Cambion

Okay, I'll give ya the karaoke. ROFL

I submit that Demon!Dean did absolutely nothing different than Regular!Dean ever did, just more intensely and with more relish.

Lester was human. Dean jokes about all kinds of things, and as much as we might love the guy, his hands are not lily white. So we can split hairs here as much as we want, but the fact remains that Lester was just as human as Terry (and far less guilty/evil for those who want to go there) and Dean made a sarcastic/sassy/funny/whatever-you-want-to-call-it remark as he killed him. I'm also fairly certain there were other humans, including a couple that he allowed someone else to kill and made a remark. I don't remember enough about it to look them up at this point, If they come to me I will. But suffice it to say, Terry was not the only human Dean has been cavalier about as he killed them.

Um ... yes, he does. Here's the ones just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others: S5E3 Killing Vampire. "Eat it, Twilight!" S9E19 Decapitating a vampire he has up against the wall. "Look at me. Look at me, bitch!" S10E2 Killing Lester. "Is that what you like to do? Watch? Well, watch this." And these are just the ones I can think of happening AS he ganks something/one. He jokes about killing something/one a lot also: S4E7 "You're gonna wipe out a whole town for one little witch. Sounds to me like you're compensating for something." S7E15 "I don't usually endorse suicide, but, man, what stopped you?" S9E2 "You hold him down while we knife him, and then we'll all go out for ice cream and strippers." And let's not forget his attitude about it: S9E19 Killing things that need killing is kind of our job. Last I checked, taking pleasure in that is not a crime. I don't think he takes killing as a joke, but he jokes about it. Sorta like the Trauma Orthopaedists, I used to work for, you gotta joke about patients who were mangled in car wrecks to keep from going mad from the stress of fixing those patients.

Maybe I'm dreamin and he only said once, I've only been to watch ep 14 one time.

I took it as Dean trying to be funny. He said basically the same thing before he ganked the shop owner in ep 300.

There are some other thoughts above regarding this, but I'm tight on time and too lazy (don't judge me!) to go find them all. Buuuuuutttt, Michael left Dean because he was annoyed at Dean's "squirming". Really? What a badass dick with wings. I tremble in his presence. NOT. Then when he came back, it wasn't long before Dean said, Nope, I'm not gonna take this anymore and put Michael on ice. (Ha! See what I did there? Okay, I'll stop now.) Then Micheal spends 99% of his time in the freezer throwing a temper tantrum then Bang! all of a sudden the door pops open. In my headcanon Micheal stands there for a moment with his mouth hanging open then bolts for the door. Then, realizing that Dean is strong enough to both trap him and keep him contained for a good time, like any bully Mike makes a run for the exit. In the AU Michael had a badass army of dicks with wings at his back. In our universe, he had to build his own army, and he has no reason to believe that they are still out there waiting for him, he's been on ice for long enough for his monsters to be defeated, or disband as they did. He has to get out there and ascertain that and see if he still has an army or not. So, he's gonna make a run for the border from the only real opposition he's ever had: Dean. So, that's why he didn't attack Dean the moment he got out. Really, for all he knew at that moment Dean let him out so he could banish or kill him. So, works for me that he would run for a new vessel and take a chance on killing Dean the old fashioned physical way. Ah, very interesting! Thanks Juppschmitz!

Hey DeeDee, I missed replying to this one. Sorry about that. IA with you 110%, but since we don't get to see these things on the actual show I use fanfiction to chip away at that desire. I mean, a fan can dream, can't they? Doylist? (Pretend I know next to nothing about this stuff, because, yeah, that's true.)

Replying to SueB's spoiler so I won't quote it, but that keeps coming to my mind as well. It's a very intriguing notion. Serves all involved well and is something I'd love to see happen. But, from the sounds of what the more experienced here have said, I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

As for the fan favorite, I would love to see Meg back. Such a great character. So many great flippant lines and I love the back and forth she has with all the others. I also wonder - though this seems like it might be much too logical and within canon to actually happen - Jack getting grace back could mean he would fulfill the angel's original plan for him which was to create new angels. Especially since I didn't think resurrecting angels was more than a rare thing, was it?

