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I enjoyed reading that piece; it made me laugh out loud a few times and was indeed very clever. :)

I cannot tell you how happy I am to read others snark on the olive shot; I feel validated, lol! I can't believe she and the producers think that is a good look.

Jason and Misty can bite it--for all the reasons that have been mentioned. If it hadn't been Jordanna it still would not have been Misty. Jordanna didn't steal shit. I like Jordanna's hair--except when she does the middle part/flat top thing. I think her curls are different, and when styled just-so, I think her hair is lovely. The apology between Dawn and Jazmin felt like real emotion; let's see how long it lasts. I can't believe these so-called friends argue and fuss all the time! It's exhausting. Shallow moment: In the opening montage, I crack UP every time Kristen comes up eating that damn olive off the toothpick. Everything about that shot is so wrong that it makes me, LOL.

What would be perfect to me is to get rid of the moms whose stories are not moving forward --Maci, Catelynn (and I love Cate--Tyler is a shit, but I have a soft spot for Cate), Jenelle, and many others, and do one show on the moms who are making a normal life for their kids , doing what normal people do --work, school, etc, and not sitting around all day, where your only job is filming (Katie, Chelsea, etc). Of course, it would never work unless they handled the money differently. I no longer care about Maci and her next baby daddy, or Leah's next dickmatization, but I do care about girls like Katie, Chelsea, Isabella Tovar, and a few others. Those are the stories I want to see. (Maybe throw in some struggle stories too, as long as it's not Jenelle or Amber level of "struggle") **Note: In the meantime, I will still watch. I can't help it, damn it. lol!

I'm not defending Jessica, because i think she has her own issues, but I truly believe Ryan is the real issue. He is frightening. It is impossible to talk to someone who blows his top like that, then only softens when you're crying, when you're apologizing, when you're saying "I'm sorry". She attempted to talk to him, after all that happened...she tried to do the "nice things about you" exercise. He pouted like a baby and said he couldn't think of anything. During their arguments, I have watched him twist words and phrases, physically and verbally intimidate, threaten, almost menace etc. That is not normal, and the only way to recognize it's not normal is to get the hell out of it, otherwise it becomes normal. I don't know if Ryan will hit, but he will yell, put down, eventually he will menace, he will twist, he will poke then whine about the consequences, he will admit no wrong, and he will delight when Jessica puts all the blame on herself and is in tears. I can almost guarantee it wouldn't matter too much if she were able to communicate a little better. Ok, it might matter a little -- it might take Ryan just a little longer to blow up. He is way too quick to anger. His temper has nothing to do with Jessica; she can't change it, and he most likely can't either, not without help. If she stays, she is looking at her future. It won't get better. Ryan's anger is not normal in relation to what Jessica does. It just isn't. I have seen the fallout from guys like Ryan -- his anger may seem harmless , but it isn't. If he is doing that on camera, I fear for what happens when the cameras stop. I hope she leaves him. If they stay together, it will not get better until he gets help for his temper. Either way, Jessica needs to get her own help and learn to constructively voice her opinions. Once she does that, her relationships will improve, and a bonus, she won't let men like Ryan tell her that their anger and every issue they have is all her fault and that if "she would only do this" then he "wouldn't have to act like that". (because when you do "that'' , they keep moving the bar so that they always have an excuse for acting like "this" ...) Once Jessica strengthens herself, she will speak up, she will say what's on her mind, and she will run the hell away from all the Ryans of the world. As annoying as Jessica's communication skills are, she has a much more common and much easier to solve issue. (All this is my opinion, of course)

Going back to Catelynn's comment about adoptive siblings/parents: When I first heard her say it, like a couple of other posters, I thought she meant if and when they do meet, Carly would possibly be closer to Nova than to C&T, as in saying the siblings might be closer than child-parent. That DOES happen a lot in adoptive situations, so when Catelynn used the word "adoptive", I thought she was referring to herself and Tyler, but she misspoke/worded it poorly. I went back a few minutes ago to watch again to confirm why I thought that, and now I don't know...She may have meant exactly what she said. If so, that is just too much, even for C&T! What is she thinking? I truly hope she simply misspoke.

