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And thats exactly my point in this whole convo. As a writer you dont write such a heavy scene between two main characters only to ignore the aftermath and leave viewers assume it was lowkey resolved off screen. You unintentionally make it look like Oliver doesnt care for her when the scene you wrote gave the opportunity to highlight exactly the opposite. But in the show there was no pay off to such a big scene and the dynamic was eventually tainted even more despite the actors doing some decent job in the scene because the later interactions of the characters during the rest of the season were meh and Oliver wasnt shown to struggle at all with their big fight. I get that it wasnt his first priority but the show had enough time to show him sleep with Sara so im sure there was time to show him a little bit concerned with how he talked to Laurel. The way this played out,it just seemed like he didnt care at all and was only just done with her which many fans believed and hated Laurel even more after that scene. I never liked Laurel but im just saying,the dynamic was tainted a lot and every time a nice opportunity was given to highlight their care or love for each other(the so called tough love some fans claim that existed)it all fell flat because after their ugly scenes there was no pay off at all and zero struggle shown. You think there was really tough love there? Honestly.

Again this isnt about Laurel and how she is perceived by fans,or how you were fed up with her,this is about how Oliver looked based on what was presented on screen and how him showing apathy after that ugly fight and the way he talked to her at the dinner wasnt tough love but no love at all. My poin has nothing to do with whether or not Laurel needed to hear it. You simply dont treat like this someone that you deeply care about when they are in such a vulnerable state of mind. I get that fans who didnt like the dynamic(me included) didnt care at all but for those who loved the dynamic and claimed that these type of scenes were Oliver showing tough love to Laurel,my point is that there was no love at all with this type of attitude cause this is simply not how tough love works.

This scene would have appeared as "tough love" if there were following scenes showing Oliver struggling with it or being concerned with how things turned out or even regretting his behavior at dinner(this isnt about how viewers feel or whether a fan hates or loves Laurel so its not about us being happy she was put in her place or whatever,its about the show presenting Oliver a certain way when it comes to certain people and how this defines their dynamics). Whether he had a right to be frustrated at her or not,he acted like an asshole at this dinner especially considering her condition. Yet its the way things were handled afterwards that made it seem more like he was tired of her and couldnt care less. As a writer you dont just write such a "heavy" harsh scene only to ignore the aftermath and "resolve" it later with a lame scene that viewers wont even remember. Yes Oliver told her things she needed to hear but then he left and didnt even bother to deal with it afterwards(its like this scene had an affect on Laurel but not on Oliver who, from what i recall ,moved on completely ). When people are sick ,they are the ones that fist and foremost need to understand they need to get help. Thats true. However when people we care about get sick(like her drug addiction) we dont abandon them even if we are harsh at times. We dont just wait for them to get better,we help them until they get better. Even when it gets ugly and even when we are forced to be harsh on them. After 2x14 Oliver didnt seem to bother at all with her and only did when she approached him first. Yes she was mainly responsible for getting better but Oliver acting like this in this scene and showing apathy afterwards was not love at all because thats not how someone acts when they care for a person who is in such a mental state probably at their lowest point of life.

Yeah he was an asshole knowing that she had a drinking problem and yet acting like this while dating her sister in front of her. Not gonna lie,this type of scenes can provide the opportunity for nice angst betweem two characters but since this is arrow and the writers only manage to taint dynamics by writing scenes and giving them almost zero pay off instead of building to something meaningful and cathartic,it eventually came off weird and ruined this dynamic even more(as if the toxic background and the anti chemistry werent enough). After this episode, Oliver and Laurel were almost strangers for the most part of s2 and eventually the few scenes they shared towards the end of the season were mediocre at best(both writing and acting but i blame the writing for the most part) and instead of having the viewers feel like this dynamic was being honored by giving a nice closure to the fights and the "ugly" tension they had in 2x14,it seemed more like the writers moved on, ignoring what could and should have been a nice way of highlighting the dynamic between these two characters. In orther words,what im trying to say here is that i think the script unintentionally made it seem like Oliver didnt care at all for Laurel because he abandoned her at the lowest point of her life with zero struggle being shown after 2x14 thus pushing the idea that he couldnt care less about her. They did give a cheap closure to their seasons 1-3 storyline in 4x05 but that was just a filler episode and didnt seem meaningful at all since after that their dynamic was almost non existent up until the episodes towards Laurel's death that they suddenly became besties,talking about personal stuff out of nowhere.

She was literally begging for them to reply negatively so she could cry about how awful the olicity fandom is. She wrote about 15 ships on her "article" yet she only used the olicity hashtag to gain traffic and draw attetnion. Her tweet had 0 likes for 20 hours in a row and once olicity fans started replying to her thus giving her importance, she suddenly started getting likes and RTs from Westallen and Laurel fans who stalk olicity accounts. Sometimes apathy is the best way to deal with these type of people.

His comment kinda proves to me that the 100th episode wanted to push this exact idea,no matter how much of an alien induced dream it was. Taking into consideration Davids comment about how people can have both Olicity and Lauriver(not his exact words),i strongly believe the 100th was meant to fan service a specific group of people,to please them in a way without even making their ship endgame. It did however make them more vocal and fed the idea that L/O were meant to be. Very typical for cw to ship bait fans even after characters die. lol

This guy Russ needs to stop using olicity for clickbait. He doesnt get to talk about Olicity being toxic considering he is a GA/BC fanboy. Worst part is Guggie values this guy's opinions judging by his twitter account.

