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point 1. I remember a year or more ago reading an interview Jeffrey Dean Morgan (Negan on the original show) gave, and he mentioned how it's 110 degrees where his character is living (and in real life they are filming the show), yet he's wearing a thick, leather jacket. I think the actors realize that some of the things in these shows are ridiculous and unrealistic. I've often noticed the wardrobe of the zombies and the people, too - I've lived all over the nation, but especially in the south and inland states where it does and can get to 90 degrees to 120. And when it gets that hot, you don't want to wear full pants and long shirts, and certainly not with jackets. But almost all the people - even the zombies!! - are walking around these states where it gets really freaking hot in the summer and part of the fall, but they're wearing heavy clothing. I've not yet seen a zombie who is wearing a pair of shorts with a tank top, or a zombie in swim trunks or a bikini. (Or did they have one in that episode where Alicia and June had to wade through a zombie infested pool to get some supplies??) I think the show people are trying to save a buck: I bet the reason they dress their zombies in long sleeved shirts and pants is that it doesn't take as much make-up to cover their exposed skin. But it looks weird to never see zombies in the south wearing short skirts, tank tops, capri length pants (aka pedal pushers) etc. We've never seen a zombie woman in a night club in a mini skirt and high heels. edit. Almost forgot Point 2. Some of them will sit on the air plane wings. ☺️ Alicia is radio-active now, so she is probably like Captain Marvel and can fly on her own.

Yep. She has a 1980s sort of style cut. Very new wave. If she wants to keep all those sides short and that one side of her bangs oh so pointy, she'll have to find a hair salon. Someone up thread (or another one) said that the Helicopter People probably have a hair dresser.

Re: point 1. Thank you for the info. I thought she said a year but wasn't sure. It felt to me as though it took him two or three months to find her, not twelve. Re point 2: I've made it no secret on these forums that I'm a big John Dorie fan. ☺️ I don't read him as a doofus so much as a good ol' country boy with a lot of common horse sense. (I have a few family members who are kind of like him in that way - they weren't educated but weren't stupid people.) But I don't know about the character (he worked as a police officer). At some point in real life, a lot of police around the nation started requiring applicants to have bachelor's degrees. I don't know if Dorie went to college or not. I just wish the show would give Dorie better story lines. The episodes of him with Morgan were okay, and the one of him alone in the cabin where he met June (aka Laura) was excellent, IMO. Re: "Yes, it can be cute (and sickening), but the problem is you know it's NOT going to last. One is going to die saving the other." I do apologize for being repetitive on this point, as I've said this ten times over the last year on this forum, but I am hoping the show writers keep Dorie as he is (upbeat and optimistic and sweet). We already had to sit through two story arcs of two good guys (Morgan and Rick) on the original show (and kind of on this one) go through a sort of "bad guy" phase, where they become really violent, then they feel guilty about being violent and start questioning when and where to use force. Though we already had a bit of that with Dorie but it took place off -screen: he told June that before the zombie apocalypse that he had accidentally killed a man who was robbing a gas station. But I can see him going south and getting violent if a bad guy kills off June - then he'll get the Rick Grimes or Morgan story arc of losing his mind, becoming really violent, etc. Then he'll have to find a man with a goat who tries to make cheese who teaches him how to chill out with big sticks. I was relieved that the cat made it. Both shows have been horrible to animals. Horses, owls, dogs, a tiger, and more have been killed by people or eaten by zombies. It's about time they let animals survive once in awhile.

I wanted to ask - and this is even though I watched the show twice last night (you know how the AMC channel repeats a new episode 3, 4 times the same night): Did I hear correctly, did June tell Al that after June ran away from John's cabin that John didn't find her until a year later? I'm pretty sure she said "year," but perhaps I misheard. This isn't a huge deal. I was just curious. I was thinking Dorie found June within a few weeks or months - it didn't feel like an entire year to me. I agree with a lot of the comments and criticisms of the show and episode above by others. All in all, it was a pretty under-whelming episode (yet again). Such a shame - they have some great characters, good possibilities, but the story writing and/or exposition is either bland, boring, or non-sensical. I just hope going forward the show gets better. The guy who reviews every new Fear episode over at the Forbes site didn't like this episode, either. He did like a few parts of the show, but he felt there was a lot of fail, too. His criticisms of the show are usually pretty similar to what I'm thinking.

