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Yes - her mother said she created the cocktail for Bethenny's godmother (who was overweight) back in the day.

I dunno. To my eye - when I compare how everybody fared this year - that supposed double-talk resulted in Denise Fucking Richards walking away from this dumpster fire of a season with a bunch of snatched wigs in her hand. She didn't sell out a long friendship for a paycheck & gutter-fame (while waving papers at the camera - My evidence, your honour! - like a demented Atticus Finch). Denise Fucking Richards didn't sell out her own marriage by proclaiming the woman who called her husband a cheating fuckhead a truth teller with an unblemished record of honesty. Denise Fucking Richards never sold herself as a straight shooter who lifts up women while running a scammy and scummy business preying on women with body issues. But most of all, Denise Fucking Richards being bullied and harassed on this show robbed that pack of rabid howler monkeys of the one thing they desperately covet, and have failed to get for two years now: an audience willing to swallow their not-so-magic tricks and self-serving lies and bullshit narratives. If double talk gets those results, count me in. It's not often (in reality TV) that the smug fakes and mean fucks get what they deserve, so I guess this was one for the books, after all, due to Denise Fucking Richards. Thanks for torching the joint on your way out, Wild Thing!

Oh, how I wish Denise had read this list at the reunion!

I'm so glad her former clients marks are publicly blasting Fraudi Mellencamp. Advocating a starvation diet is beyond fucked up (especially since we have decades of info about how badly the body responds to this kind of "eating plan"). "The self-described former All In customer claims the meal plan consisted of 450 to 500 calories a day, though the NDA prevented them from getting into specifics...In response to a question about her credentials, Mellencamp states that she’s an American Fitness Professionals & Associates–certified nutrition-and-wellness consultant — a title one can earn through a $699 online course, or, as Langer puts it, “a fucking wackadoodle credential that means absolutely nothing.” https://www.thecut.com/2020/09/teddi-mellencamps-accountability-program-sounds-like-hell.html

Agreed. It sounds like total damage control. And likely straight from Dorinda herself, since it has her drunk-logic all over it ("St. Dorinda of Jovani tried to rescue Tinsley from an abusive relationship by cleverly turning all her interactions with Tinsley into...an abusive relationship. (Wait, whut?) Mockery, name-calling, blindsiding, public humiliation; these were the holy tools of personal growth used by St. Dorinda in her Tinservention. St Dorinda even refused her commercial fee - money that could have bought her delectable roast chicken from the medieval markets of Jovani - plus a mountain of heavenly coke - to prove her integrity when it came to ending Tinsley's happy engagement to the monster that gave St Dorinda's fuckbuddy a massive chunk of change"...DUH DUH! Enter Lenny Briscoe, asking ALL the motherfucking fact-based questions.) What a joke. We see you for who you are, Dorinda; a vicious drunk who was allowed to heap ungodly amounts of abuse on a co-worker in a way that would have brought down a multi-million dollar lawsuit on your ass, and Bravo's, in any other work environment, including scripted television. To use one of your fortune-cookie sayings: Say it, social media will never forget it; Rewrite history, you will regret it.

...here I go, Anne Thrax - Sonja-style!

...I see what you did there ; ) Mellencamp is such a fool. Two years in a row, a popular cast member has been bullied and harassed and driven off the show, social media has been calling out the hydra-headed TedrinnaKylerica monster non-stop, but Teddi thinks they've all been vindicated because it's about "showing the truth as an ensemble". Jesus, what an idiot. Can't believe I ever liked this lying, dim-witted self-revering "heath-conscious" conwoman. I blame it on the horses; their beauty blinded me to her inner ugly.

And he filed on February 4th, before Covid became an economic wrecking ball - so his business had longstanding financial issues: "The year started slowly for Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings in New York Eastern Bankruptcy Court, with fewer in January and February than in the first two months of 2019. Then came March. Sixty companies filed for Chapter 11 during the month, up 58 percent from a year earlier and more than twice as many as in March 2009, when the stock market hit bottom at the end of the Great Recession." https://therealdeal.com/2020/04/16/chapter-11-bankruptcies-in-new-york-at-historic-high-trd-insights/ Anybody here who understands bankruptcy, you can search for Madam Paulette at that link and a bunch of terms come up - like SmBusPlnDue (sounds like a bizarre personal ad to me - SingleMommyBustyPussyinDudeLikeYou - wait, Leah..?) So what, exactly, did Scott "generously" help John with? Madam Paulette? Personal debt? A messy mix of both? Did John go to Scott after Dorinda refused to help John (or could not help him?) Inquiring minds want to know! And thanks, Tinsley, for bringing old school "Dominick Dunne for Vanity Fair"gossip to this reunion...

