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It was especially bad when Kevin said, "...even if it's not what you want to do..." in reference to continuing to date Sloane. Who the hell would say that? That was really out of character to say something so mean and just seemed a horrible plot contrivance to fuel a love triangle. One of my favourite things about this show is the person selecting the music. They are obviously a Nick Drake fan, with two of his songs being featured in the last few episodes. Good stuff. Of course, I was already in on the music when they blasted Romeo and Juliet in the first family scene this season.

I am also binge watching this, and this was the first episode that I didn't really enjoy. I felt like there was too much time spent on auxiliary characters (William's man, the almost-jumper, and Sloan...who I actually kind of like but didn't feel ready to meet her family just yet). I also thought Toby's Jerry Maguire moment was ridiculous, considering they were broken up and there was no guarantee Kate would be receptive to it.

I loved Randall's declaration that he was going to learn how to play the piano and perform a recital in the future. Brilliant! The guy who is probably good at everything he does wants to try something at which he is not good. I hated that his family pretty much just laughed at him for it. He certainly deserved better from his wife in that situation, especially after she shit all over his job earlier in the episode.

Yes, I find it annoying to watch how some of the men on this show are portrayed as some sort of perfect beast (tall, attractive, rich/successful, well-dressed, caring, helpful, etc.). Of course, with this show creator's history, I am sure they'll tell us next week that her boyfriend has a huge penis and can give Kelsey countless orgasms just by snapping his fingers. It's just not interesting! Give us something a little more balanced and intriguing. Your line about the dead exes is probably bang-on with how they'll drop the other shoe on this guy. Perfect but for one outlandishly over the top flaw...like maybe he bangs sheep too. And on a similar note, another episode, another chance to tell us how attractive Josh is. This time it was Montana's mother. I really do think this is in the actor's contract now because it has happened in over half the episodes and never feels like something organic to the conversational setting.

You are implying that there is a gender bias here. That's not what causes the different level of interest. The interest in the other cases was more of the mystery aspect...the "What do you think happened?" or "Which side are you on?" aspect. In this particular documentary, we kind of know the bad guys, so there isn't much mystery in that area of the case. The compelling part of this documentary is the cover up and how some of the victims have fought back. Also, the Amanda Knox case, which has its own set of documentaries, is proof that people will be interested in a female version of "Did she do it?"

I agree. They shouldn't arrest someone based on one accusation. However... I agree, and I think the best response to an accusation is to facilitate or lead a genuine investigation, where finding the truth (and not protecting the status quo) is the goal.

Jean was a star. She could have been the entire episode, and I would have been fine with that. Actually, the episode would have been much better overall if she was the entire episode. Her story, and her ability to tell her story, was unforgettable. I feel the episode ran at least 10 minutes too long. The beginning was particularly drawn out. By the tenth minute, we were still hearing about how large the school's gym was, which just didn't seem necessary. I fear this series might suffer from being a bit boring, despite the important subject matter. Sometimes less is more.

This show is really straining hard to keep Josh in the picture. It's not quite on the same level as revealing a "twin" of the dead fiancé, but it's getting closer to being as forced. I never bought the fact that he would hang out with any of Liza's friends after the breakup. He's a young dude in an enormous city. He probably has countless other friends and hobbies that could take up his time. Another episode, another eccentric writer. I have watched and listened to many writers interviewed, and most of them were remarkably ordinary/boring. I guess that wouldn't make for great TV, though.

I agree with the show being very watchable. I'm not sure I enjoy Josh so much, though. They had him sit in a car and wait for his 40 year old girlfriend while she went and had drinks with her friends. I hope they start writing him with a bit more realism. He's just a little too accommodating right now.

I would love it if this show could go one episode without having one of the characters announce how hot Josh/Charles are. Is it in the actors' contracts?

I am a year behind watching this, but I agree. OF COURSE they gave the good looking nice guy a huge penis. That's such a trope...just like how they declared Josh a well hung "horse" in Season 1. All good looking guys have huge dicks, right? And all women LOVE big dicks and react by drooling at every opportunity. Ugh, I hope this ends up being the low point of the season rather than a sign of things to come.

I thought it was an odd choice to show us the OB-GYN-view shots of Rachel on the dog sled. I didn't know whether to reach for my speculum or get ready to catch a baby.

The poor guy getting dumped wasn't privy to Rachel's negative commentary or the odd background music while the date was occurring. It probably seems way more awkward when seeing it post-edit. Nevertheless, he should have noticed how uncomfortable Rachel was when he kissed her. She resorted to the ever-awkward double hand hold to prevent any intense hugs and/or gropes. This is such a classic move that the premier episode of Seinfeld centered around it. Once again, the Lee part of the show did it no favours. Contrived drama makes me turn the channel now, not strive to tune in next week. Dial it back a bit, producers.

A friend of mine once broke up with someone because she preferred spiral Kraft Dinner to the original version...although I really think that reason was just code for, "She wasn't attractive enough." I loved the spelling bee idea, but I really think the show could have taken it much further. They have two hours to fill, so why not blow out that date into a full examination/Olympics episode? Use spelling as one test category, but incorporate other tests in arithmetic, geography, memory games, trivia, logic puzzles, 100m sprint, chinups, etc. A Bachelorette Decathlon episode appeals to me much more than wasting time on blimps and racists. And on that topic of racists...I hate that the producers felt compelled to force this guy onto our screens. I have very little doubt they recruited him to serve this shit-stirring purpose, and that makes them no better than the shit-stirrer himself.