Yes, I dabble from time to time. Haven't been published in years because I'm just too laid back about a great many things. *snort* I really identify with Dean. I find his reactions to a lot of things to be the same as my own, and it's honestly the first time I've seen a character so beautifully, wonderfully, and humanly flawed. (My writerly thing is characterizations and relationships.) Most of the characters on this show are very well drawn, and I get annoyed or impatient or perplexed by them simply because they remind me of real people I know. Which, as awful as it sounds, is a good thing. And remembering that they are not real actual living people makes it easier to forgive them their foibles in ways that I have never forgiven my family and friends for some of the same things. And I do find it endearing how many people here are willing to duke it out (even if it's only on a message board) in defense of fictional people. I love how this fandom connects. Not only with the stories and characters, but with each other. I wish I had run into it sooner since I enjoy it so much and am getting so much out of it. Not just fandom enjoyment, but in terms of IRL emotional support, as well. Anyway, cheers y'all, I gotta get some shut eye and it takes me hours of winding down to get there so I need to shut things down and make my safe space. ❤️ A billion times THIS!!!!! I've been dying to see that and I'm going to make a clip and watch it over and over just for the feels!

I'm not sure I would agree that Sam got them all killed. For me, the problem with the "leader" storyline was that it seemed to have been thrust upon him and they only seemed to show him screwing up, which couldn't have been all of it or otherwise why were all the AU hunters still there following him? Also, parts of it were cheesy, again, the way it was written. But I don't see that as Sam getting them all killed. to use the show's parlance - that's on Micheal. It wasn't something - gauging by some of the reactions here - that even we saw, and there are quite a few people here analyzing everything and what ifing until the cows come home. And I don't remember seeing anyone call that. So, I can't blame Sam on that one. And I can't find the early post now but I got sidetracked earlier and didn't get to reply, that I saw the Souless Sam as being a cruel twist of fate for a character who has been portrayed as a real good guy. He was sociopathic with no soul and in that way - as you pointed out - really showed the whole conceptualization of what a soul brings to a human being. I liked your take on it. Cheers!

I appreciate the clarification of your of criticizing the story. I enjoy your posts, since, as a writer I learn from your analyses. I guess I misunderstood your not real people comment and over the years I've seen people really grind themselves down over what happens to their fav characters and as a protector type personality... ah well. ❤️

By the same token, I see a lot of comments about how this character or that character doesn't get what they deserve, whether good or bad. they're not real people. As for your comment about the storytelling, there comes a point when you have to either enjoy what you are given, or walk away because our complaints will fall on deaf writers ears. Sure, there are lots of storylines that don't make sense, that don't do what I think they should have done, treat a character in a way I find annoying or hurtful, but how much energy am I going to waste complaining about it is my attitude. I very much enjoy a lot of the fanfiction that corrects the mistakes we see on screen, tell the stories in ways that are closer to what I and others would like to see. That's satisfying, even more so because it is juxtaposed against something that didn't work well for me. Ultimately, these characters belong to everyone who watches them, enjoys them, and cares about them. Not just to the shows writers or the actors. All of them share their ideas with us, and while it's too bad it isn't a better two-way street so that our ideas go back, that's the way it is. We simply have to decide how much we're going to let it suck out of us. I've been involved in some very long running fandoms. There was one, years ago, where a recurring character was completely trashed in an episode. This wasn't a super popular character, but the trashing they got very much affected one of the regular characters. Anyway, afterwards, on forums for that show, I opined that I like that character and wished that he had been treated better and I was very disappointed that the main character was left looking like they wanted to help but instead walked away. I sketched out a little "gee, I wish I could see", and the next season, I saw exactly that. Not what I expected to happen, but I really feel that someone saw that idea and decided it was good enough to go with. So, while these writers may not work like that, I wanted to illustrate that there is a real relationship between the show and the fans. I've seen it and been part of it in other fandoms and have in my interactions of those stars. I haven't met anyone from SPN (and at Creations prices probably never will), but I see how they act with other fans and hear from other fans what they're like, and this is a pretty special fandom to be a part of. So, I got off course here as I am wont to do, but I just want to say that seeing the glass half full isn't such a bad thing in this situation.