I agree. (And my god, Dorinda is ugly when she goes there; she slips into shaming the way some of us slip into a hot bath on a cold night.) I think the comment was also meant to denigrate Scott, as well. Dorinda took a (patriarchal) whack at the father of Tinsley's child not being up to the task of providing Tinsley with manly sperm, the manly old fashioned way. (Scott can't get 'er done, so time for the turkey baster!) And shaming Scott's manhood is in line with Dorinda's reaction after Tinsley said, "I'm engaged, I'm getting married--" Gollum interrupted her and snarled "With no financial security". Motherfucker, please. We all know Scott provided for John just fine, so why not Tinsley? ; ) My devious-perhaps-not-likely-but-OMG-so-juicy-speculative backstory: In the last twenty-four months, Dorinda's been bleeding cash - spending too much money on high end free range roast chicken - rare white birds from Columbia - she was getting drunk and throwing cash at wings and breasts like a coke lord at Vegas, getting all Scarface at her local deli -"SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!" - and then the money ran out, and the chicken carcasses piled up, and she went to John for help, and he didn't have the cash to save her, so he went looking to make good on her chicken debts, and he ended up taking money from Tinsley's man, and Dorinda found out - in MIAMI! - and called John ("You don't run game behind my back, ever. I don't want you to talk to Scott. He's not your friend. When I say to you don't do something, you better fucking well listen.") and like all emotional mobsters, she can't forgive the person who sees her for who she really is - a financial fraud, a drunk and a bully - and now Dorinda owes Tinsley all the chicken, but Medley ain't paying nobody no chicken money... Didn't Dorinda also say (in a talking head) that she gave money once to someone in a wheelchair (because she assumed they were begging for money) but they were just waiting at the corner for the streetlight to change? eta: She did! Full clip here (in which she calls the Black man over to take her wrap, and realizes he is not working at the restaurant, and then blames her assumption on his shirt - a shirt that looks to be a classic dress shirt, btw - and then in her confessional she talks about passing by a man in a wheelchair - who turns out to be a lawyer waiting to get on the midtown bus - and she ruins his Starbucks coffee by shoving a five dollar bill in his cup). https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/episode-3/videos/even-housewives-make-mistakes

....good to see Fred and Wilma Flintstone finally sold their house!

I don't give Mellencamp flak for being boring. I give her flak for preying on women seeking positive body change, only to be fed magical unicorn answers from a woman who has no degree in nutrition or health, a woman pushing a program that is unhealthy, and untenable long term. Her program boils down to eating 500/800 calories a day, cardio, and sending her minions (aka "coaches" who have no fitness/medical/health certifications) a photo of your meals, a photo of your weight on your scale (hello, body-shaming) and fuck you if you fail, sucker. In that case, they keep YOUR money if YOU fail to live by a program that is guaranteed to not work (because science) one that will leave you fatter once you start eating a healthy amount of calories, and not exercising as if it were your part time job. Snake oil for the social media era, that's what Mellencamp is selling. And as someone who recovered from an eating disorder, I find her way of chasing-a-buck repulsive. Our bodies, as women, are already battlegrounds for all kinds of hate, control, and misogyny. We don't need any more bullshit thrown our way. I know we're living in an era in which experience, education and hard-earned skills are treated as so much dust in the wind when compared to the mighty expertise of cheap celebrity, but still; there are women out there starving themselves per Mellencamp's toxic advice, and Teddi pretends to be a decent person, even as she cashes their checks and waves her hands and claims she's jes' a gal who never told a lie, when the biggest, dirtiest lie she's telling is built right into her fucking business,

I'm not surprised, CosmoCrush - I really like Tinsley's lack of big-ass braggadocio, but jesus, she hides every accomplishment under her ruffles - she could do with a bit more Julia Sugarbaker ("And that! Was the night! The lights went out in Georgia!" : ) Of course. But a fist in your face still punches a hole in your soul, regardless of bank statements. She survived that brutality. Didn't give up. Went looking for a better life. I wish her well for it.

..sorry to hear that, Silver Bells - glad you're home (and ready to watch these women rumble at the reunion ; )

Tinsley paid for Columbia through privilege, but she didn't get into Columbia - and stay in and graduate - through privilege alone. She needed to meet an intellectual standard, and did. She received tennis lessons through privilege, but privilege didn't get her nationally ranked; her own tenacity and hard work and talent did that. Privilege didn't keep her from being physically attacked by an abusive ex, or magically leave her whole after the abuse ended, or erase her mugshot - or give Tinsley a nurturing mother when her daughter broke down in front of her - Tinsley earned those battle wounds and accolades, imo, by surviving or thriving.

