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It also kind of walked back one of the things that I really liked about season 1, namely when Nancy called Jonathan on his bullshit while they were in the woods. The most incompatible moment between them (I thought) was when they were talking in his car about how he didn't mind not going to college because they would be able to stay together. It showed that he was thinking of his future as an extension of being her boyfriend (and future husband, devoted, but a little immature) whereas she was thinking about where her life could take her in a more grounded and practical way. It was a very true to them both kind of moment. I think she was a worse girlfriend than he was a boyfriend. He seemed to spend a fair amount of time doing unpleasant things only for her benefit. As far as I saw, he was very emotionally supportive a ton of times, and only really tried once to get Nancy to cheer up and fake it the one time before the party. I think he was more just out of his depth with the whole survivors guilt thing. Nancy could probably get more from a therapist at this point than a new boyfriend, however arty and sensitive he might be.

She has a perfectly nice figure, they just need to stop dressing in either such form fitting head to toe clothes, or these swamping muumuu styles. Neither of the two extremes are working for her. Something a good bit more inbetween would suit her much better. This for instance: http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/24/debra-messing-triggered-over-new-york-times-piece/ or this one http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Debra+Messing/2017+Summer+TCA+Tour+NBC+Press+Tour+Arrivals/B1yV0uDIUyA are both great styles for her.

Yeah, there's so much good storytelling they could do with the biblical set up, but they always pic the laziest family dynamics angle to go for.

That really was dumb that they skipped over it. I feel like the writers are trying to pretend the whole Uriel thing never happened. In the immediate aftermath Lucifer was so much more fragile and upset, but since the end of that season they haven't even brought it up (that I recall, correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think they show wants to be that serious, they lean pretty hard on the silly/fun side of all this. Ella is without question my least favorite character. They keep trying to use her as the morality pet of the group, but I think the Doctor does a much better job of filling that role. Ella somehow manages to be both gratingly annoying and somehow overly sanctimonious on a show loosely based around religion. Every time she's on the screen I wish she wasn't, and they keep giving her episodes that focus on her.

Speaking of couches, did anyone else think get reminded of Twin Peaks (original series) when BH Santa from Betty's dream was climbing over the couch? The over exaggerated/uncanny valley way he was moving reminded me of long-grey-haired-killer-guy-that-somehow-turned-out-not-to-be-the-killer, so, foreshadowing?

This was beyond ick. Daddy from a girl her age is bad enough, then they made it even grosser. It also always reminds me of how grossly over privileged she is, I think this episode might have been the first time she realized the US has a problem with medical expenses. I'm not looking for a socialist screed in the middle of an episode, but can they show the teens on this show working hard at something? Like school, or an after school job? They seem to have unlimited free time and no responsibilities, or parental oversight. Then they turn around and try to tell their parents what to do, how am I supposed to like these people? I'm starting to like Archie the best. He's kind of dopey and useless, but at least he works on stuff. He works for his dads company over the summer, then sells christmas trees, everyone else just spends 100% of their time doing whatever they feel like (you will never convince me that Betty would not choose 'snoop around and annoy people' as her hobby, black hood or no). I'm thinking it was Sheriff Keller, and he swapped places some how/blackmailed the janitor into being his puppet, then shot the guy that could have caught him out. How much was that Christmas tree? They're not usually more than 60 or so dollars. In fairness, they might have had multiple emotional and heartfelt conversations about this, dozens even, and we were inexplicably never shown it. Is Betty really not going to write an expose on the Nuns who are abusing their physical charges? Has she really just been sitting on that information all this time? Is she really supposed to be any kind of hero/good on this show? Does Jughead go to Southside High still? How is he always at Northside during school time?

I think having Betty and Veronica develop into rivals for a while makes total sense. It was always a little odd and rushed that Veronica immediately wanted to be Betty's friend and that they got so close so fast first season. Their friendship has always been somewhat underlined by the fact that both of them have prominent characteristics that the other has no liking or respect for. We saw some of this come out when Betty was made to attack veronica by the BH, she wouldn't normally have said the stuff she did, but it was still stuff that she believed. They can make it back to being friends eventually, but for now there's a lot between them that is left unsaid to preserve their friendship.

