Orbert

We finally found it on YouTube, searching Graham Norton Complete Episodes. It was broken into 4 or 5 parts (each with ads you cannot skip). But it seemed to be the whole show, perhaps even unedited for U.S. airing.

It was definitely a play on The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. It seemed a bit odd to name an episode of a Star Wars series after that, but it did fit perfectly, which is why I chuckled.

Just chiming in to say that as someone who didn't watch any of the animated content, I found this whole series a bit boring. Lots of references to things that many viewers knew but most didn't, Ahsoka being serene and stoic (and boring) most of the time, lots of characters with agendas we don't understand and honestly were never really explained. It was okay, and from what I understand, it's a worthy follow-up to Rebels and The Clone Wars, but that was all lost on me. And as many predicted, nothing was really wrapped up, either. The title of this episode got a chuckle out of me, though. Well, the kind of chuckle that's also a half-groan.

No panic here; I was just musing a bit on the fact that we got cliff-hangers for every prior season, but this one really didn't feel like one. S1 ended with Guillermo discovering he has Van Helsing blood. S2 ended with him actually slaying a theater full of vampires and declaring "I am Guillermo de la Cruz!" S3 ended with the weird Baby Colin Robinson creature being "born" and S4 ended with Guillermo asking Derek to turn him. Each of those made me think "Whoa! Where will this go?" But then it was pointed out that this one really felt more like a wrap-up of sorts, a not-bad place to end the series if it turned out that way. There were even a handful of cameos (the Djinn, the Necromancer, Topher) and appearances by The Baron and The Sire. So I find it interesting that the writers knew there was a S6 coming, and this time chose instead to not go the cliffhanger route. I suppose there's Derek who's now a zombie rather than a somewhat lame vampire.

Ah, that's good to know. So often, you can tell that season finales are written so that they could also be series finales, in case they don't come back. It must be nice for the writers to be able to go "full cliff-hanger" if they want, though they didn't this time.

I hadn't thought in terms of this season finale being a good series finale, but it does make a certain amount of sense, for the reasons you and others have given. These days, I tend to hold off on even watching a series until it's completed, because it's such a pain when you get invested in a show and it gets cancelled prematurely. But I loved the movie WWDITS and the TV series hooked me pretty much immediately, so I've been on board for as long as they managed to keep it going, and just happy to get whatever we get. Some of the earlier season finales left me wondering where they'd go next, and how, but this one had a bit of "wrapping up" feel to it.

I think if you watch this show, you just have to accept that a fair amount of bizarre and/or unbelievable stuff is going to happen. This season especially, it seems that they've really decided to push things.

True, but I'm thinking about one scene where Spock just backhands Kirk, and Kirk goes flying across the room, or into a console or something. That wasn't even martial arts; that was just brute strength. I seem to recall that Spock and Kirk got into it a few times, and each time Spock easily came out on top. And he's only half Vulcan.

In TOS, Spock easily took out any human that he fought, so the idea was that Vulcans are generally physically superior to humans. Romulans and Vulcans have a common ancestry, so presumably (?) they are also physically superior to humans.

"Hello, Dali" cracked me up.

I watched this one and kept thinking I shouldn't like it, being the hardcore TOS fan and general Trekhead that I am. Spock's DNA was rewritten, but his memory wasn't erased. He should remember how he was before, how he acted; they shouldn't have to teach or re-teach him how a Vulcan acts. But it was hilarious and I found myself laughing even if I thought it didn't make much sense. The clichéd overbearing mother-in-law (-to-be) and the whipped husband, please just shoot me now. But Sevet was awesome. He's figured out how to live with T'Pril and stay sane, so good for him. Bacon-wrapped Vulcan hors d'oeuvres? Sure! What? Oh, yes dear, of course you're right. T'Pril's bitchiness gave others a chance to stand up to her, and shine while doing it. Also, it kinda led to Amanda and Spock's scene at the end, which was great. The way everybody worked together, each using the skills they have, to help Spock get through this very important event (and succeeding!) was amazing. Uhura's communication expertise, Erica's "I fly the ship; prepare to not die", everybody going all in. I kept thinking that it was all for naught; we know that in TOS, T'Pring ultimately rejects Spock and chooses Stonn. But it was still great to watch. TOS had the occassional lighter episodes, as did TNG. Sometimes I forget that. This was a fun episode. Somehow they took something very serious, made light of it, and it still all worked.

Because for many years, TOS was all there was. When TNG came along, it made an effort to be consistent with TOS canon and lore. It wasn't always 100% successful, but the effort was there. Since DS9 and Voyager were in the same "universe" as TNG, that concept carried over. It was only with the later Trek and JJ movies that the idea that there are multiple timelines even came up. SNW seemed to be trying to fit into the prime timeline at first, but we're seeing more and more deviations. And sometimes half the fun is pointing them out.