ITA. There are things I would have like to see, but all in all, I liked it. I'm not that sad to see Michael go, even in Dean,, as interesting as that was, Mike is just a one-note character, so not much to be going on with there. I'm very glad to see Jack do something other than make doe eyes in a corner. I loved how he argued about saving Dean (nice to see someone trying to protect Dean in a - mostly - unselfish way), and I'm glad they figured out how to get Jack some grace. No more sick Jack, which, though I mostly like the character, was really making me annoyed with him. They were playing him like a girl with consumption in an 18th century novel . I also loved that he called himself a Winchester as if it was the best thing in the world. 🙂

Ruthie Connell just live streamed on Instagram for a few minutes. She said that tonight's episode has an interesting monster and a real twist at the end. 😄

Wait, what? How is MP an expert on power generation, green energy, etc., etc. And can that industry take him off our hands? Please?

No, no...a UNICORN!

IA with this. Especially the part about how Sam's emotions were a mystery. I really wanted to feel more for Sam than I did watching those episodes, but it just wasn't there. The whole drinking blood thing seemed to me an addiction that started as "hey, try this, it will be cool", you know, the whole let's keep up with the cool kids kind of start. Because it was never explained why/how he actually started. His protestations of "I'm getting stronger so that I can fight Lilith/Lucifer" just seemed hollow. Agreed, drinking demon blood did aid him significantly in the end, but still, after how many episodes thinking 'WTF?' whenever it came up, it kinda didn't pay off for me. Especially now that we saw Dean do the same thing with Michael all by his own grit and will and strength - no demon blood required. What should have been the pay off of drinking demon blood was when Sam killed Lilith, but it turned into Ruby using him as a tool for how long? Sorta just made me feel like Sam was really weak for falling into Ruby's trap and being played like a fiddle all that time. I, at least, would have benefited from really seeing Sam struggle - if he even did - with the decision to start drinking demon blood. All the "I'm doing it to get stronger" excuses after the fact seemed just that, an excuse for his addiction in the same way any addict justifies what they are doing. Sigh...Chuck had it right; it made Sam look unsympathetic. Honestly, I think the case being made that a number of Sam's arcs are relinquished to other characters is valid. And also at the expense of interesting arcs that they start then drop, like the anger issues. There's a lot of play they could have had with that, but didn't. No obsessive behaviour, *shrug* Sam sorta seems like he's always searching for things, picking up new identities to try and cast off. That is interesting juxtaposed against Dean who is hyperfocused on the "meaning" of his own life, but somehow, for me, it makes Sam less compelling. I'm always thinking, oh great, here we go again, Sam found a new toy. (incidentally, I had a friend like that, one day he was a screenwriter and telling everyone he was -- a few weeks later, when he found out it was harder work than just calling yourself so, he was on to something else. It got old real fast, so perhaps I am simply too jaded to care about someone like that.) This has become less so, I think lately, except for the Chief stuff, but I'm willing to give Sam the benefit of the doubt that the AU hunters just started leaning on him that way and he simply tried to fill the role (obviously no one else in the bunker at the time could have). But, again, the fit wasn't right and it was backed away from. I suppose I should have more sympathy for Sam, because he's likely doing this because of living in Dean's shadow, but I simply find myself annoyed because I don't know who Sam IS.