..would you like a pirin tablet AND a cocktail, Silver ? ; )

..every now and then, when I reach for an ibuprofen, my husband says "Do you want a Pirin tablet instead?" ; ) I dunno, I think Dorinda is likely blind with rage and jealousy when it comes to Tinsley Mortimer. And when I run down the differences between them, it becomes even likelier, imo. Dorinda went to a decent college, but Tinsley went to an Ivy. Dorinda sold pashminas and mugs labeled Not well, bitch; Tinsley sold her own line of handbags, a clothing collection with Riccimi, a tabletop collection (Bed, Bath and Beyond) was the beauty ambassador for Christian Dior (where she helped create the "Tinsley Pink" lip gloss) and just released a resort collection this last spring. Dorinda wrote nasty blogs about her fellow castmates, Tinsley wrote a novel (Southern Charm) and was a contributing columnist to Town and Country. Dorinda taught aerobics, but Tins the southern belle - the kind of girl who glows but never perspires - was actually a nationally ranked tennis player (a lot of muscle and sweat equity in pursuit of that goal). Tinsley is the celebrity ambassador for No Dogs Left Behind. Dorinda is a celebrity ambassador for no charity (because dear jesus, who would want THAT foul-mouthed drunk as the face of your endeavour?) Dorinda is a toxic abuser who shit her own bed on camera; Tinsley survived a toxic abuser, and lived to tell the tale about the shit she survived. Dorinda taunts Luann about her mugshot; Tinsley jokes about her own. And just with RHoNY? Well, Tinsley made it out of the franchise without disgracing herself (and at worst, faced accusations of being boring or too girly or immature) whereas Dorinda was fired because she was too debased even for the gutter of reality tv, and is (laughably) currently writing an advice book "Make It Nice" (because who wouldn't want advice from a woman with a rage disorder?) And Tinsley is only in her mid-forties: she has a decade left before she's Dorinda's current age, another ten years to realize even more of her dreams, whereas Dorinda - drunk, bitter, abusive to one and all - is left to watch yet another Law and Order rerun, muttering about how unfair it all is. So yeah, if I were Medley, Tinsley would be the burr under my saddle, the festering scab I could not stop scratching, the woman who embodied everything I had either lost, never achieved, and will never have.

At no point in my post did I tell you that. The ultimate gaslighting tactic: Accusing the person you're gaslighting of gaslighting you. What a mess this season was. Endless episodes about grown women endlessly faux-enraged that a co-worker asked them to stop talking about sexually charged content in front of kids. Jesus Christ, these women are pathetic (who are the real children in this season? The kids, or the fifty-something brats crying about mom-shaming? And for the record, you harpies? Since you STILL don't understand why kids shouldn't be listening to their mother's friend discuss muff-diving, you deserve to be shamed. ) This is the slop they threw together and thought we'd gobble down? Freaks like Rinna playing the how-dare-you Mom card? Rinna? Whose mothering & parental role modeling includes viciously body-shaming people on social media? (Sure, Lisa - your disgust for bodies that aren't stick-thin had nothing to do with your daughter's troubled body image!) Or Erica, whose mothering included leaving her son on the east coast while she married up, and married far away? (But hey, he came for holidays, which makes me Mrs Fucking Brady, you motherfucking assholes,) Add in the bullying of the whole group and any of these women playing the Mom-Shaming Card is beyond galling. Especially in a culture that genuinely hectors and harasses women who work their assess off to raise happy kids, a culture that unfairly criticizes women who would never (repeatedly) model bullying or repugnant behavior to their children, a society that hates women who do the real mothering (instead of those who play Moms on reality tv). My irony meter breaks at the nerve of them all: they remind me of the guy who kills his parents and throws himself on the mercy of the court, "Because I'm an orphan, Your Honour." The only good thing to come out of this season is Kyle being forced to wear Brandi around her neck like a truth-telling albatross; the woman who trashed her husband is now the Mother Theresa of Beverly Hills. Karma finally arrived on Kyle's doorstep.

No. But neither is Kyle free to dabble in stereotypes without being called out for it. And if I (a white chick originally from Montreal) can hear the dog whistle in Kyle's attempt to publicly humiliate a black woman, then so can Kyle. Maybe Richards is too busy cozying up to racists like Brandi Glanville ("You can swim because you're not black" "I'll call you Yoyce”) to actually practice all that woke racial change shit she was fronting during the reunion. Much more fun playing (failed) gotcha with Garcelle.