Oh man, this episode. Why does this show distance itself from reality so hard? I spend half the tie shrieking at the tv, and not in the good way. What janitor doesn’t knock?! I guess we’re to assume he was creeping at the door and interrupted to protect Josie’s virtue. Archie and Veronica –‘OMG there were three children!! This changes everything!!’ yeah guys, which obviously is not news to the people that were investigating the crime, and probably not news to anyone investigating the current crime. It seems more likely that black hood is the guy that got dragged of into the woods by mob justice. How did FP and Jug get another bike? those aren't cheap, and Jug was riding FPs while he was in jail. FP: 'then leave him! ...at home' that was so great. I love/hate how Alice has to be the center of attention in every room, regardless of what said room is/who is in it. Man, Archie is a toxic little crybaby, he went from ‘it’s okay no pressure, V.’ to ‘that is if your cold dead heart can love anything’ in the space of literally two seconds. Betty's dance? Good god, your mom is there, your boyfriend's dad is there! So much cringing! All the cringing that exists. I may never watch again, due to the second hand embarrassment. Seriously, Skeet out acts so many of his costars, like, the majority of them. And Betty and Jug are broken up again. Honestly, I think both of their break ups come down to Betty’s hard core type A personality and inability to stay out of things. She is so much her mother…And not to be too harsh, but good lord Betty, actions have consequences. You can’t just run over everyone all the time. I think we were supossed to find it uncomfortable. It was so quiet when she started stripping. No whistling, or hoots from the crowd (on a similar note, I will be forever disappointed that the serpents didn't hiss, instead of boo when Veronica and Archie left the stage.) and when she was done, dead silence. FP had to make them cheer for her.

yeah, that's what I mean when I say every episode feels like a clip show. The closest I can remember to an 'in between moment' is when we saw Jughead and Archie hanging out in his room playing video games. It's stuff like that that makes the rest of the scenes work for me. It really bugs me that they keep skipping them. I'm honestly not sold on the idea that, if you take away all the bat shittery they team up to deal with, any of these people are actually friends. (a show that did a decent job of this would be The OC, a show that did too much of it would be Gossip Girl.) I think that Riverdale might be a little over-plotted for my tastes. Veronica is kind of like a Fembot. She doesn't really have another setting. Haha, Cheryl. Cheryl is hella crazy :)

I think Avery and Trish might be my favorite of the supporting cast, though now that the B-team is getting along I like them a lot more too. I like the script stuff, but I did think that the Murtaugh /Scorsese stuff about the script went both too far and on to long to actually be funny. It's strange, but I tend to find Crawford funnier than Waynes, which, given their backgrounds is a little surprising. I think Waynes is not really committing to the straight man role, and so their dynamic is sort of off this season. Overall Crawford does get better material to work with though.

It's possible. I certainly don't mean to suggest that she was actually making a play for the sheriff, just that she was being teasingly flirtatious. Personally I would have never said anything like that to a friends parent, as a teenager or now. I tend to be pretty compartmentalized though, I've never had a crush on a teacher or a boss or anything like that. To me it was more funny to hear that Veronica is so assured that her boyfriend is a renowned total beefcake to the point that even the Sheriff would be aware of it.

I saw Jake and Molly run, and Jake come back and threaten Riggs senior with the gun, but that's where I got confused. The dad calls Jake's bluff but leaves him with the gun and somehow he's starts hitting Riggs junior again? When I saw the scene I thought he took the gun from Jake, and started hitting Jake for threatening to shoot him, then Martin shot him. But judging by how things shook out apparently not.

So I guess last episode’s interaction is all we’re going to get as far as fallout from Betty having Archie dump Jug for her. Why even write that story line if you’re just going to spend one fourth of one episode on dealing with it. I know it’s a little off from the whole nerdy writer thing, but if they’re going to keep Jug doing this whole bad boy thing then they really need to get Cole Sprouse to put on some muscle. He looks like he would be less use in a fight than Betty. This deal with the lawyer is still so, soooo stupid. She’s the lawyer for the Serpents! FP is a Serpent!! The other Serpents sent Jug to her! Not only should she already be representing him, but all this strongly suggests that the Serpents set Jug up for all this crap. "they messed up that pretty face of his" -Legit gasped. So glad it was a lie. Hahaha Archie’s idea about living in new York as struggling broke artists is absolutely the most stupid thing he’s ever said. Dude is about 20-30 years too late with that plan. Pop’s is less dated than that idea. How absurd is it that the Mayor is safer at the four seasons? Does she not have some kind of security detail? Josie’s behavior is pretty nonsensical, her mom tells her to come home right away, the very next night she stays after at school then goes out with a guy and doesn’t even bother to check her phone? Cheryl is a friend no one needs. She is way controlling, even before the reveal. Why does this show cram so much plot into it’s episodes? And yet it still manages to leave so much out. Sheriff Keller has a wife?! Have we had literally one mention of this? No V! No hitting on your friends parents!! ‘Archie Andrews watch your back’?! Stop That At Once Young Lady! That Sheriff Keller keeps his office locked is literally the most responsible we’ve seen him do. Though, given the season one break in he should really have a better lock at this point. Also, Betty, you had your own murder wall of crazy last season, stop casting stones you glass house living psycho. Also; ‘here’s my log book’ bc the adults fully realize that Betty can and will not be stopped by reasonable discourse or the rules of her parents. ETA: The kids from Stranger Things could run circles around the kids from Riverdale. Every episode of this show feels like a clip show.