I'd love to see Captain Marvel make an appearance and show that she actually does care about her home planet. It seems like something that they would have had a hard time keeping under wraps, but I suppose anything's possible. Not much to add that hasn't already been said. After last week's "fake out" death, it would be too cheesy to do it again, so Talos is probably gone. I remember a line from an early trailer for Secret Invasion with Fury saying that this is something he has to do alone, and I remember thinking that that's getting really old, the lone wolf thing, "I gotta do this by myself". But it turns out that he has to do it alone because they killed Maria and Talos, and Rhodey's a Skrull, and so's Mrs. Fury for that matter, so there's no one left to help him. I generally hate it when someone's death is used as a plot device or "motivation" for another character, and they're just piling them on here. Bleah. Super Skrulls. More bleah. This show had a lot of potential, and it's not a total disappointment, but it's not up to the level I was hoping for, either.

I want to see a reboot of the Space Hippies episode, just so Spock can join them in the jam session.

A Knight's Tale was my introduction to Rufus Sewell, so I will always see him as Count Adhemar. Since then I've seen him in other things, and he's always very good, but he's always "Count Adhemar, but mostly good" or "Count Adhemar, but a spy this time", or...

I joked to Mrs. Orbert that it seemed like a blatant attempt to get us to like "new Kirk". And it was working! Yeah, he still seems more like Jim Carrey trying to act like William Shatner acting like James T. Kirk (and failing, because there really isn't any Shatner in this version) but oddly, as the episode went on, I got more used to him and found myself rooting for him. And yeah, this was obviously SNW's "City on the Edge of Forever" but different enough that I could accept it as an homage rather than a rip-off. I'm sure others will see it differently. The kiss? I didn't think it was earned, but Mrs. O pointed out that this is Kirk. He gets the girl, period. Ah yes, that's right. Okay, fine. I also didn't think her breakdown at the end was really earned, but what the hell. They'd been through a lot together the past few days, and it wasn't just that "her version of new Kirk" was gone, it was the release after all the shit she'd just been through. So I guess that was okay, too. Overall, I don't know if it was a truly good episode, but I enjoyed the ride.

As we become more familiar with the characters, we get used to their little quirks which might have annoyed but now are just part of the characters. I'm constantly impressed by the commitment to the characters by all of the actors. There's often half a dozen or more of them on screen, and they always respond to things in character, whether it's a throwaway line like that or just an expression or physical reaction.

The closed captioning for this show drives me crazy. I use CC for shows like this where there are a lot of names and terms I don't know and the people tend to speak very quickly, but a lot of times the captions don't match what they're actually saying. I don't mind omitting the occassional F-bomb, but sometimes they're just paraphrasing what's spoken on screen, and I guess that's okay because if you can't hear at all, you don't know. But it throws me off and I replay the last few seconds in my head trying to match things up, which causes me to miss the next several seconds... and eventually I have to just back up and watch the scene again.

Okay, I give up. What is "The James Bond Clause"? If there was some reference to it during the episode, I missed it.

There's a website that I was using as a reference for the episode broadcast order, once we learned that some of the early episodes were broadcast out of order, and this same site had listed the "two-hour season finale" after Episode 13, which was this most recent episode. So someone got things mixed up, which is why I don't link or refer to it here. It also lists the title of Episode 13 as "It Was The 80's" and still has it that way, even though the episode has been broadcast and we now know the actual title. Edit: It looks like they removed the "two-hour season finale" placeholder and now refer to Episode 13 as the season finale.

I agree. That didn't feel right to me at all. Any variation on "you can tell me; so-and-so said it was okay" always reminds me of the mom/dad thing. Too easy to lie, too easy to play one against the other. On the other hand, it's easy enough to verify later, and the consequences are far worse than a kid getting grounded. If it turned out that she lied and Billie hadn't said that, there would be hell to pay. So you believe it because there's no way she would lie about it; the stakes are too high.

That last scene was really something. She comes home after a completely shitty day and just needs a good f*ck. Hal sees this and has fully embraced his role as "the dutiful wife". He knows that look. Without a word, they both sit on the bed and start undressing. Perfect. Hal knows a lot of people, has a lot of experience, and in general would be a great supportive spouse. He's figured out that he can still do a lot behind the scenes, and without the stress of being the one in the spotlight. Ganon is an asshole, but Rayburn is an idiot if he listens to him. Obviously that meeting didn't go the way Kate would have wanted, but I don't understand why Rayburn even listens to Ganon.

Speaking of Angie not enunciating clearly, there was a scene near the beginning of the episode where Angie said "Captain Mitchell" but mumbled it so it sounded almost like "Kevin Mitchell". And the closed captions said "Kevin Mitchell". Wait, what? She was talking to Evelyn, the former Captain Mitchell. I always assumed that closed captions were done from a script, provided by the network or something. Are they actually done by just someone sitting there transcribing everything they hear, even if what they heard doesn't make any sense?

Angie did tell Betty that she just needed to take care of this one thing and then she'll leave Will alone. I forget her exact wording, but Angie knew she was bad for Will and she felt bad about it, which is why she planned to leave after she took care of Lenny. She probably also knew there was a good chance that she would end up in prison herself, but that's a chance she was willing to take (you do what you have to do) and either way she'd be out of Will's hair at that point. After Crystal stabbed Lenny and Angie shooed them out of there, I actually laughed when Angie was talking to Lenny's corpse. Something like "This isn't how I'd planned it, but you're dead now you piece of shit, so... good."

I think it's because a lot of the Mandalorians aren't actually from Mandalore, but are foundlings brought into the tribe from other planets. Din Djarin was a foundling. So they have different accents because they're from different places.