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OMG, I cannot see this show doing this. That is too soap opera-ish.

I didn't see it that way. Miguel and his friends were the ones lecturing Jack on how he should take advantage of time away from Rebecca. According to them, once the triplets were born Jack would want to get away and have a hobby like golf. Jack just simply disagreed.

I have to respectfully disagree. Jack didn't lecture Miguel and his friends, he merely told them he wasn't interested in playing golf, but would rather be home with his wife. Lecturing implies that they are wrong to not want the same thing. I also do not find his devotion abnormal. JMO

Sterling K Brown is an award winning actor who also happens to be very, very talented. It is only natural that NBC and the producers would showcase him and his character. So far it has worked story-wise, but I too would like to see more of the other characters and I think we will. A similar situation happened after the first season of Heroes. Zachary Quinto, though not an award winning actor, played the part of the villain, Sylar, so well that the show didn't kill him off like they should have at the end of the season. He also had just been cast as the young Spock in the new Star Trek franchise, so that increased his "value" and TPTB created so many unbelievable story lines for him that the show tanked.

Jack is insecure. We've seen that indicated many times throughout the season. There may not be a reason when it comes to his relationship with Rebecca, but his jealousy/insecurity has its roots in his relationship with his father. His father said he was basically worthless. If you have to hear that for 18+ years, you might believe it.

I was a SAHM for 15 years while my husband worked two jobs (his choice.) I was happy in that role, and though we may not have gone on Hawaiian vacations, or bought new cars every few years, we both felt it was the right decision. It was a mutual decision. I went to work when my youngest was 12, and continued until I retired 3 years ago. Of course I had no artistic passion that I was giving up. I may not remember correctly, but did Rebecca say, in the argument with Jack, that she resented giving up on her singing to raise her children? If she did, then I pity her.

My husband was a Viet Nam vet and went back to school after his discharge. He received around $200.00 a month for tuition. He had to work part time as I was finishing my degree the first few months of our marriage. Then I got pregnant and he received about $50.00 a month more when our daughter was born.

I think they are both flawed. I think that Jack comes off a bit saintly because his wants are very simple, to be a good husband and father. I loved this episode and think it lived up to the hype. As I've said before, I don't care how and when Jack dies, so I didn't expect him to do so in this episode. For anyone invested in the elder Pearson's marriage, this was a very important episode. After all, experts say that next to death, divorce is the most stressful experience for people. I took Jack's comment less literally, though he could have said her exact age or something along the lines of "40-something."

The creators actually wanted to have only 16, but the network wanted more. They compromised by having 18. A normal season is usually 22.

Actually several of the actors, including Milo, Mandy and Justin, in recent interviews that they know how and when Jack dies

Excellent post. I often find myself losing interest in a show I used to obsess about. I still sometimes go to their boards to read about the show, but I never post a comment.

Another honest question: many of the shows, with a few exceptions, we posters have mentioned above rarely get the recognition during awards season(s.) Why do you think that TIU has been so honored, and after only a half a season? Yes, we like what we like and I'm sure there aren't many shows that are universally loved and can pass the test of time. In todays television universe there are just too many shows and I know that I have to be selective otherwise I would be watching tv 24 hours a day.

Love Happy Valley. Loved Broadchurch. In fact I often watch British detective series. Have you checked out Vera?

I agree with the first sentence of this paragraph. I really don't care how and especially when Jack died. I do care about the fallout of his death, however, and how it has affected his children's lives. Rebecca's too, for that matter. This show is going to be around for at least 36 more episodes and the fact that Jack is no longer in the present day does not take away from his story.

I completely understand your feelings, and I acknowledge that the promo dept. is very heavy-handed in using hyperbole. I find it less annoying than amusing. Question: I've seen some posters on this thread also speak of "hate-watching" this show. Why would anyone waste their time watching a show they dislike? Just curious, not passing judgement.

I had to look up the definition of manipulation because that word is frequently used in this thread to describe this show, it's creator and the promo department. Basically it means "making people do what you want" per the Urban Dictionary. Honest question: how does one tell if they, or anyone else, are being manipulated? If I don't cry ugly, or not at all, while watching the show, does that mean I'm not easily manipulated? If one feels strongly for some scenes in this show and not so much for other emotional scenes, does that mean when they do cry, those are true feelings? I understand the heavy-handedness of some scenes in this show, but I never feel like I'm being manipulated. As someone upthread posted, with everything we watch or read we are supposed to feel. I think how we react to a story, whether on television or in a book, says more about us than it does about the show creator or writer.

I'm sorry that you've misinterpreted my post. In no way would I imply that someone "shut up." In fact, if one finds the marketing over the top, an eye roll is more than appropriate.

I think respectfully questioning someone's UO is allowed in this thread, if I'm not mistaken. We aren't all going to agree about everything in this thread, and as long as we are respectful, I don't see anything wrong with questioning someone's opinion.

I think we all process things differently and to say that those who respond with strong emotions to this show are being manipulated is unfair. Most of the posts I read on social media, seem genuine. It cannot be denied that this show has touched a lot of people. I can't see a problem with expressing emotions, whether laughing or crying. As far as the marketing goes, whatever gets viewers to watch is going to be promoted. Take it with a grain of salt or an eye roll, whatever works for you.

I guess my UO is that I don't take things literally when it comes to things like Randall saying he works 20 hour days. Obviously he is not at the office for that many hours, nor is he working at a desk at home, but mentally he might be "at his job," for more than the average work day. I know my husband, who was in sales for an international company, would often come home from the office and work at his computer until 10:00 at night. This happened because he was on the road (in his car and/or out of town) and had to do his paperwork later. I also don't find it odd that Jack would not be happy with Rebecca going on tour for 2 weeks or 2 months. The time is not the issue, IMO.

I'm going to be the odd man out and say that Jack does not die in an alcohol related car accident, but might get arrested for DUI. That would cause Rebecca to maybe want a separation or a divorce. I actually don't care how or when Jack dies, I am enjoying the story, and am not impatient about that eventuality.

Wow, you just reminded me of the reasons I hated Logan in the OS. Grow a pair, Logan!

I think they will slowly roll out how and when Jack dies. I honestly don't think we'll actually see it until late next season. I'm not at all bothered by the fact that writers are taking time to tell us that part of the story.

I'm not sure what you meant in the bolded sentence. I can't disregard my own principles when watching (or reading about) a fictional character. If I think that infidelity is wrong, I'm going to dislike that trait or action in a fictional character. I may still find it fascinating to explore the nature of such a character, but that doesn't mean I can't find their actions deplorable.

Infidelity is wrong period. Logan should have broken up with Odette if he was so in love with Rory. Rory should have broken up with Paul, and never would have slept with a random Wookie, if she was in love with Logan. It is not complicated.