Kyle has not earned any audience allowance for being "pushed" to do something ugly and venal, imo. She revealed her willingness to travel the most debased road the minute she declared Brandi Glanville a beacon of truth-telling light. That woman (trademark Kyle!) embraced someone who trashed her husband as a cheating, mindless-fuck-machine and dirty-dealing business pig. And she did it just to get leverage over a fellow castmate. Trashing Garcelle is a breeze compared to that level of self-serving corruption. Denise is not equipped to fend off these rabid monkey bitches throwing shit at her, but that said, I think she had the line of the night: "I couldn't hear you because I was talking." Well played, Wild Thing, well played.

....candid footage of Denise snatching the Joan wig off Rinna's head! (Forgive the sacrilege, njbchlover - as if Rinna the Rat could ever be a Helen Lawson ; )

That sounds like an Ab Fab episode, Sweetie! (Edina snob-tricked into paying 200 pounds for cheap shoes - later unveiled by a celeb to the press as a fashion fool - Lulu told them! - as Patsy humps the teenage Payless employee in the back. Wheels on fire...!) And bravo to Payless. Love snob-shaming & label-outing.

WTF? This is the life-changing "Helping women lean in" television programming Bethenny Frankel lectured the world about? This is the "I needz to lift up the ladeez!" career path? A show about food fights? Is her upgraded career? Jesus, Mary and Covid. Also: Bethenny clearly has RHoNY on the brain, because these scenarios fit several of her ex-castmates: Did a friend take credit for your secret recipe? (SO Luann! " I threw this dish together as easily as eggs a la Francaise after a pirate booty call - let me sing a song about it - "My milkshake brings all the boys to my yard...") Did a relative hijack your holiday dinner? (Bunny! "I'll just munch on my limp cruciferous veg and dry rice cakes while you all enjoy the pumpkin pie!") Does your partner always insist on ordering the same entree as you? (Dorinda! "John loves eating my shit!") Does your roommate cook smelly food? (Sonja! Although the odor might be the Jitney diaper.) Does your co-worker steal your food from the fridge? (Sonja!) Does a friend mooch meals and never chip in when the bill comes? (SONJA! SONJA! SONJA! I guess Sonja gets three entries, because she's the ch/eater brand). One option I can't find on the list - eating crow ; )

Amen. It's a weird time for the genre. Viewers have always called foul on producers tampering with reality, but jesus, they're not even trying to hide it anymore; they're turning producers into part of the show. And now we're getting leaked clips that make a lie of what the show aired; Garcelle is revealed as being unambiguously decent in that moment, whereas Rinna is (once again) revealed to be a toxic pig, playing out a lie created only to trash Garcelle. Fake on fake on fake. And so fucking boring. At this point, I think the audience is now (largely) forming opinions based on gut checks, and an awareness that there are no genuine housewife interactions or "candid reality" scenes to criticize, anymore. It's all scripted and edited beyond recognition, including the opposite of what actually happened (as with Garcelle). When the real story is on social media, not your show, you've got a problem. They need to catch up to where the audience has already gone, imo, or the whole franchise will die off. I'm Team Forum - only watching the show because the posters here make me laugh ; )

Since we have no ability to read Sami's internal truth behind her response, not sure why that scene is being treated as testimony given in a court of law - that was one tightly edited clip, not a fifteen minute, free-flowing discussion between mother and daughter! - but even if I do take Sami's response as shown on camera and balance it against the argument that Denise must have been lying, other options arise, imo. It's just as likely Sami was doing what almost every teenage girl has done since the dawn of time, and Denise recognized it; pretend it's all good, when in reality, the thing being discussed was weird and sticky but you don't want A Big Freakin' Talk with your mother about the sticky thing, because that will be even ickier. It's also equally likely that Denise was genuinely mistaken, not outright lying. Given how protective and strict Denise is with Sami (not wanting her to date until she was sixteen, putting security cameras outside the house so Sami can't sneak out at night to meet boys) it's also possible Denise's protective instincts went into over-protective mode, and she truly believed Sami was affected by the discussion, even though Sami was not. And it's also possible Denise was lying about her daughter, completely uncaring about how Sami would feel when her mother's cheap and manipulative use of her oldest girl was revealed on camera. Given the options (two that are not duplicitous, one that is - and more options I haven't thought of! : ) it's puzzling to me that Denise-as-proven-liar is being presented as the one likely truth (especially so in the wake of proven producer bias, anti-Denise pot-stirring, and the complete untrustworthiness on the part of the people who produce and edit this show).

Rinna stole her dance moves from Sally O'Malley.