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I wonder if we'll get a long producer's preview tomorrow like they put up for The Flash today. I already never want to hear that question/see William pointing again and the premiere hasn't even aired yet. It will probably be the official sneak peek the CW releases premiere week too. I wonder if anyone in SCPD is going to be wondering why someone who looks like Laurel - since she was there at least a few times - is blowing up the place. Or maybe all the cops who knew E1 LL will just so happen to not be around when BS shows up. Or they just won't address that.

Happened to turn on the CW during a commercial break, caught a new promo. No one new off the island, but I think I saw the elevator in the bunker exploding out and BS in SCPD?

It does sound like that may be how they're going to want it to come across, but I do wonder if that's just how they're going to want us to see it. Remember, we were supposed to hate Thea's mini-Moira-ness last season and she had to leave town to think about what she did.

All I know is if for any reason, Dinah's BC fails, that should be the end of any and all BCs on Arrow. That being said, I'm going to wait to see how this begins to play out on screen because we have experience of things WM says in interviews not happening onscreen.

Maybe they should just have a reporter ask about William during a press conference and have Oliver very seriously answer, "What do you mean he hasn't been here this entire time? You just never noticed him. He definitely did not just suddenly appear in my life. I definitely did not take time off last spring, leave town at the same time that every person I know went missing and return with a pre-teen kid (and my comatose sister*). Oh, and remember, Star City was not attacked last May. That was all me. Next question." *assuming we're right to think Thea's in a coma

Not until spring. It's an annual event! (Don't worry, no one will tell Myson not to talk to strangers before then.)

My guess is they'll just have EBR and DR crash SA's panel for a bit. It might also depend which other Arrow actors end up going to Atlanta. So far, Looks like KL is the only one listed, but Robbie Amell is the only one listed for The Flash and CL is the only one listed for LoT, so who knows how they'll do the panels. (I'm not factoring in JB since he'll likely have his own panel.)

Yeah, I got confused when Laurel was brought up just at all. But I will say that other than that, it's an article that needed to be written and I'm all for more articles like this, especially if maybe MG sees at least one of them and reconsiders his plans for a BLM episode.

I don't think I've ever been a fan of these "this season/fall/etc. on the CW" promos, and this one has not changed my mind. They never make me excited for the shows I do watch and they don't make me want to check out the shows I don't.

I like the idea of the crossovers. However, the One Chicago shows clearly handle crossovers - major and minor - so much better. And that's affected how I look at and judge other shows' crossovers. So while I'm looking forward to this year's crossover somewhat - especially to see how the other Supergirl characters fit in and meet everyone - I am prepared to be disappointed. There are just too many characters between the four shows to it to not feel crowded and for some characters to not be left out. And it also has to do with timing. It was an awful idea to have the 100th part of the crossover. They should have planned around that and scheduled the crossover earlier/later because they clearly knew it was coming. And this year, the crossover is after the two Slade episodes. And with the plan to seemingly make the crossover seem like a 4-hour movie between the two nights, I feel like it's going to feel very stand-alone? Which after the Slade episodes and before the mid season finale might not be a good thing?

I'm excited to see Roy again. (Let's just never have him, Ray and Rory in the same episode? I feel like the typos when discussing that episode would be ridiculous.) I wonder if we'll know about WH's episode count for the season sooner than we did last year. Maybe after the premiere? Hopefully? I fear that happening and I really hope it doesn't after we had to deal with O/L in the 100th. Let that be the last time we have to deal with that pairing. Although, with Dinah officially BC this season, it might not happen because they'll probably want to firmly establish her as the show's BC. Maybe they can have an Earth where Dinah is with a Lance - Quentin or not - since I don't think they're going to do that on this Earth. (Imagine if they hear a Dinah Lance is BC on another Earth and surprise! It's Dinah Drake, not Laurel.) Hopefully they decide to keep KC as BS only to make sure people see BS as a villain since that's clearly the story they're telling with her as BC's villain.