I did watch most of this episode, but I left the room a few times here and there, to warm stuff up in the microwave, so I may have missed some stuff. Alicia got radio active zombie blood splashed on her face, I did see that. Morgan went back to the nuclear power plant to talk that lady (Grace?) into leaving. John Dorie is my all-time favorite Walking Dead character (on both shows), so he was at least on tonight's show a little bit. Dwight wasn't angry at Dorie when he leveled with him that he with-held Sherry's "don't look for my anymore" note before. Not a whole lot went down in this episode. Seems like most of it revolved around Alicia trying to convince that blonde girl to get on the plane with everyone else, and fighting off zombies at that fence.

That is so very accurate ☺️

Don't know if you saw it or not, but there was an episode several eps back where John Dorie tried to build a boat out of a car camper top, but that failed. That was when he and Strand were trying to get off this island type area that had an alligator swimming around in front of it.

Point 1. You and me both! I too am confused about why they were flying around. They can't just drive around to find people? And we're suddenly supposed to believe that Al and/or Strand are also air plane mechanics and pilots? Edit. Well, if I remember right, maybe they flew way out because Max Headroom faked them out - didn't he radio them, pretending to be a guy needing rescuing, who was stranded out beyond some mountain ranges, and that's why they took a plane?? Point 2. I mentioned this earlier either on this thread or another one... I lived in Texas for over 15 years, in the south east region, and I've been through Dallas, and then, as a kid, I've been through the western part. During all that time I was in Texas, I do not recall any part of Texas resembling the state of Colorado (which I have visited in years past, and there are mountain ranges visible in CO, but not in any part of TX I've been in, so how are the folks on this show hampered by mountains?). As to the Hot Air Balloon shaped like a beer bottle. I'm glad so many on the thread found it amusing, but to me, it had that cringe-worthy, eye-rolling effect. I agree with the poster above who said that the beer balloon gag would've been more successful on Z-Nation, but on this show, it felt wrong. I appreciate some levity in these Walking Dead shows (they are usually too morose), but a giant inflatable beer bottle seems the wrong way to go about adding it - seems more moronic than funny (to me, anyway). I hope this show gets better going forward than it's been lately.

July 8, 2019- Does anyone know why AMC has not been doing "Talking Dead" after "Fear the Walking Dead" episodes for awhile now? I can't remember the last time they did one for "Fear" - maybe for the first episode of this season, which is what, season five? Or maybe the last time they did a Talking Dead for Fear was back in Season 4? Have they given a reason as to why they are no longer doing Talking Dead for the Fear show?

Ever since I first saw the Al character, I noticed her hair and hair style - a style that short and cut that precise would need regular visits to the hair salon. Also, the helicopter lady from the one show has a bob - that would need some amount of attention from a hair dresser, unless she plans on growing it out.

Years ago, I lived in Texas for a bit over 15 years, in the south east corner (and I've been up to Dallas). I don't recall the state of Texas having huge swaths of inaccessible areas, or many (or any?) mountain ranges, but this show seems to be acting as though Texas is like Colorado, with the same topography. Granted, again, I've not been all over the western section of the state (is that where they are?) except driving through it once when I was around six years old, so maybe there is terrain that could keep these people separated, but I am kind of doubting it.

This is perhaps the first time an animal in the WD universe has survived. I am an animal person, so it always makes me sad to see the animals get killed on these shows, whether they are dogs, horses, or what not. Other than this cat (I was so happy the cat made it!), only Daryl's dog (named "dog") on the original show has survived so far.

