FlickChick

Hi There! Great picture of Kiefer!! Yum, yum. I'm just past the middle of a re-watch of 24 on Hulu. That series was absolutely fabulous! But I digress.. Many here had the same opinion of the end of the series - that E19 could have served as a fine ending of the series. A few things happened. The final episode was originally going to go out with more of a bang except for Covid which limited their plans. But it is also believed that the showrunner Dabb wanted to make sure that he killed off the main characters. Unfortunately, instead of doing a Butch and Sundance ending that has been talked about by both Sam and Dean throughout the series, he came up with this mess. So Dabb took the longest running American genre series and gave it a forgettable (or irritating, depending on who you ask) finale. Too bad! I continue to re-watch and enjoy my favorite episodes and just forget about how it all turned out.

I guess I shouldn't have disagreed. I was under the impression that agreeing to disagree was a friendly term. No harm, no foul - just a different view. 😟

Sorry, have to disagree with you on this one. Every time I do a season/series re-watch, I skip this episode as I find it a total bore. I also have to disagree about Jensen Ackles' "hogging" the spotlight. He simply does a helluva job with any material he's given. After all, he doesn't write the script. But we'll agree to disagree.

Yes, unfortunately the writers couldn't figure how to write good drama without making the brothers' personalities change from episode to episode or be at odds with one another. But overall, it was one of my favorite series as long as I didn't let all the writers' failures spoil it for me.

I thought about warning you, but I figured, why burst your "bro" bubble. This season in general has various viewers either hating it or liking it. I saw both its good and bad sides depending on the writer or episode. Not only that, but get ready - Dean's actions in this episode will be brought up at least a few times this season. Never want to let a sleeping drama dog lie!😟

Shhh.... We're not supposed to notice those things! Also, why John now had practically shaved grey hair instead of how we saw him in the Pilot. Of course I agree with your assessment of the ridiculous question from John in the program - especially about Sam. His hair was (IMO) atrocious throughout most of the series. I really laughed at his S10 "Dutch Boy" paint can look, or was it Prince Valiant"? 😉

Does anyone know if Jensen has anything in the works that isn't voice work? I don't know if he gets asked that question at the various cons.

A very interesting question. If the series ended with Swan Song (thus the title), as filmed but without Sam standing under the street light, it would just be the opposite of Carry On, with the brother who survived being the one who died in the other episode, and going on to live a family life. Still unsatisfying IMO. There really should have been only one of two endings: 1. Both brothers dying together while fighting the good fight Butch & Sundance style or 2. Continuing to live in the bunker and either continuing hunting or training and supporting new younger hunters. Unfortunately, I believe that the finale we got was horrible along with the two previous seasons that preceded it. The entire concept of "Chuck" being God and literally "writing" their lives was quite frankly, crap. It went against everything the brothers believed or accomplished and sacrificed for during their lives. But if Dabb wanted to make a joke out of all they went through, he accomplished his mission with this viewer. So, I guess my answer is that at least Swan Song had Sam's death as a sacrifice to save the world with Dean there to support him and also make the sacrifice of losing his brother for the greater good. And both choices were then truly free will.

I mentioned elsewhere in the forum that I was very impressed with Curtis when he appeared at a ChiCon. He told us how he looked into the intentions of the character before he could formulate how he would play him. (knowing it was an ongoing part) And that he loved the character!!! Too bad our writers took less interest in how they portrayed our characters than he did in his new role.

Look at his hair! Not Dean any more.😥

One of my favorite Dean scenes in this one: "Bite me!". "Phoenix ash. One shell, one ounce of whiskey down the hatch; a little musty on the afterburn." Absolutely classic scene. Love me some smart Dean. There was a lot of conversation around about the many "mini arcs" in this season. Apparently, Soulless Sam was supposed to last longer, so I think it was back to the think tank flesh out the season.

Who doesn't love a Clint Eastwood serape in a spaghetti western? I enjoyed the episode for its costumes if nothing else. BTW, did you know that Clint Eastwood's name is an anagram of OLD WEST ACTION?

Do find a way to see "Wrath of Khan" - IMO it's the best of the original Star Trek movies with "Save the Whales" a close second. I agree about the end of the episode - it's a real heart breaker softened with Dean's forgiving words, great Ackting, and beautiful photography.

One of my favorites. I thought that the transitions of Sam/Jody and Dean/Eliot scenes were very, very well done. Yes, the ending was abrupt, but many of Supernatural's episodes end in an abrupt and strange way. Like you, I thought that all the characters were excellent in their interactions with our boys. Unlike you, I always thought that Nicholas Lea was hot in the X-Files - a character you loved to hate - in fact, I always hoped they'd give him more screen time. He did get a fitting end, though!

I don't think that Jensen and Danneel will be washing the windows. 😆