My thoughts: 15. DOESN'T NEED: WILD DOG I will say that I would have agreed if we didn't get a better Rene starting with 509ish. And while I think the team is big enough, if we're going to lose one, I'd rather keep Rene over Curtis. That being said, my opinion could change depending on what we get in S6. But for now, I no longer mind him. 14. WANT BACK: RA’S AL GHUL No. Let's leave it at that. (Although I did like him more on LoT than Arrow.) 13. DOESN’T NEED: DINAH DRAKE I'll agree we don't need her, but I do like her and think they did a good job with the B team as a whole at the end of S5. And I'll take her over Laurel as BC if there must be one. 12. WANT BACK: LAUREL LANCE No. Death has to actually stick on this show, especially since they were so adamant that the S4 death was going to stick. 11. DOESN’T NEED: GORILLA GRODD For an episode or two, Grodd is fine and I am interested in the LoT plans. But not anything beyond one or two appearances across the Arrowverse in a season. So since we're getting Grodd on LoT, no Grodd on The Flash please. 10. WANT BACK: MAXWELL LORD I don't particularly care? If they have a good story, yes. If not, I don't miss him. 9. DOESN’T NEED: RIP HUNTER Completely disagree. He's Arthur Darvill. There is always a need for Arthur Darvill on my TV screen. And I do like Rip. Plus, I really want him to meet Team Arrow. It's something I've wanted since season 4 even though I'll probably never get it. 8. WANT BACK: ROY HARPER YES. ALWAYS YES. 7. DOESN’T NEED: JOE WEST Again, completely disagree, only partly because of my love for Jesse L. Martin. I've had my problems with Joe at times, but I don't think I'm ever going to want him gone. 6. WANT BACK: CAPTAIN COLD Maybe? I like him, but he's popping up enough that I feel like I'm okay with what we get. 5. DOESN’T NEED: JAMES OLSEN I wish I didn't agree with this. One of the things I want most for Supergirl is a good storyline for James. I'm iffy on Guardian and I feel like they just don't know what to do with James. 4. WANT BACK: HARRISON “HARRY” WELLS (EARTH TWO) Yes. I hated HR, which was hard to do because I love Tom Cavanagh. 3. DOESN’T NEED: CLARK KENT Disagree. I think they used Clark relatively well, and I don't think they have any plans to change that. So let him come back for an episode or two again. 2. WANT BACK: CAT GRANT Yes, but perhaps on more of a recurring basis? Give me Cat for at least 10 episodes throughout the season. There was not nearly enough Cat last season, but I'm not sure she's needed on a regular basis anymore. 1. DOESN’T NEED: IRIS WEST No, we need Iris. We just need them to do better when it comes to her.

It's simple: her name is Laurel Lance. That's all that matters. If Laurel had had another name and Dinah Drake was the first BC with a comic book character name, no one would ever talk about Laurel again.

I just don't think Arrow is the kind of show that should be doing those types of episodes. He should have learned from 513, not gone, "hmm, what topic can we tackle next to unite the fans in going, 'dear god no'?"

That doesn't mean William's in those episodes necessarily. Could just be a few conversations between Oliver and Slade about being a father. And maybe a scene with Oliver and William to end 606.

E2 versions of the characters won't fix the anti-chemistry problem with SA and KC. And reminding the audience of that while highlighting SA and EBR's chemistry with Olicity back together would be a horrible idea.

So crossover wedding and then some sort of separation - not necessarily a divorce - by the spring?

Actually, all we know is that Earth 2 thinks he's dead, right? That being said, I don't think E2 Oliver is Vigilante or we'll ever see him. He may be the one case where no body doesn't mean not really dead/could pop up at any time.

Yeah, Dinah's BF is definitely a real possibility. Really, I'm just going to be shocked if her BF is actually dead and doesn't pop up again (whether he's Vigilante or not), especially with her getting a LI this season. And the "very close connection to one of our series regulars" has put Pike pretty low on my list. (Unless they consider his connection to Lance "very close"? I don't think it is/should be.)

Everything's okay when Laurel does it! Also, I don't get why just because E1 LL was a certain way (ignoring the blackmail and everything), E2 LL should be able to take her place as BC? You know what? I'd love for E2 Tommy (or anyone but E2 Oliver) to be the love of BS' life, just because I'd love to see how the fans waiting to see E2 Oliver and BS flashbacks react. Imagine if they were only acquaintances through Tommy or something. Or never knew each other at all. Oh, imagine the articles we'd get.

And replacing Dinah with Evil Laurel would totally be fine too! KC liked it? Ouch. Does BS even want to respect Laurel's legacy? I really hope people aren't taking the "replace me" line from the finale as an indication that she wants to be on the team. Nothing we've seen from BS indicates that. Does no one remember that she's said she wishes she could hear her victims scream? Doesn't exactly sound like someone who would rather help people than hurt them.

Remember MG's responses on Tumblr about Felicity in 513?

https://www.tvfanatic.com/2017/09/arrow-can-black-siren-respect-laurels-true-legacy/ I really hope we don't have to deal with articles like this all season.

I'm pretty sure this is the only reaction to have to that. (Hey, I think I've found something everyone who watches Arrow will probably agree with!)

I do and I don't hope it involves Noah. I do because I really want more Tom Amandes/more of Felicity and her father. I don't because I don't want it to be something they'll drop if they can't get him back. Now, if it can be something they can still do without him but can use him for if they can get him back, great.