She has an Instagram account, on which she talks about work and school. She seems to be doing really well! I am so glad she and Joey broke up. I truly believe he was abusive, or at least on the way. I recognized it. Here is an article I found re: Katie. It's a year old, but has some good info http://starcasm.net/archives/270238

I can only imagine! How sad that a child knows more about nutrition than Leah. I'm so thankful for my mother who worked two jobs and managed to cook (even if sometimes she cooked in between jobs and wasn't there to eat with us). It would have been easy to shove that kind of crap in our face. I'm not saying it's always Mom's job to cook; just observing that the Teen Mom girls mostly don't have jobs (other than filming), yet cooking--especially nutritious cooking--is something we rarely see on the TM shows.

They grammar is aweful. All the cheeting and lieing in that family , not too mention all the other drama, must bee why the wemon look twice there age. I guess wracking up marriages and granbabs quicker ages they.

When the narrator said something about Luke's inventions failing and listed those as a negative, I sort of pshawed. He had some really great on-the-fly ideas! Ingenuity scores a lot of points in my book. Over time,he most likely could have perfected some of those traps and ideas. Just being able to think fast like that and come up with clever traps and filters etc. would be conducive to survival in a true naked and afraid situation.

Farrah is literally one of the worst people I've ever seen on TV. There is no rhyme or reason to her moods, to what she says, to the way she reacts to both negative and positive feedback. I dislike her to the point where I actually have strong feelings of anger and disgust for a person I've never met. (So goes being in the orbit of Farrah, even if it's virtual orbit , lol.) I wonder if there is something really wrong with her; at least that would make sense. As it is now, she just comes across as truly the most self-unaware person I've ever seen, tv or otherwise.

Blaire's Facebook page is quite the eye-opener, mainly because her sister--the baby's mother--is on there. I got to read her (Ja'Baby's mother) page, and all I can say is "wow!". It amazes me the things that people actually publish to the public on social media. Good grief! I weep for the English language. I weep for Ja'Baby. I believe very little of what I see on this show in general, and I believe even less of what I saw on last night's episode. At least Nev didn't make excuses for Markie; he seemed to get how truly effed up she was, and that nothing good would come of a relationship with that one.

Thank you! I'm from Georgia and I cringe anytime anyone uses the phrases "In the South we..." or "xxx is a Southern tradition...", because I know they're going to make us seem stupid. Megan is a very specific type of Southern girl.

Dawn is one of those people who will never apologize or in any way admit their own fault, will always bring up something someone else did-- no matter how far-fetched-- just to deflect attention. In other words, she's a bitch. Also, when she's blaming and criticizing the others for being in entertainment and making money off being little people, did she forget that she is on my tv doing the same thing?

Exactly! (And I feel the same way toward each, and it bothers me, too! ) As far as I know they still haven't married.

Tyler is very passive-aggressive about Catelynn's weight, and it is not normal for a guy to be that focused on his SO's weight history. I bet that some of the unspecified/vague changes that were supposed to occur before they could get married involved Catelynn's weight. Here's the thing, IMO: It's fine to be concerned about your partner's weight as it relates to their health, but I just don't think that's what it is with Tyler. I think it's about size and image. Here's why I say that-- Catelynn gains weight easier than Tyler. Tyler can most likely eat the same crap as Cate and not gain weight. I'm sure they have the exact same shitty diet. No, her weight isn't on him, but if he's truly concerned about health and not size, he'd be encouraging her and most likely he'd be eating healthy too. If it's about health, then he should be just as concerned about his own crappy diet. Just because he isn't gaining weight doesn't make their crapfood diet healthy. I bet if Catelynn could eat crap and not gain weight, Tyler wouldn't be as verbal about what she eats. How is he any better? Because he doesn't gain weight that makes it ok? Idk, it's just disgusting to me how he tries to come across as so sincere, when he really needs to step up those acting classes. My thing is that I bet Tyler is much more controlled when the cameras are on; I think real Tyler is very different than what we see, but we are starting to get very small glimpses of the real Tyler (even going back to the last season w/ the dogs etc). He may not be the worst guy in the world or even a bad guy, but I don't think he's exact a good guy, either. I think Catelynn deserves better, deserves to be with someone who loves her for who she is, not who she was in 7th grade, someone who sees her as a person and not as a project or list of improvements. I also think she needs to assert herself more and be more firm with Tyler about certain things, but if she's too chicken to speak up because she doesn't want to lose him, that's on her. I used to really like Cate and Tyler, but they are both lazy and ambitionless. Tyler is no better, but he really thinks he is way above Catelynn. It is painfully obvious.

