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Maybe I'm just being really Asian today, but there's nothing wrong with dreaming that your child will go to an Ivy league school. Or for your child to have a role model like Christiane Amanpour. I didn't really see Lorelai really pushing her dreams onto Rory. As dustylil said, watching The Daily Show aside, Lorelai never seemed like a "news"/jounralism person. There were instances like when Lorelai took Emily shopping for a birthday gift for Rory, that I did some oddities. The stupid purse or even those bracelets don't really scream Rory. But for big dreams or goals? They were pretty acceptable. She wasn't a Mrs. Kim, that's for sure.

I hesitate to agree with this because that'd be implying that Lorelai was a bad mother. She has her issues that make sense based on what age she was when she had her daughter and how she chose to raise her (by herself without her own parental support). However, at the same time Rory was raised in a loving home with someone who supported her interests and aspirations and wanted her near good people. Maybe Lorelai got lucky with Rory, but at the same time, maybe we see the more "friend-like" parenting style she has because that was the kid she got. Not saying there aren't issues with her parenting (who makes fun of a girl obviously nervous about meeting her grandparents who don't like her?), but everyone has lapses in judgement as a parent. Especially someone so young. There's really no such thing as a "perfect parent". Lorelai was far from perfect, but she wasn't a bad mother.

I'd also think that it's the type of situation where you don't step in until asked. If Liz lived in town, it'd be different. It seemed like Liz was a pretty shitty parent, but just not shitty enough for CPS to get involved. Though CPS probably doesn't exist in GG world. But Stars Hollow to NYC is what, 2-3 hours? And that's just far enough where getting involved in someone else's life and running your own business doesn't work out very well. You can be devoted to your family and want the best, but getting involved in their life when they don't want it is difficult. Especially when it involves, a selfish narcissist aka "free spirit" like Liz.

I think we had to infer that for Rory to be somewhat comfortable around her, they did have some "hanging out" off scenes. I have to say that I found Yale to be disturbingly white washed and it really distracted me. My brother went to another Ivy around the time Rory was at Yale and I was able to visit him and see some of his classes when I started applying later. I also toured other colleges in general. It's just not realistic and really bothered me. Let's be realistic, there was a shocking lack of Asians in GG Yale. And to have racial diversity shown, they'd just have to hire background actors who don't have to speak. But that might be because I'm Asian and really notice things like this. On the other side, I don't think I have as much of an issue with them not having racial diversity within the main cast. It's a show that's ostensibly about these 2 women and the people around them. I know if there was a show about my life, there'd be an absurd number of "all kinds of Asians" and "white people".

It didn't bother me in regards to Stars Hollow. It's a small town, I don't expect that much diversity. I think it stands out a lot at both Chilton and Yale. Rory's classes were pretty white washed as well as most of campus. I've been to Yale, that's not what campus looks like. Aside from Henry, I don't remember any non-white people around Chilton. That's weird. But Rory's best friends were an Asian-American Christian girl and a Jewish girl. She hung out with the black girl who was called Waverly on FNL. With how few peers Rory actually associated with, that's not a bad amount of diversity for her. Edit to add: The lack of LGBT (which I think started the discussion) always stuck out to me. The WB/CW had a good amount of LGBT diversity in it's shows during Gilmore Girls run. I think Willow/Tara was a thing even before Gilmore Girls premiered. And I think Jack(?) on Dawson's Creek was pre-Gilmore as well. Heck, I think all the shows I saw on WB had a major gay character at some point (except Angel). That network was all about pushing things. Anyone remember the abortion episode of Everwood from it's first season? If anything, I assume ASP was pretty tone deaf in writing a character and that's why nothing ever materialized.

Jon in DC on behalf of the 9/11 Responders. In conversation with Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio). Apparently ran into Lindsey Graham.

Yes. My cousins wouldn't name their children until they consulted a fortune teller. Our weddings couldn't have a date unless it was an auspicious date determined by one (though I just found one that worked for us via the web). I know some of my relatives wouldn't make life decisions without consulting one first. I think it's a complete waste of time and money, but I didn't grow up in that kind of environment perse.

Can I just say that I thought it was incredibly weird that Christopher decided that Logan was "alright" because of him getting kicked out of a ton of prep schools? I think that told me a lot more about Christopher than it did about Logan.

Or maybe help. Perhaps Alexis has decided to go method.

Rory didn't even know that her grandmother's name was Lorelai, so at the time when she said that, she just knew that she was named after her mom. That designation only works if the entire name is the same. But Rory's middle name is Leigh/Lee and Lorelai's is Victoria (or maybe vice versa).

They're alphabetical. Eddie, Emery, Evan.

In the unpopular opinion thread they're discussing the Pledge in Multiple languages remark by Jess. It got me thinking, what were the 6 languages it was in, 2 of which Jess has never heard of? Possibilities: English Spanish French Italian Mandarin or Canto Korean (because of the Kim's?) These are pretty common languages within the US, but as a New Yorker, I can't see Jess not hearing of any of these even if he couldn't recognize them. Languages Jess might not have heard of that could be possible: Urdu Tagalog (I know that it's considered a dialect and not the language itself, but I've heard a lot of Filipino's just say they're speaking Tagalog) Creole Sinhala Bengali Lao Tetum Pashto Honestly, it's hard to think of languages that someone as well read as he is to has not heard of. And the ones that I have listed seem pretty far fetched to use.

