JenMcSnark

That thought definitely crossed my mind too. She has to know. Especially after that. Troll on girl.

Thank you! This is really the main thing that stood out for me in the episode because it bothered me so much. The only thing I can think of is that the phone call was more about thanking Merlyn from saving her from the general craziness of life in Starling City? I don't know. But it makes zero sense that she thought it was Merlyn who literally saved her from her troll-doll hanging unless she is color blind. edited because did I really say zero cents??? I'm as crazy as Thea

The funny thing for me is that I am Beth. I like to go off by myself when camping and sing to the forest creatures. I LOVE singing sad, artsy fartsy songs in the fog. I would totally be wandering around the ZA singing to myself to keep my spirits up or whatever it does for me. But it doesn't work for me on this show. And it's not really EK. It just...doesn't work. It seems weird and uncomfortable somehow. Now if the others had joined in? Or if she had started a song the others might know? Maybe it would have worked. I don't mind her mentioning it to the doctor in the context of this episode because I totally agreed with her (loved that Caravaggio btw). It might have been funny had he started to sing after she said it and she joined in! But maybe not. ETA: But hell, who am I kidding? It's a fun (and relatively harmless) thing to make fun of.

I wanted to agree for the most part with the bolded. I don't think EK is a great actress but I do think Beth has a place on the show. With the group. But, it's not the best way to further an underdeveloped character's story by giving that character an entire, underdeveloped and underwhelming episode. For the italicized part, I feel the complete opposite. I watch this show for the group dynamic. That's what it has always been and it's where it shines. MMV of course. But seeing each person at different points in their "journey" in the ZA and how the others affect that and help them is what I want to see. The evolution of them as individuals is nothing to me without the evolution of them as a group. I guess to me, that is better expressed on television in a group setting. For example, I actually enjoyed Beth's suicide arc. I understood where she was coming from. I also got where Andrea was coming from. I enjoyed seeing Beth realize that she might want to live. And like someone upthread said, this episode was a reaffirmation of that. Beth has her place in the group. And I don't mind her in it. As long as she doesn't sing. ETA: I agree that the group as a whole with the DC crew is too much. But you can still have the group together and then focus on just several at a time in the context of the same things happening.

I think what statsgirl was saying was that Mama Smoak shows up at Felicity's office and runs into Ray where she tells him she was supposed to meet Felicity (not explaining the relationship? I don't know...). Maybe she was dropped off by a cab or Uber or something, so he offers to drive her to Felicity's apartment. And then he is surprised that she is Felicity's mom in that scene.

I don't think they did and this is something else I don't like. It's either related or it's completely boneheaded by the showrunners. I guess it goes along with the kudzu, but now we've had how many places that are sparkly clean? The funeral home and the church with Father PeePants (which I thought were going to be related last week) and even the hospital looked pretty shiny considering how long it's been since there has been electricity and running water. And they're on what floor? And where are they bringing the water from with all the zombies down at the bottom. Nope.

I think it was a great idea, but bad execution. I didn't think the acting was that great from anyone and there were a lot of plot holes. As someone upthread mentioned, they took Beth from a pretty far distance away and then brought her back into a fairly hellishly over-run area. Yet the doctor seemed to think it was hopeless to try to escape, etc. And why return to Atlanta to set up camp anyway. Meh.

And she scratched "Fuck You" in the tile. Nice touch! I liked that girl.

Barrowman...be still my heart. Emily looks really pretty in that color of blue. Pretty blouse.

I like the way you think!

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I'm afraid to snark anymore, but it looked like Dawn put a little more effort into that slap.

I am for real, thank you. It's (mostly) snark. And TBH I'm having a hard time focusing because I find this pretty damn boring.

Beth really is worthless. The crippled POC redshirt gets away, but she can't. hahahaha

Shoulda smeared themselves with the walker guts. smh Is Carol the only one with brains?

Did I miss something? Is there not a stairwell they can use?

Some guys like a little corn on the cob action.

Oh shit. I wasn't paying attention and then I saw Daryl. I got really excited. That's messed up.

Why the black man always have to die? ETA: Oh, guess he didn't die. I just assumed. :-(

Ha!

Ermagod this is boring.

Can we live chat the commercials? Cuz Eric Bana sure is pretty.

Holy shit Dawn. Was that really necessary?

I'm pretty sure the premiere actually was a parallel/alternate universe. Unfortunately.

I also wanted to share this interview http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/28/emily-bett-rickards-on-appearing-on-the-flash-and-whats-next-for-felicity-on-arrow that came out yesterday. I just love EBR's insight into her character! She says this about Felicity and Oliver going forward: *sigh*