What is funny is that Maci has all these girls on social media congratulating her and praising her for sticking to her guns and standing up for her beliefs. Except.. she actually doesn't stick to her guns. She comes back, just like she and everyone else knew she would. It's called $$ vs morals. MTV is her paycheck. She's not about to give up money just to make a point based on some faux, moral outrage. (especially when it's a pretty hypocritical point) Maci knew she wasn't going to leave. Please.... Lol . The minute she started that talk, I laughed. She's not going to put her money where her mouth is, because then she'd have to find another way to make money. (Assuming she stops giving those "safe sex" talks since she's pregnant by daddy #2 --who is her , what? fourth boyfriend in a few years?--and after talking engagement with each of those four men, she is still not married.) Maci is a big hypocrite, perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all the teen moms. (Farrah is a hateful psycho, but Maci need not look down her nose at anyone.) She's brought at least 3 or 4 men into Bentley's life (okay, 3-- Kyle, Kyle 2, Taylor), is pregnant with Baby #2 , by a different guy, umpteenth boyfriend, not married.... gives talks against doing everything that she herself is doing for the second time around, and has had just as much sex as Farrah--minus the money and the camera :p (I don't care about any of those things except in the context of showing Maci as a hypocrite) All that talk about leaving was bull. If she were really that upset over it and truly morally opposed, she wouldn't change her mind (and we know she does film again). She wants the paycheck from MTV , and she isn't outraged enough to give up $ over some hypocritical objection about sex. I wonder if Maci thinks it's the money or the camera that makes Farrah's sex more immoral than hers?

I knew the poster was referencing the Jenny Jones incident, too. It may sound like a Law & Order episode, but sadly, it did happen. I thought Ari might be a transgender female too, but as the episode went on, I thought I was mistaken. Also, while I agree that transgendered females are females, not all of society has currently accepted that, and they just may not believe it to be true. Thankfully, times are changing and people are getting a clue, but looking at it from a straight male's perspective, if the female has a penis and they are intimate with the female, they might think that makes them gay. It's too bad Ari was too embarrassed? Upset? to talk to Jamey. This episode was way better than last week's.

Sean chews with his mouth open. Gross. That makes two bad habits he has that my toddler nephew knows better than to do. I felt a little better about Ryan and Jessica tonight, but I'm not yet convinced. I can't cosign anger issues, but I'm willing to withhold judgment and wait and see. Jaclyn and Ryan were a pleasure to watch. I can't believe how much more I like her. I do feel she's being sincere, and I'm giving her a pass on her initial reaction. While I mostly either feel a connection right away or I just don't ever, there have been times when the attraction and connection grew from friendship. I can see how much warmer and more affectionate she is with Ryan, and she seemed more comfortable--not totally, but definitely more.

As a currently single person who is just about ready to get back into the dating scene, I try to put myself in the places of these couples by imagining being married to the next guy I go out with, the first time we meet, on a blind date. Yikes!! That is scary! I think back on my ex, where we had an immediate and intense physical and emotional connection, and I can recall how comfortable we were right away. I knew we'd fall in love, so I enjoyed the wonderful process of "falling", that sort of electric-buzz of connecting . As much as I couldn't get enough of him, there was still that period where I wanted to go home and poop in private. These couples never have that period; it's just right into marriage. No slow joining, no slowly being introduced to each other's habits, etc. In a crazy kind of way, there is something slightly appealing about what they're doing-- having all the work done for you as far as dating and finding "the one", then taking a risk, working past your own comfort zone by marrying a stranger in hopes the experts indeed know what they're doing and have found "the one" for you, knowing that you're supposedly compatible, so it's basically your job to make it work or not. On the other hand, I don't want to be on TV, so no way I'd ever do this. Also, experts or not, love and attraction have abstruse elements no test or interview can pin down --certain things just can't be explained. For the marriages that do seem to be working, I wonder how much of it is "love the one you're with" , or MAFS Stockholm Syndrome.