They talked primarily about Molly dating and whether Riggs was going to move on so he could date too. It was a very forgettable scene. BC the two of them have no chemistry at all. Even as friends. She gets the worst writing of everyone. As much as I would love to see Riggs in high school they're going to have to make him and Molly compelling in the present too.

So true, every show has to eventually be an ensemble on some level. So many shows can't seem to get this right, I think this one's doing okay. Riggs' behavior is so far off the grid this season. I think they're building up to a thing where he's losing it without having his wife as a touchstone. Her killer is caught, their relationship has a different type of shadow over it from the cartel thing. So he's kind of lost something that was integral to him keeping his focus. I honestly think that the Dad stuff is really good and compelling. It's well shot and Crawford is a very strong actor with a ton of range. The actress playing the doctor is pretty weak, she's also a terrible doctor. Like, terrible terrible. A big part of her character is supposed to be how competent she is and Riggs might not be an ideal patient,but she is hard core failing. I felt so bad for the dead surfer, he seemed like a good dude.

The flash backs are my favorite parts of this season. I thought that this one was a little confusing though. Did Riggs' father come into the house and start beating on Jake? Both of the kids looked a lot alike to me so I had some trouble figuring out exactly what was going on in that scene. I thought that Bailey was super unprofessional and rude here. If you look at her behavior from what she thinks is going on in the first scene--she thinks (Boone? is that his name) thinks that she sent him an inappropriate sexual message, which he rejected, so she behaves especially rudely to him? Does she want him to think that she's punishing him for refusing her? The Molly and Ben things were pretty okay, I like adding them to Riggs' usual deal. Man, Jake is so much worse off at the end of this episode. He's been shot, can't go to the hospital, had no money, is on the run from the law, just got out of jail and has possibly had his illegal connections poisoned with rumors that he worked as an informant. Riggs really didn't do him any favors by letting him go. And why would Jake think he needed some big score anyway? The house his wife has is perfectly nice. This cliched story line only works when the family he's coming home to desperately needs the money.

Right? It's like she thinks she was talking about a prison not a high school. she sounded like a moron that whole speech. I think the show's run time is too short of what they're trying to do with it. Every scene needs to breathe a bit and we need time in between plot heavy scenes for them to actually develop the relationships. Like, I guess we're not even talking about FP anymore? Not even a few sentences. Imagine if they had given the plot of this show the pacing of a show like The OC. Say what you want about it, but the best part of that show was the bits where characters were just being themselves with other characters, this show has like two of those moments a season, and they usually monologue over them. In a way it's kind of in character though. She didn't want to hide the information, she was just ashamed/embarrassed about being in the middle of something like that. So worried about what people would think... it would be too great if Hinton came to do an episode. I must have read the Outsiders a dozen times when I was 14. It doesn't make any sense that everyone assumes it's someone from the Southside. Literally all the crime we have seen since the show began was either perpetrated by a Northsider, or heavily influenced by one. Hiding behind a mask while you dole out judgement and punishment on people's sins while refusing to recognize your own is possibly the most Northside behavior in existence. In fact, are we sure BH isn't Alice Cooper? She's been in the know about all of the punished sins so far, and this is full on her exact MO

Just curious, but were you 'out' / did you have the option of hooking up outside of cruising? not super related, but does anyone know the timeline of the show so far? it started when they were first going back to school for sophomore year but where are we now?

