AmigaJoe

So the reality is that El is still a prisoner at the NINA facility. The other kids are dead, and she and Dr Brenner are alone there?

But we see Brenner and the other kids at the facility dead. Up until then, he was interacting with Eleven in a seemingly re-captured state. The other scientist (Paul Reiser) was back after a (seemingly) long absence. All suggests this is happening now (1986). If the final show-down between Eleven and 001 ended up with El turning him into Vecna and Brenner's death happened in 1979, how is that possible?

I'm really curious about the timeline. It seems like Eleven getting captured, Will's mom going to rescue Hopper, and Vecna going on a killing spree were all happening simultaneously. Yet this last episode seems to suggest Vecna's creation was in the past, before 11 escaped. How can that be? Her memories of all the killing in the facility could not be memories, but future echoes? They really tried to screw with the perception of events here...

As Alicia made her way up the Tower stairs, right after the shot of the picture board, there was clearly someone standing right in front of her. How could such a mistake make it through editing/screening? Did they figure no one would notice?!

-Actually, yes. According to Theory, an object crossing the event horizon should leave highly red-shifted image seemingly frozen just above it, as the trapped light slowly bleeds back into space...

Is La'an Drummer's twin sister?

Ah, there are 2 Nora's, forgot that. I thought she was referring to Nora Darhk. She and Bart Allen appeared in the picture at the end. Oh! And Nora is Barry's mom's name too! 'SAaaVee...NORA!'

Iris said 'We see Bart and Nora all the time' Near the end of the ep. Who is Bart? Nora was partnered-up with Ray Palmer, last I heard...

My thoughts exactly! This guy is supposed to be a doctor! Basic stuff.

3 Thoughts on the episode. 1. 5 LIGHT YEARS is such a huge distance that sending Discovery 'there' has almost no meaning, and black holes at that distance would not interact at all. It'd be like going to a spot between here and Alpha Centauri. 2. They really need to lose the flame throwers for the Bridge FX; it looks silly. From a safety standpoint, that would definitely NOT be allowed. 3. After the is Bridge fireworks, why is there 'debris' scattered all over the floor, as if something exploded? Yet there is no visible damage! It looks dramatic, but makes no physical sense.

Neat...

I distinctly remember Sheryl saying to Leland in a irritated moment something like: 'You think you're the first Demon I've ever met". And being shocked at that, and then never really followed up on it. And what's the thing with the doll she makes sacrifices to? I'm sorry. I guess I'm not following this show closely enough. Or are they being vague on purpose?

It really strikes me how everyone, despite everything they've been through, despite the things that have happened, regardless of which side they're on, still cling to their faith; particularly the peculiar strain of Christianity endemic to Gilead.