Hahaha! I'm dying!! Maria pissed me off. It wasn't just her laziness, disregard for her health and her life, or how she proclaimed she needed a break from sitting on her ass for 7 months, or the way she lazed about while the world orbited around to both literally and figuratively clean up her shit . What angered me most was watching her daughter cry over her useless mother, give up her life, care for her and worry.. only to have said mother demand food, then laugh and snicker at the daughter when Sierra called her out. How dare she, that witch. I love and respect my mother more than words, but if she were obese, couldn't move, and were too lazy to even try, especially after being handed all those gifts to regain her health, and if she sat there and laughed at me while she demanded I fetch food, it would happen one damn time. I would have esnatched that jello away and told her she better get ready to walk or go fucking hungry. It was disgusting to watch her roll her eyes like a child, ignore the nurses while she clicked on her laptop, then that one time her eyes were rolling back like there was something wrong, yet the camera panned down to her tapping her talons on her perch. Hell no. "Move away from me!" She says with that growl. Ha! Move away or what? You can't move, you lump. They'd have a fast recovery if I were their caregiver. I'd give no fucks about attitudes or eye rolls or lame threats. I get that as a daughter, she probably didn't want to disrespect her mom, but screw that. Her mom was incredibly disrespectful, but besides that, this is life or death. Ugh, then that clapping and kowtowing because she lifted her ass for 3 seconds. Big whoop. Clap when she keeps doing it. I was so sick of her saying they were pushing too hard... 7 months down the road!

For me, the whole thing about Sean and Davina's conversation was that he flat out ignored her pretty much each time it was her "turn". How long they've known each other --even the fact that they're newlyweds-- is secondary. What he did was rude and dismissive. I can have reciprocal conversations with perfect strangers, so their newlywed status doesn't matter. It's just rude, IMO. I was taught differently and maybe that colors my view. He told a story, she responded, then she started to tell her story...he walked off and said he was going to get his gloves (this was after she started talking) and then asked if she wanted her gloves too. I don't want to belabor the point, but I felt it was so rude! I noticed it before Davina addressed it in her talking head. I understand that not every conversation will be perfect, but if he can't even pretend to listen, I doubt his listening skills will improve over time...**unless** it's pointed out to him, which she did. Hopefully it is the cameras or whatever, but he doesn't seem to be too uncomfy in front of the cameras to talk about himself. Of course I wouldn't judge on just one conversation and I wouldn't freak out over it if it were an occasional thing, because, yes, it absolutely does happen. But is it a small thing when it doesn't just "happen", but it's part of the man's personality? I guess it depends. There are worse things, for sure, but communication is a huge deal. (And idk yet if it is part of Sean's personality to talk but not listen..I am only saying what I picked up on from what I saw. It's part of my training to notice certain things, but with edited TV one can only go by what we see, because we don't really know exactly what happened. I do trust that Davina wasn't lying ) I will admit that this is one of my pet peeves. I could not be with a man who talked but didn't listen. But see it's not about only that-- I think that's just a symptom. In truth, I cannot be with someone who is inconsiderate. That's what it boils down to for me. Courtesy. (If Sean is otherwise courteous and this is just a little flaw, then that's not as big of a deal.) As for the tears, I have been given an arm or a hug when i cry in front of people, and I give the same (rather, I offer it ). On second thought, I will give him a pass on that. I think it is really weird to stare ahead while the lady next to you cries, and I think most men are intuitive enough to know ...hmm, maybe it ain't just the scenery, but then again, maybe my view is colored by the men I've been with. I saw that Davina was getting misty about the moment/the whole situation really, and the scenery was just the kickoff. I think when Sean didn't put an arm around her, she genuinely started crying because she was hurt. I saw that. I read that. I guess that's why I've been a little bit defensive of her for some reason. But honestly.... it's silly to expect Sean to have picked up on that, so yes, I agree that was partly her fault and she should have said "hey ya big lug, this marriage thing is overwhelming, etc etc, now gimme your damn arm" and pulled him in or whatever. I didn't think I was going to care about these couples as much as the first season, but I'm hooked on the show for sure. I don't want to see anyone hurt, but I also don't want to see anyone end up with a nutter and/or an a-hole (this goes for the men and women!). It will be interesting (I hope, lol) to see where these relationships go.

