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I'm arguing that the outline seems like a terrible ending that won't go over well. Unless the outline got important details wrong. Which is the feeling I'm getting.

Of course, our while debate centers on the ending being bad, if it's not then at least the first spinoff should do well.

It'll spread like wildfire how bad the ending is if it's as bad as the outline. And if just a small fraction of fans are needed for the spinoff to be the biggest show, is HBO doing that badly? Even a 50 percent cut would hurt any franchise. Your basicly saying that even a big cut would still be higher then anything else HBO has . I don't believe they will get into the show after the outrage if the ending is as bad as the outline. Fandom grows when shows are good, not when they are terrible. A terrible ending won't bring in new fans.

Actually it's not, if the ending is as bad as the outline says, the franchise will be known for its terrible ending, and the spinoffs won't hit off. Martin being connected might not even help if they come at him with the pitch forks. That outline will turn the fan base away.

Honestly I won't if the ending is as bad as the outline says. And I'm not even excited for that, since the night king turned out to be a joke. Episode 3 hurt my interest in that.

Itll kill the prequels and the franchise, i could also see it hyrting book sales. Assuming no pitch forks. The outline leak is a terrible ending. Might work in the book version with everything built up and filled out. And bran book version might not be as hated, but like I said multiple times, the show hasn't given a buildup, it's fine in a whole different direction then sharp turned, then sharp turned again if the leaks are true.

My thing is, Martin said he doesn't want the pitch forks and doesn't want an ending hated like lost, bran being in charge, John rejoining the unneeded nights watch, Danny dieing, etc will be that kind of ending. Any of those alone wouldn't spark an outrage, but all 3 will hurt the franchise. If the endgame was to have bran in charge, they should have built that up.

It's the lack of buildup, he's gotten one liners here and there, but overall he just stares, and add that the character is hated, it just won't go over well.

I can see it, perhaps they didn't get all the dialogue and thought bran was made king. King tyrion would go over a lot better, and he's grrms avatar.

Sunday, a few hours before we had a ton of stuff. More the reason I think the leaks is a little off.

Pretty much, though again, we are assuming the leak is completelybtrue, there could be a few details missed that change everything. For example, the leak said John kills the undead dragon, he didn't but they did fight. So perhaps bran is on the council but not king. The leaked sees him with them and thinks he is. It's strange that this is leaked and they gave friki a cease and desist and he's contradicting it. Something tells me tgeres more to all this. Not saying it's wrong, but perhaps John at the nights watch is really just with the free folk. Etc. I hear tons of complaints offline, but I didn't tell them it's supposedly leaked bran gets the throne, I'm pretty sure they'd freak out. Again though, this assumes it'll all play out this way.

The problem is it won't go over well in the show, and will be the bad ending Martin has stated he's afraid of happening, not only is the character hated, it wasn't built up. It might be his endgame, or the supposed leaks got that detail a little wrong.

Yes, but this assumes everything in the leaks plays out completely like it says, there were errors in it before, perhaps even if most of it is true there's details missing.

He might not have, it's again all assumed bran will be king. It could be just a council with him on it.

Because it's not going to go over well, and he will get backlash, it'll be d@d s fault, but the fans will be pissed if the rumored ending is true, it's just bitter, not bittersweet. They will blame Martin. This of course, assumes the rumors are true. Martin has said he doesn't want an ending that pissed everyone off, and this ending will do that.

And the franchise will die, and Martin would dodge the pitch forks. He hasn't done anything for people to accept it. He's also extremely hated, if this was the endgame, they had to build towards it. It's not bittersweet it's just bitter. Better they just have a council of equals with all the surviving characters on it.

Years ago when he said that?

Again this assumes the horrible ending is correct. He's even said fans guessed the ending correctly. I don't remember anyone guessing king bran.

He's write it better I agree, but he would know the rumored ending wouldn't go over well, so I'm not saying it's false, but I feel like he's come up with something better.

No doubt he'd write it better.

This assumes his ending is the bad stuff supposedly leaked though. Like Martin said, if the endings deal they might go after him with pitch forks.

I'd like this.

Yea, if these leaks are true they are no better than the stormcrows.

That's the issue, the writing is so bad, anything can happen.

Eh, not liking that at all.