I am unspoiled. I'm curious if other unspoiled people are feeling the same. I don't for one second think Rachel will marry any of these guys. Nearly a 0% chance.

If I could get another season about wheat and Russian grocery stores...okay anything but that and I'll be fine. I do think fast forwarding to the 90s would be interesting, but only if saved for the final episode or two.

Yes, Rachel and the guys have surprised me by encouraging all of this Spring Break/bachelorette party behaviour. Rachel was one step away from jumping into that mud pit with the guys and stuffing bills down their pants on Ellen. The guys themselves didn't seem shy about these activities either. The producers could arrange a segment next week where Rachel unzips the guys' pants and measures their private parts, and now I'd fully expect everyone to be perfectly content with it. I'm not sure if the guys know what to do, because every signal they are getting is that aggressive, immature(?) behaviour gets the lead's attention. Or maybe I'm just that weird guy who prefers to talk with women at parties instead of ripping my clothes off, grinding up on them, and throwing my tongue down their throat.

"I can't believe you have someone else on the backburner! Here I am, selflessly narrowing down my options to just 15-20 men, most of whom I am making out with whenever we can, while you have that one woman in the background like the selfish jerk that you are."

That entire rose ceremony was interrupted after each and every rose with comments from Whaboom and Blake, not to mention their faux-confrontation after being bounced. Come on show, those two morons are the worst part of your season. I really hope they drop this garbage from future seasons. Also, I don't really buy the Demario situation. First of all, 99.9% of guys wouldn't have bothered showing up at the mansion to beg back onto the show because further embarrassment is sure to occur. And secondly, Rachel's response was so letter perfect that it screamed "SCRIPTED!" I thought the shirtless dancing on Ellen was tasteless, but apparently there is some mud wrestling coming up. Just because they are men doesn't mean they can be safely objectified without it being in poor taste. Go ahead and try this on The Bachelor, and we'll see just how much outrage it generates. I know, I know, don't watch this show and expect tasteful. I guess there is an in-between status that I would appreciate a lot more.

I feel this was the prevailing attitude from the show this week...at least until the roles were reversed on Friday's show discussion. The hosts all couldn't hide their delight at being able to criticize rich men for choosing to have vasectomies to avoid unwanted children. Why is that a problem for any of these hosts? They acted like the men were complete assholes for opting for vasectomies. They also cheered each other for nagging in relationships, destroying personal property of their partners, and so on in another classic male-bashing segment. I wish they would stop thinking it's cute or funny to be so anti-men. Grow up.

I raised an eyebrow at Rachel's criticism of the guys being boring. The common element to all of those boring conversations on the group date was Rachel herself. But I have the same reaction when I hear from my single friends that dating sucks because everyone they meet is a dud. Perfect Peter put forth a perfect performance on his perfect date with Rachel. It was so perfect that it felt a bit robotic to me...almost as if he was saying everything he thought Rachel wanted him to say. But I guess that's dating for the first bit. How did DeMario's team lose that basketball game? He was miles ahead of everyone else on that court. That shady half-relationship and lying was not good, but that basketball loss against a team of scrubs is what goes on his tombstone.

This show focused almost entirely on the worst kind of men because it was a rape investigation. I don't think it is fair to use this show as evidence to support theories about real world men. Cyberstalking, rape, assault, and distributing porn...these are not especially common (although still far too prevalent) behaviours. As for cheating...I'd say women play a fairly equal role in that shameful activity.

I completely agree. They should always read all of the votes, and they very rarely do. In this circumstance, though, there was no good reason to keep those votes concealed. It would have been interesting information for the viewers at home (always a good reason to do something), and it would be in line with how they handle ordinary vote reveals.

I still have a hard time accepting Michaela schooling anyone on social etiquette. Remember her "Brad, go fishing!" command? And she has never been particularly friendly around camp. I'm not a Brad fan either, but Michaela has been a contributor to a lot of the social problems she has experienced on the show.

If I was a juror, I would have voted for Troyzan. I know the show pushes the outwit, outplay, outlast theme, but I would be one of those jurors who just votes for who he likes most. I liked his humble speech at the end, and his sincere reverence for Season One. I totally identified with him there and got that same tear in my eye that he got in his. I think there is something wrong with the game design when five idols can be played with six people remaining in the game. I was indifferent to the outcome there, but the game mechanics felt wrong. That said, I do like the tiebreaker that Jeff revealed they would use if two people were tied on the final vote. I really want to see that tiebreaker vote happen on the live reunion show some day! The Cirie "Get up off the couch!" messaging has grown old, not that it was ever applicable to most of us anyway. Most of us can't drop our work and family commitments for 6 weeks at a time. Nice enough person, but she blew up her own strategic game this season and was terrible in nearly every challenge. I didn't see a need for the in-game speech from Jeff nor the standing ovation from the live crowd.