I don't think Davina wanted praise for her mother's skiing skills, I just think she wanted Sean to acknowledge that he heard her. It's weird when you say something and the person to whom you're speaking carries on as if you never said anything at all. Acknowledging a statement is pretty much standard conversation fare, and Sean does seem to be lacking in that area. That can not only be annoying and hurtful, but it can say a lot about someone, too. It usually screams "me me me" in my experience. How hard is it to say, "oh that's cool!" or "Really, huh!" If that's needy then I guess I consider manners "needy", because to me it's just being considerate. (How does one not even bother to respond, especially when you're having a conversation?) As for the crying, I think that she was overwhelmed and simply wanted Sean to do what most people would do in that moment - - acknowledge the emotion and maybe soothe with physical touch. I bet if he'd not said a word and just pulled her in for a hug she'd have been fine /felt comforted. I do agree that she may be a bit needy, but I haven't seen anything unreasonable. I think my opinion of her has become more positive while my opinion of Sean has become more negative. I get a huge selfish vibe from him. Maybe because he grew from a picked-on-boy to a handsome man that he over compensates a bit. Ryan and Jacklyn are growing on me and coming into their own. I'm happy to see that and am liking them both more. Ryan and Jessica : I don't want to dislike him, but he comes off as so childish. I hope it's like someone said, that it's his way of testing (which is still childish but is at least understandable.) I hope he is a great guy and doesn't hurt her, but he needs to grow up and show affection like an adult instead of a middle schooler whose just realizing cooties aren't real.

I meant to add: I love the updates on past addicts! They can keep doing that and I'll never tire of it. Sara having ten years sober made me smile . (I remember having a hard time understanding her during her episode, but she sounded perfectly normal in her update, so I guess it was the drugs.) Good for her for her continued success!

I have my own past with drugs so I'm not judging (OK, I'm judging a little, lol), but I have to say that never, ever would I have used toilet water. Just..no. Some of these addicts are nasty, and I don't think it's always their addiction. I get life on the street is no picnic. I get beggars can't be choosers. I get resources are limited, money is for drugs and not bottled water and clean works (except...yes it is)...I get all that and I still don't get toilet water , I still don't get sitting there letting blood run down your arm after injecting while you answer your phone or stare off into the yonder, not bothering to at least grab a napkin . I still don't get the childish, demanding behaviors. I don't get the disregard for the safety of others. Sharing a needle, unprotected sex... Drugs are risky enough, and I can honestly say that I and my partner were sticklers for safety. Don't share needles, don't share works, period. If I somehow managed to contract something anyway, I'd damn sure not spread it around. I think the chances of contracting Hep C via sex are increase if you have certain risk factors, many of which a lot of the addicts have, and Samantha surely had-- IV drug use, multiple sex partners, certain types of sex, having another STD (as a prostitute, very possible for Sam) I'm just saying..there is so much blatant disregard. I've been in recovery a while, but I've pretty much seen it all. I've been around some crazy things, but some things still boggle the mind. I've never understood being a dirty, nasty addict. The two do not have to go hand-in-hand. Even on the streets it is possible to be a clean addict, or at least to inject clean water. It is possible to be disease-free, too. I know that's the least of the worries for some of the addicts, but it really shows how little these people think of themselves. Toilet water... It's almost symbolic. I've also never understood being a childish, asshole addict--I just wasn't like that. For me it all boiled down to manners and respect, high or not high, sick or not. I never demanded drug money from anyone, let alone my mother! Even though she is kind and giving, if I would have even attempted that kind of bullying-demanding for drug money, I know I would not have been successful. I have to admit that I didn't expect Samantha to be successful. I hope she continues on her path of recovery . I hope she gets treated for her Hep C, too. I had just posted in Ken's thread that I missed him, so I was thrilled to have him back. Who the fark snorts drugs in an airport boarding area? Lol!