Yes, it would kill him. Going into the box would mean Dean would die in a few days at best (if he doesn't die from hypothermia first and has time to die from thirst - deep ocean is cold ). the problem is once he's dead Michael is out in his very own meat suit with no owner to evict him. Cas has been using Jimmy's 'dead' body for how long? Angelic power - especially archangel power - keeps the bodies alive indefinitely with no need for a human soul to be in residence. I think if the box were to happen, a million years from now if someone finds and opens the box, Michael would pop out fresh as a daisy wearing Dean like nothing ever happened. The idea of trapping Micheal outside of a vessel is intriguing and certainly not without precedence. Demons can be affected when in their smoke form -- the Devil's gate/demon trap kept them contained. Hell, Dorothy and the wicked witch were kept in a bottle for how many years? Yeah, that would be a good way out of this mess for all involved. Unless my pet theory is the way they go where Micheal jumps into Nick and Lucifer does too and are so busy duking it out that Dean and company can shove them into the box and throw it into Mount Doom comes to pass, trapping Michael like a genie in a bottle is a good way to go.

Yeah, my post didn't come back. But thanks guys for saying what I was trying to say!

"Are you really fine?" Castiel inquires. Dean considers the truth for a second and plunges ahead, watching carefully for Cas' reaction, "I don't know Cas." The two men consider each other for a moment. Dean sees this wasn't the answer Cas was expecting and a rueful smile flashes across Dean's face. He half shrugs and continues, already knowing where this is going, "But that's what I'm supposed to say, right?" Deep in the rueful zone but not far from sarcastic. "I'm fine. Keep on moving. That's what we all say." Cas shakes his head, "No, Dean." Dean takes this in, nodding, accepting that he's got to play through now. He collects his thoughts for a second, staring into his coffee. Then, decision made, he chuckles to himself because he already knows exactly what will be said, and exactly how this will all play out and because it is Cas and Sam he knows he'll be heard, but not listened to. "This pounding, in my head," Dean pauses and his expression slides close to anger,"it never stops." His right fingers press into his forehead where the pounding is hardest. This really isn't what Cas expected, but he begins to realize he should have. "Michael's in there," relentless, Dean continues, "and he is fighting -hard- to get out." And in the freezer in Dean's head Micheal is screaming in rage, pounding ferociously on the door. "I can't let my guard down. Not for a second." Dean admits, "I'm barely even sleeping." He takes a swallow of coffee to hide the smile he can't hold back at Cas' impending reaction. "Well, that's not sustainable," Cas replies softly, concerned. Yah think? Dean bites back. "No, no. It's probably not." He quashes the remains of his smile, "But," and he half shrugs again, takes a deep breath and continues with the compulsory words, "no point in complaining about it. It's on me." He looks away, unwilling to meet Cas' gaze because he hates the way giving in to Cas and Sam again has made him feel. "No," Cas says with conviction, "it's on us, we're here to help you." Dean collects himself, shaking his head, left eyebrow quirking a bit at being forced into this inescapable conversation once again and plays along, throwing Cas a bone. "I know. I know that. And I appreciate that, I do."

You know, I had a post about how I feel like I'm on a hamster wheel running for my life with all this stuff and a lot of stuff about what is actually in the scene which I just watched after reading your posts and saying to myself 'he didn't do that?! What? Am I blind? (pro tip, no I actually did just see that the scene is actually different that what you guys wrote above about who was crying and who was not, but anyway, that was eaten and I'll never get it back. sigh)' . Anyway,my post was nearly complete and then the 'Net Posting Vacuum of Doom (tm) took it away. I officially give up. *headdeskheaddeskheaddesk* I will, however, leave you with the link I had because at least that was still on my clipboard. Wanders off contemplating which supernatural monster to commit suicide by..probably werewolf...

Well, the Advocate's feed was a disappointment. 😞 He was facing the other side of the street and with that cape, no joy on a good backside view for those interested. lol And the commentators had no idea who he was. Come on guys, you're reporters, ever heard of research? (Dicks.) But, Jensen did look like he was having the time of his life!

Link to watch the parade live, 5:15 EST https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/entertainment_life/mardi_gras/krewe_cam/article_30d41d80-3957-11e9-b6fb-e3f51717cbe2.html