I don't understand what is going on with this show any more. I just read several scathing reviews of this most recent "Fear" episode, and the critics are not kind about it. I find myself agreeing with some of their criticisms and doubts. For awhile, Fear was doing much better than the original (TWD) show. Now, not so much. The part with the hot air balloon shaped like a beer bottle was ridiculous. I agree with one critic who said he's still not clear on exactly why they crashed a plane in the first place, why they need a plane to get back out (can't they just drive around the radioactive zombies, etc), and why is Al, who is a reporter, all the sudden a qualified pilot and mechanic??? I too find myself baffled by some of these story lines and development. As to the Charlie character (the little girl): initially I found her annoying, but she grew on me over the various episodes, she proved herself useful to the adults a few times in past episodes. But now the show has introduced what one critic called "a whole cast of Charlies. We went from one Charlie to about ten of them." (I mean, the show introduced a whole herd of new little kids.) I still love, love, love the John Dorie character, but they are either under-using him (sometimes he is not in two, three episodes in a row), or they give him boring plots. They could do so much better by the Dorie character - but they either don't use him, or stick him in goofy, ridiculous plots. John Dorie should have taken June by her hand and just gone back to his cabin by the river. They'd have television there (movies on VCR), electric power, pop corn, and fish. Some of the Fear episodes have just been so weird lately. They introduced that one character - he stole that warehouse from the group a few episodes ago - and we've not seen or heard from that guy since. However, I think the characters still want to get back to that warehouse? But why? They will have to fight that guy to win it back. Some of the episodes have felt like filler, some of them have apparently been used only to further interest in the upcoming Rick Grimes movies and don't further the plot or characters of the Fear show itself. I like the Morgan character, but I don't need to see any more inspirational speeches by him. Also, this group of people (June, Morgan, etc), are running around like do-gooders trying to rescue people, but most of those they try to rescue want to be left alone!! It's like June, Morgan, Alicia, are going to rescue people whether they want to be or not. Other than the crazy lady from several episodes ago, we've not had a proper villain type character, either, like a Governor or a Negan - or is that played out? I do not know where this show is going any more, or what the show writers are thinking. The show seems to be drifting. I watch out of habit and out of loyalty, and again, I love John Dorie. I heart Dorie, so I will tune in to see what he's up to, but that's about it.

Okay, thank you. To me, it doesn't feel as though they've been together all that long. I think at one point, they were sharing an empty school bus shortly around the time that hurricane hit their area. I'm just having a hard time fully buying into their relationship.

I can see the show writers evolving, that, though. I hope they don't. One of the reasons Rick Grimes was one of my favorites on the original show for a good long time is because he was a good guy, a Boy Scout, up until around season 4 or 5, when he became ruthless. Rick was so focused on protecting his son, that in his mind, other people became absolutely expendable. I just hope we don't get that with Dorie. I don't need or want to see a situation, where, for instance, some bad guy is holding June hostage, and the show gives us this deal where Dorie is like, how far will I go to save her? Should I spare the guy or kill him if it's to save June? I can see them going there. I hope they don't, though. Edit. I mean, I am totally fine with Dorie or Mogan or whomever using letal force if it's to defend someone else. My problem is when the show makes THAT a huge story line that drags on for a billion years, and we have to watch the good guy have a huge guilt trip over it for 20 episodes. I don't need to watch Dorie shoot a bad guy who is threatening June only to spend the next two to three seasons of the show watching him wrestle with guilt about it. Oh, I liked when John thanked June for helping him out, and he said something like, "Thank you, June Bug." I guess "June Bug" is her pet name.

I would be happy if they made John Dorie the lead character. Bringing Morgan on was not necessary, IMO. I mean, I like the character of Morgan (though I know others find him annoying), but I'd rather see more of John. Also, more screen time between him (John) and June may make them feel more like a couple to me.

He did tell the story on a previous episode about working with another cop who was also an alcoholic, and the cop friend of his got drunk and ran over a cop car with a tractor (or something. I don't recall the specifics). I don't know how realistic it is for John to be this optimistic in the zombie apocalypse, but I like it. I'm so tired of the non-stop mopey, depressed people on the other show. I still enjoy and watch the original show, but it's nice to see people on a ZA show who sometimes laugh or act goofy.

I do like the fact that FTWD interjects more humor. While I still remain a fan and watch the original, the unrelenting grimness of it is depressing and dreary. The John character is usually so very earnest that he doesn't joke around much, but he does sometimes say or do things that are light-hearted. I was surprised to see in this episode things were a little reversed between John and June. The first episode they met, he was the one being friendly, smiley, jokey, while she remained stand off-ish, but in this episode at Humbug Gulch, while she sat there joking around with him (as she was reading over a Humbug Gulch pamphlet), he remained pretty stone-faced, while she was grinning at him. I like the fact she sort of gave John a hard time about the "BROTH-el" place. She was like, "They have a brothel here?," and he was all, "It's a soup place."