Thats a fine example of someone who doesnt give a frack about the show and whats presented on screen and wants their comic canon ship forced no matter what. Id suggest these comic canon shippers go and read a fanfic about Lauriver insted of asking for dellusional and irrational headcanons to be made into show canon(The irony is that these are probably the same people that jump to scream "soap opera" and "fanservice" whenever the show writes for olicity,a show canon established dynamic since season 1).

The arrow spoiler tv people were always in favor of KC so i wasnt surprised by his boring Qs about BS and the lame love triangle.

I didnt count them but saw a tweet saying there were 5 Qs asked. Very few.

Well its not like people got to ask questions.

Why are some people saying on around the internet that the season finale is leaked? Does anyone know anything?

Well,that doesnt make him less of a biased comic fanboy. He will defend his fave dc shows no matter what.

He is no genius. More like a very biased comic fanboy that pretends to know stuff and end ups sharing a similar mindset with those he is criticizing. p.s can someone tell me how i can delete a post of mine? I mean is there a way?

^^^ exactly

I dont think this person has any real data revealed to him and that he isnt just a comic book fan that has talked once or twice with certain people but you of course can fell free to trust his words even though he fails to back up any of his claims.

I dont know whats your point here. That arrow isnt doing bad because other DC cw shows are also having bad ratings? Cause to me this drop in these shows mainly reveals that they are no longer selling as they used to and that the dctv era is coming to an end,which was expected considering how fast many of these type of shows were created. Apart from the fact that a 33% drop is not the same as a 23% drop,just looking at those numbers shows that these shows are losing fans. Again my point is,are we supposed to believe that suddenly people who watch flash, arrow and lot decided to stream them instead of live watch them? Isnt this a thing that happens the last 5-10 years anyway? Why are people only mentioning it now ? To justify how ratings drop means nothing? Seems like a desperate attempt of some to diminish arguments about how arrow is no longer selling as much. How is this poster talking about how more people are binge watching arrow? Where are the numbers backing it up? Or can anyone really just go out and claim they know stuff ? I know that in most sites i visit arrow has dropped in both download numbers and views. And i know that arrow is not making the social media lists anymore as it used to. It simply doesnt create as much buzz. Anyone who pays a little attention can see that. Then again,i can talk about what i see in free sites i visit since im not cliaming that i have seen actual never seen before data regarding its online streaming. IM finding it hard to believe that contrary to what i see around,arrow is indeed having more online views for this season. And i dont understand how this poster can already talk about arrow views going up when s5 hasnt even been available on the most popular streaming site,Netflix. Is he seeing the future too? Arrow is being binged watched since season 1. It was binge watched in s4. Yet ratings for most part were steady back then. From end of s4 to end of s5 ratings kept dropping. A lot. Same happened with the plus 7 rating numbers. A logic assumption would be that this kind of drop would translate into online views drop. Especially since the show is no longer fresh ,its in its 5th season. I say logical because the idea that people just now decided to stop watching live and binge watch instead is simply stupid. So again,the question is,why are people always talking about how arrow is doing well in online streaming as a way to justify how ratings drop doesnt mean it is losing popularity? Cause im pretty sure thats what the poster implied. Feel free to check his account and convos with other people.

I'm sorry but this poster is trying to claim that ratings don't reveal much about a show and whether a show is actually good but then the same person implies that just because arrow sells online, it doesn't suck. We all know online streaming is getting more and more powerful by the time. Still the point remains. Arrow has dropped a lot in ratings since 4x15 and that possibly translates into general lack of interest regarding it. Unless we are to assume that just this year so many people decided to not watch it live and stream it. Which makes zero sense. Where's the proof that they went up though? Cause ratings dropped so unless online views went up A LOT, people rightfully claim that arrow Is no longer selling as much. This poster claims that ratings don't reveal much about a shows quality and then proceeds to use the possibility of online views not going down to justify why arrow doesn't suck as a show. Logic lost. I'm pretty sure, based on his original point(the he contradicts on his own tweets) whether arrow sucks or not won't be decided by either ratings or online views. So he can't demand proof that online views went down as a way to shut down claims that arrow decreasing on ratings means it sucks. He is contradicting his own arguments. However, people can rightfully say that arrow is no longer as popular as it was, based on its individual ratings drop percentage. And I'm pretty sure a show on its 5th season that has such big drop in ratings from one season to another, won't increase on its overall online views. But anyone feel free to provide data that proves otherwise.

Probably both. That being said,a drop percentage for a show individually from year to year but also throughout the season will probably translate into drop in streaming numbers too. Especially if a show is not relatively new.

Well,i find it hard to believe that both Chris and Melissa had work to attend. lol

Why are they all going? Im confused,is it a DC thing they have to do as part of their contracts and network PR? If so,interesting how i havent heard anyone from the arrow cast going.

Melissa was literally the biggest draw for this event after stephen. She sold ALL her photo ops and all the duos/group pics. Guess Emily just became the biggest name after stephen in this con. lol

This is so funny cause eventually thats pretty much what their convo will end up being about.

I still think the cliffhanger is a flashforward to Oliver being revealed as the Green Arrow to the world.

Matt is literally the last person i would value when it comes to tv show critics. He represents a very specific group of viewers and his social media attitude is even worse than his opinions on tv.