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Both sentencing memos are here The defense one is just very eye-rolly as noted in this thread. The prosecution one contains descriptions of the CSAM, so proceed at your own risk.

I'm pretty sure the last time she mentioned it, it was Senior Gold. Someone correct me if that's changed. I think you can also go down a level if you haven't maitained your requirements. I swear I remember her going form Gold to Sr. Gold, back to Gold, then back to Sr. (or change those levels to Sr. Silver and regular Gold, you get the point). But I could be mis-remembering.

She better accept it at some point, at least for her kids sake. With the minumum 5 year sentence, he'll be gone at least another 4.5 years after sentencing (it will be nearly 6 months as time served by the time of sentencing), or probably longer. The kids need her to accept it and get used to their new daddy-free routine.

Jill said: Jonathan already got an excellent job here and he has moved in with a sweet, kind and hospitable older couple from our church. He moved here (to Ohio) about 3 weeks ago. Before he moved here, we fixed up his living quarters at our friends' house. * He's staying with church friends. He's not renting an apartment that is intended to be rentable. He moved to Ohio because he had a job there, since that's where he intends to live with Kaylee after their marriage. He can't live with the Rods because god forbid an unmarried couple live togehter. He may be paying a small amount of room and board to cover extra water/electricity, but I'm sure it's minimal. This older couple might enjoy the company and like having a young man around to help out. He's probably saving most of his money to be able to afford a place when he and Kaylee marry. Yes Jill's decorating is atrocious, but I don't think this is supposed to be a long term arrangement. The wedding is apparently in November, so that's a good amount of time to establish himself in Ohio and save up some $$ from his excellent (unnamed) job to get him and Kaylee started.

There's not much on them, but the family does have a page on fundie wiki Jonathan's grandfather is a preacher at a baptist church (his father also works there) and there used to be a "about our family" page on the church website, but that was removed shortly after Jonathan and Kaylee started their courtship. The mom has a facebook page and while there wasn't a ton that was public, you could see her friends and her pictures, she's made it even more locked down since their engagement. I think she got some comments about Jill's craziness and shut that down.

It was the emerald stolen from Flora's necklace. She said she had the man arrested. I believe that was Wendigo Donner in the cell. In episode 5.12 he told Claire he was from the future and was trying to get back but needed a gem.

Yep. Two of them in fact. They went to Tessie and Hannah a few years ago. Unclear if they still have them or have passed them down to Olivia and Sadie.

There is also a separate motion by the defense to have the conviction overturned/a new trial (that was the whole thing about the defense not being "allowed" to call Caleb Williams). The government responded with their points, and the defence countered. I don't think we have had a ruling on that yet, unless I missed it. I wonder if that will be addressed at the sentencing hearing?

I don't think you can make money on Instagram just from how many people click on your account or watch your vides. You can get paid by companies for promting their producs, and maybe more if that content gets a lot of likes, but not just views. Maybe I'm wrong on that? Youtube of course is monetized but how many views you get for sure.

The only way I could see something working with TLC is if they focused on Jill and spoke about her getting therapy and learning to set boundaries with her family, and speaking honestly about how the situation with Josh really affected her, not spewing Duggar family talking points. But I don't know if Jill is capable of (or interested in) that angle. Derick may never agree to be back in league with TCL, although maybe if he had his own contract maybe he would.

Lol, I was calling them Jo-lee (Jolly!) in my head. 😁

TimRod got another traffic citation, on January 3. He rear ended a car that had stopped to let an ambulance pass. He had started to slow down, but was following too close and couldn't stop in time. Sounds like it was minor, no injurues or major damage. That's his 4th issue since August 2020. Speeding ticket, no seat belt citation, accident after he fell asleep, now a fender bender.

My dryer is finally being fixed tomorrow (*cross fingers*). It's no smart dryer so I don't think I can blame the router, but it did stop working the week the trial started, so I'm not so sure the router is totally innocent. 😃

The way she poured all the grease into the pot truly was nauseating. 🤢

A friend of mine who lives in MO went to Silver Dollar City today and I had to resist the urge to ask her if she saw any Duggars. I did scour her pictures for any background sightings though. Thankfully I didn't spot any of them.

No unlocking was needed, anyone could climb right thru/over the fence. (photo in spoiler) I'm also a bit confused on the road. I thought I read the name of the road as the one that the pool house is on, which is not parallel to their road, but perpindicular (say it with me!). I don't see any other roads that run parallel to theirs in that area.

Thank you! This time I remembered Justin and forgot James! 😆

I'm trying to refresh my memory of which siblings showed up at the trial: Jana, Joy, Jill, Justin for sure Jessa - reported but unconfirmed Which other brother was it? Jason or Jed? Jer? I know they got them mixed up so now I'm forgetting which was accurate.

I suppose that's possible (I don't know what units the detention center has), but the original person who asked about it assumed the SO in the @WashingtonCoSO twitter stood for sex offender, and that's not accurate, it stands for Sherrif's Office. I believe he'll be held there until his sentencing and then we'll know where he will be moved to and which unit he'll be assigned to in prison.

However, in this case, the WashingtonCoSO was referring to the Washington County Sherrif's Office. He hasn't been assigned to a specific prison let alone unit yet.

I was watching Emily Baker's live stream for a bit, and she had a copy of the jury instructions. I thought the part about what they were allowed to consider regarding his prior molestatations was interesting. They were allowed to consider it, if they thought those insitances were likely to have happened. And they could consider how those prior behaviors led to what he was currently charged with. But they could not convict if they thought he was giulty of the prior crimes and NOT guilty f the current charges. I bet a few minds were changed/swayed based on the prior molestations. I'm guessing a lot of us here aren't happy/releived just because he was found guilty of the current changes, but that it's also kind of justice that he will also face consequences for what he got away with in the past. I think it's possible (not guaranteed of course) that had his prior crimes been properly dealt with, he may have been able to avoid his current charges. I would give him more capacity to change if he had received proper treatment in his younger/teen years. At least the possibility was there. It is probably too late now. I feel for his kids. And while I have no sympathy for Anna for staying with him, I'm sure this is not easy to deal with. JB & M can fuck right off. I also feel for Jill, Joy, Jessa, and Jinger.

I'm sure Josh will be glad to know he's trending on twitter in the US. 😆😆

Just now from the Sun. Take that for what it's worth * Jury has not reached decision The jury in the Josh Duggar trial has not yet reached a verdict. The Sun reporter said the jurors have indicated they want to come back tomorrow to deliberate further.

I'm on pins and needles waiting on this verdict. The reporter said the jury had the case as of about 12:15 PM local time.

Jill is there today, with Derick.