I really like the John Dorie character - considering both shows, he's probably my number one favorite - and I like that he's in a relationship with June. However, I am not feeling it. I wish that I were. I'm not sure how long John and June have been together on this show by this stage - I think this show has jumped forward several times once or twice? Regardless of how much time has elapsed, most of John and June's relationship has been off-screen. When they are together, they stand apart and just chat (usually). Up until the last two, three episodes, we've not seen them engage in any (or not very much) P.D.A., hand holding, kissing, etc. They have acted more like platonic friends than anything. I'm still not seeing June's attraction to John - if she likes him, it doesn't come across that much. The first episode they met, you could see him falling for her, but she acted as though he was annoying the entire time and couldn't wait to run away from him. I never have gotten a sense she is really into him. I guess I'm the type of person who has to see the two love interests share significant screen time with the occasional PDA tossed in to fully buy into their romance feeling real. The setting for this episode was interesting - it was fun seeing John and June in an Old Western type town. Unless June gets killed or kidnapped in a future show, I'm not seeing what kind of story arc they have in store for John. If I continue to post here, I will be a broken record about this, but: one reason I like John Dorie is precisely because he is a good guy. So help me, if they turn him into an anti-hero who gets all bitter or angry (like what happened to Rick on the original show), and we have to watch him turn somewhat bad for a while, I will be turned off. I'm fine with him staying a decent guy. What happened to that kid, Charlie? I don't recall seeing her at all in the episode.

She's too large to get through the bathroom door, so someone from the apartment complex has to cut away part of the wall. I cannot imagine. If that were me, I'd seriously reevaluate my life choices and get serious about losing the weight.

To be fair to Angie, that one guy was awful - very rude - I think his name was Steve Assanti or something like that? He was mean and rude to nurses and so on. James from Kentucky was also pretty bad in his own way. He wasn't willing to do anything to lose the weight, and he was using his wife. She was falling apart.

The moment I heard that I was horrified for the daughter. The mother is, IMO, being a selfish cow. I hope the daughter wakes up and realizes it's not healthy to be that close to her mother. I hope she's able to leave.

Angie comes across as being mean, rude, and ungrateful. I'm not sure, but I think she's letting her daughter Desiree live with her, and because of that, she feels entitled to have her daughter at her beck and call? No! She needs to let her daughter live her own life, even if that means the daughter not wanting to travel with the mom to Houston or whatever. She's going to ultimately handicap the daughter if she insists that the daughter live her life for her (the Mom).

I'm unclear if Martha was injured because she allowed Zombie Jim to bite her in that episode (I think someone on the after show mentioned this??), or, If her previous gun shot wound to her neck / shoulder area got infected, but something was going to turn her into a Zombie. (Wendell or someone from his group on the previous episode shot her when she got out of the SWAT van to confront them.) Morgan handcuffed her to a car in the finale. She turned into a zombie after that and bit her arm off and got up and shambled off. After she turned into a Zombie, Morgan later put her down with his walking stick through her face (if that is what you were asking).

I've explained this on a previous thread or two, so I apologize if I sound like a broken record on this, but I really get and empathize where Crazy Lady is coming from. When my mother died a few years ago, nobody helped me through the grief (even when I reached out and asked for help, which was not easy for me to do), and people's unwillingness (including family of mine) to assist me left me shocked, hurt, and battling anger and bitterness. I also come from a family that believes asking for help is a form of weakness. In my family (the exception to this was my mother), you're supposed to be a tough guy and soldier on. In my family, you're never supposed admit to others that you're hurting emotionally or that you need help, because you're supposed to keep up an appearance of being strong. (Being vulnerable, admitting to wanting help or to having a problem, or asking for help, is viewed as weak, and therefore shameful, so it's supposed to be ignored or pushed down and never addressed.) I can totally understand how and why Crazy Lady snapped when nobody stopped to help her in her time of need, and why she associates being a zombie with being strong - because zombies are not human and have no needs.