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After sitting out for five weeks too. What were they doing all that time? We know Felicity was pulling all-nighters looking for Cayden and Oliver was going out as GA. But the most anyone from NTA seems to have done in that time is Dinah doing her job/the paperwork for the bad guys Vince dropped off at SCPD? Dinah said she hadn’t been BC in 5 weeks - did Rene or Curtis mention anything about being WD or Terrific in that time? No, right? Rene hasn’t even found a day job. And then after finding out about the team of villains, NTA basically whined.

Same. It made me hate Oliver. I still can’t get over him defending her or him in 515(?) to Felicity and Thea.

Oh, same. I wonder if they want it to be a surprise moment and they’re just doing a horrible job setting it up. (I do have to say that I’d be happy if Dragon never becomes more than what we see now.)

I could see Vince killing Cayden and then Dragon taking advantage of the lack of leadership to try to take over. And maybe that’ll be when they start writing him as something other than a random thug with a name from the comics.

Bringing over from the 6x10 thread: Especially with Thea back and the reminder of her being Speedy and the mention of Roy in 609 and him returning in 615. I don't get making the newbies so unlikeable and having one of them betray Oliver around the time they're reminding us of former team members who could be trusted and bringing back a guy who gave up pretty much everything for Oliver. Roy is back in 615. Nothing I'm seeing in promos or reading in (even these awfully generic) episode descriptions is telling me that I'm going to stop hating the newbies by 613. I doubt anything will change my mind two episodes later.

Hey, question: Dinah's still the only one who knows about Vince's healing abilities, right? I didn't forget her telling the others, right? So, hmm, she's keeping something from everyone for what, months now (?), and has a problem with Felicity and Diggle taking a day to tell them about the bug in the bunker? I feel like anyone possibly going up against him in the field - as Dinah now knows applies to pretty much all of them - should know that "hey, this guy can heal, so, uh, don't think he'll go down so easily."

Every episode description just makes me want to see the newbies beg on their knees to be let back on the team when this is all over. And for OTA to go, "Hmm, we're going to have to think about that" and make them sweat. Isn't 613 possibly ME's last episode or close to it? Really not looking forward to Dragon possibly taking over as leader of the villains because they're doing such an awful job at making him seem like anything more than some random thug who just happens to have a name. I think that's a problem with this team of villains - ME obviously stands out as Cayden, BS is going around wanting to kill everyone and is E2 LL, Vigilante got some material in 610, we already know Anatoly and Dragon is ... just there?

They're being used to basically keep her and Oliver from interacting. I'm waiting for him to use a parachute one on her to fly her away before they can be in the same frame. "Oh no, they're within 10 feet of each other, let's send her to the other side of the city."

You know, I'm hoping since they had the whole "Oliver reaches out, newbies refuse to come back scene" that it means that from now on, it'll be up to the newbies to apologize/grovel/beg on their knees to return. I doubt it, but I can hope. Also, I can't help but wonder if they think it's enough that the newbies are all masks to have people on their side. And I still can't get over how much I can't stand Curtis anymore. Especially since we see that anyone can use Curtis' T-spheres at a computer anywhere, so why exactly does the team need him in the field? They don't. They don't need him at the computers either because that's Felicity's domain. So where does that leave Curtis? Being annoying?

Or even talk to Oliver about Earth X Lance. And Earth X Oliver. "So, Quentin, let's chat about what our Earth-X versions were like. Then we can talk about Earth-2's Laurel."

OTA is back and OTA is all that we need. I didn't think it was possible for my hatred of the newbies to grow as much as it did in this episode. I was wrong. Send them to another city, to another Earth, just get rid of them. Their attitudes are pissing me off. Curtis is probably the worst out of them too with his whole "nope, don't like that we're not all on the same level, how dare you trust your wife and brother more than us" thing. While I'm glad Diggle can get back into the field, I don't like that Curtis helped even though it makes sense that he did. (That's where I am with my hatred of Curtis. I even hate it when he does things I know he should be the one doing.) Black Siren likes to kill. She wants to kill. That's pretty much all there is to her character, which is why it looks like her scenes with Lance in 609 are part of Cayden's plan. So, Thea, Lance, no, don't waste any time or energy trying to find any bit of good in her. (Mainly because I don't want either of them trapped in that kind of storyline when we barely get enough of either of them - especially Thea - as it is. I kinda wish there was surveillance of BS telling Thea she'd put her in a coma again because maybe they'd let this stupid idea go.) I might not totally hate Vigilante anymore after this episode? I feel like they did a decent job of setting him up as infiltrating Cayden James or at least making us think he has - his scenes with Dinah, him saying he wanted to talk elsewhere when she confronted him and Cayden's concerns about him. At least in a better way than any possible redemption arc for BS. Dragon is ... a thug. That's pretty much it. And again, I hate the newbies more than I did before, to a degree I didn't think was possible.

You know what? Helix HQ should belong to Felicity before Curtis. Because I'm hating the newbies that much right now. Get out, newbies.

SHUT UP, CURTIS!

All I have to say is that if Vigilante is actually not Team Villains! but has infiltrated them ... I might end up not hating him as much as I hate the newbies?

Dragon continues to disappoint. They're not really giving him much.

Didn't he say he wanted to go somewhere else? Maybe he knows Cayden's watching him?

Black Siren: "Let me kill. I want to kill. That guy should be killed. Kill, kill, kill. Death, death, death."

The FBI has hard copies. They're smart. I'm shocked, guys.

Uh, Diggle, after the newbies' attitudes when you just talked to them? Nope.

Now the only way I want this team split to end is for OTA to take the newbies to the city line and tell them they're not even welcome in their city. There are plenty of other cities that could use some masked help. There are even other Earths. Just ... go elsewhere.

Well, all that scene did was make me hate the newbies more.

I feel like this "sharing intel" is going to be OTA tells the newbies about the team of villains, the newbies whine and ... that's it. Yes, this Laurel is that bad. Yes, she is a psycho.

I'm kind of amused at how they're basically doing everything possible to avoid any interaction between Oliver and Black Siren. Essentially gag her so she can't scream or talk. Have Oliver fly out of there when she's heading in his direction.

1) Don't talk about the team in City Hall. 2) I think Thea's one of the few people who's worn a mask to ever take a realistic time to recover in the Arrowverse.

I don't hate Dinah/Vigilante here? I don't think?