just an excuse to: "Have Chris and Lorelai get their relationship finally because everyone but the fans of the show wanted at the time."

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! So, now Eve's invisible boyfriend is all of a sudden out the window and we are suppose to care about it? Mandy and Kristin are fighting about how Kristin broke up with Kyle when it was mutual on both their parts. Kristin didn't see anything with Kyle moving forward, and Kyle felt Kristin was off to better things and didn't see a reason to continue the relationship. Of course, that was 4 years ago and a different actress. Kristin instead, lost braincells, aged 4 years and now is marrying her baby's daddy, who is an even bigger idiot. Now, Mandy is mad at Kristin the way she broke up with him? None of these plots make sense.

The problem watching now years later is that both Lorelai and Emily were very clueless when it came to things. You add in Lorelai not understanding how applying for college or how to handle money works. Emily thinking she could just swoop in do a favor for someone and then expect to get something out of it. Or thinking that you are rich and a DAR member means that the world revolves around you. to be truthful, the entire Gilmore and Danes clan were very awful together and then add in Logan's family and majority of the Stars Hollow people and these were some very horrible people. I really would never want to meet or have very little contact with and only head over to the town for their summer and winter festival events because those were fun and normal small town stuff. However, when you go into Taylor and Kirk's craziness. Richard and Emily's naiveness and view of the world and then add in Lorelai's stupid moves that any logical person would think through. Or the fact that Luke jumped in to save everyone and everyone then turned around and treated him like crap. Plus, add in Christopher with everyone saying it was everyone else's fault his life was off track for so long. These were not 3D characters they had very annoying and self-centered lifestyles.

That was exactly it and in a way it was suppose to show us why Jess was screwed up, not because his dad ran out of them but because Liz was such a flake but then she gets married to TJ has another kid and BAM! Mother of the year and suddenly Jess and her are on great speaking terms again. Whatever.