I'm a 30 year old moderately attractive straight woman and I'm jealous of the action the Archie Gang gets. It occurs to me that he might still be trying to get back at Fred. I think that the Hood Guy is probably connected to him regardless, but taking out the son of the guy that dared to bang your wife is somewhat poetic. It really is Kevin's age that makes the cruising storyline so absurd. Statutory rape is practically guaranteed, I've known a number of gay guys in high school and college, and none of them went cruising till they were over 18. Even then, it was something they didn't do very often, only after a long dry spell. Maybe once every other month? I do think that Betty was right to talk to Kevin about it, I just think the way she talked to him, and then the actions she took were way out of line. We're to think that Cheryl set her up, but really she gave Betty valuable insight that she handled very poorly. Every time she talked to him it seemed more about preaching against casual sex than the actual danger. ETA: and this is actually very good writing for her character. She's like sixteen, in a sheltered small town, she's currently having her first boyfriend who I don't think she's slept with yet. It makes sense that she would be so uptight and preachy. Good point about Ethel, I think they do seem to have the same number of options. They may also have been trying to suggest that Kevin is using cruising to get to be around other gay people? like that's sort of what Moose was saying? Or something?

I completely agree that everyone is morally grey, the thing with Betty only annoys me bc I feel like it got swept aside very quickly. Whereas Grundy, for example, was clearly shown to be a genuine predator who left Riverdale and promptly began abusing another child in Greendale. I really thought that was a great way for the show to make it clear that what she had done was wrong, and that Archie wasn't able to be objective about what had happened. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Veronica. I don't think her actress is very strong, and I'm more interested in her parents then her own storylines. At least with her parents you get the idea that they've rolled up their sleeves and gotten into some serious nastiness to get what they have. Veronica seems like she's just showing up places and waiting for people to give her things all the time.

That is a good point, but Betty doesn't know that. Also, I think you could argue that Cheryl went out of her way to set the fire so that her mother would definitely be able to escape. Related: anyone have ideas on if we're supposed to think Cheryl was telling the truth when she said her mom ran in to get that ugly painting? The whole trying to save the grandmother thing is already admitted to as a lie. I mean, would she lie to her mom about something her mom did? does that even make sense?

HA! and also, agreed. Especially sense (this bothered me so much) Freaking FP is still high ranking member in good standing of the freaking Serpents!!! Literally she should already be representing him!! I don;t think I missed the scene where the gave any reason, no matter how half-assed for her to be not representing him. she is the lawyer! for the Serpents! of which he is one! Who proofread this script? Just saying that out loud should have been enough for the penny to drop for these dummies. I hope there's not too much plot hinging on this debt Jug supposedly owes, bc that's only going to be even more absurd. Jughead remembers nothing. Possibly ever. He doesn't seem to remember Betty telling everyone that FP and the Serpents are part of the town that they should embrace when those guys handed him him the jacket either. Agree so much. Betty, IMO, did the single worst thing a teenager has done on this show so far in this episode. Threatening a girl who just lost her father and whose mother has been horrifically burned, with a tape of her twin brother (who you know she was insanely close to) being shot in the head by their father just a little while after she tried to literally kill herself? And you're going to put that tape on the internet? Did Betty even consider how that action would have affected her sister? I feel like the writers have no idea how terrible and unforgivable of an action that was. She could literally save Cheryl's live a dozen times and I would still be 100% on board for Cheryl spending the entire rest of her life dedicated to making sure that Betty dies alone and miserable. Last season the 'super evil, must be punished' thing was a bang book that was partly lies, and this season Betty does something like this and they try to play it off like no big deal? They went from 'she's so dark and scary! Look how she pours maple syrup on a jock!' to 'literal blackmail that carrying out would emotionally cripple two people at least, and also one of them is already suicidal and you know it and that why she's doing it' not only that, but there's a decent argument to be made for FP having gotten what's his name killed. He might not have pulled the trigger, but he did lock him up in the basement and let crazy Mr. Blossom have a go at him. This bit just really upset me. Guys that do revenge porn officially have a moral high ground to freaking Betty Cooper. The only saving grace is that we can't know for sure that she would have gone through with it. I do think though, that we are supposed to think that she would have.

they did a catch up blip in the first episode that mentioned that they were still together

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I prefer my comedy with no lessons. The episode had some fun mostly courtesy of Jack. The Grace/Karen segments were cringeworthy, though. The kid who played the grandson wasn't a great actor. He kept glancing off to the side, almost as if he were looking for the teleprompter. if it had just been a little less overdone and anvilicious....

Given the country's current state of affairs, I think it would be really nice to see her make a slow turn around instead. It'd be nice to see someone like that get better, instead of ditched and never heard from again. Esp if she did it for her son.