Keiko and the guys who play Zach and Brian (Todd Lowe and John Cabrera) are probably also done deals if they're wanted. They love Gilmore Girls and they adore each other. Also Keiko has a podcast where she watches Monk and gets drunk talking about it. So I love her and hope she's back on the revival.

Richard and Christopher were in contact somehow even in season 1. Richard brought him and his "success in California" up during the first ever Friday night dinner. The whole lot of them always seemed to be linked so I can't see Christopher not going to a potential Richard funeral. Chris was on good terms with Lorelai and Rory after the divorce (at the graduation party), if anything he'd go in support of them. Considering Jason and Richard were suing each other. Eh...though I'd love to see Jason again. He was a fun character, and even though it'd probably be a complete waste of time to bother featuring him, guilty pleasure.

Christopher would definitely come back for Richard's funeral if they have that though.

Did anyone happen to watch the show Bunheads? I know it didn't last long, but curious if ASP's ability to write continuity got better and if she's developed the ability to write a coherent storyline without sacrificing character growth/logic/a sense of reality etc... I'm excited for the Netflix revival, but ASP is such a wildcard writer.

I do agree that Luke escalating things was wrong. But as his guardian at the time, he had every right to try to keep unsavory people out of Jess' life, including the man who abandoned him at birth. You can expect someone to act like an adult, as well as trying to shelter them from potential hardships. I think everything involved with Jess failing out was dumb.

I think what I'm saying is that Lorelai should have butt out until asked. Her judgement was raining down before it was needed, as it often does. And considering how often it comes down and how judgemental she can often can be (the issues I cited previously), I don't fault Luke. In real life regardless of how well intentioned they can be, those type of people can be tiring to deal with. And really, Luke was right. Lorelai had shitty judgement as a teenager, got lucky for the most part with Rory, and had her own major parenting issues when Rory deviated from the "angel" that Lorelai made her out to be. There was also need for candor instead of candy-coating when dealing with Lorelai. Luke's apology to Lorelai came in the form of food. Danishes if I recall correctly. It's not like Luke couldn't see that Jess had issues. He also did try to address some of the problems. He bought everything possible to try to get Jess to stop smoking, forced him to help out around the diner, tried to get a tutor that he thought could get through to Jess, hid the car to make sure Jess went to school, tried to run Jimmy out of town. But it'd be impossible to force a complete attitude adjustment in someone like Jess. I'm puzzled about the truancy laws of Connecticut and what happened Jess' senior year in terms of Stars Hollow communicating with Luke. They called him in when Jess was almost failing the previous year, but nothing when Jess skipped too much school/was failing out his senior year? Odd. That failing goes to both the school and Luke.

The difference is, he went to Liz for advice. Lorelai started spouting off "parenting tips" as soon as Luke told her the situation, including basically saying it was wrong to take Jess in. And then after her first interaction with Jess she goes on about how Jess is troubled and has issues and that Jess has stormed off. Lorelai had obviously made a judgement and had shown that any advice she was or would in the future give about Jess would not be that helpful. Liz had more or less turned her life around and more importantly she was someone who could listen without being completely judgmental.

I thought there was a difference between the way Luke inserting himself into the Gilmore's life versus the way Lorelai inserted herself into Luke's life. Luke's involvement was more on the outside or even superficial. Helping fix up the house, telling them they had awful diets, mouthing off about Dean. In fact, as Dean pointed out, the entire TOWN was on him about the break up. Luke didn't really demand that much reciprocation. Lorelai was nosey, demanded information, and made herself the focal point of his life. "You're back together with Nicole, why wasn't I informed?" "You moved in with Nicole, well don't you know how that'll affect me?" "You took your awful nephew in, you're supposed to fulfill your obligations to me and Rory." While I do think Luke should have consulted someone about Jess, I don't think Lorelai was necessarily the person. Her interactions with Jess were never successful and she clearly had already formed firm opinions about him pretty quickly. I'm also surprised that upon finding out about Jess' job at Wal-Mart and later his extra shifts, Luke didn't look into how Jess was doing in school. The kid was in danger of failing the year before.

He did come back for ER twice. So... Well, since we're used to the continuity issues, maybe it'll be easier to accept. Also, feeling old, but Lane's kids will be 8 years old. Paris should have just finished her residency. Rory was covering the beginning of the Obama campaign and now he's finishing up his second term. Lorelai only ever watched The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and he's gone. This is crazy.

I'm all for Rory with a new guy rather than ending up with someone old.

Lorelai did say she went for as long as she could before she couldn't. I took it as her pregnancy made it difficult for her to continue going to school for one reason or another.

dustylil, maybe Jason and Lorelai were a good couple because they were both insensitive narcissists with one percenter parent issues.

So I know I'm one of few Jason/Lorelai fans around here, but is anyone else curious what would have happened if Christopher had entered back into Lorelai's life during that relationship? They knew each other as kids, Jason seems a lot more clever and quick than Christopher, didn't really like each other, etc...It would have been more entertaining than the Luke/Christopher interactions.