bluphoenix451

Super late stumbling on to this thread. I loved this show, but it's 100% the reason I'm still afraid of escalators. The one episode that sticks in my head was about this kid who fell at the bottom the escalator started eating his jacking and strangling him. This was before they had those emergency stop buttons and it seemed to take forever to get the escalator to stop and to cut him free.

If I remember from the book that is actually what happened. They did the inquest right then and there at the scene and also random people both observed and trampled all over the crime scene. I think your reaction is exactly what Scorsese is going for because you should be horrified by it.

This is clearer in the book, but they did try to show this in the movie: The Native population had been declared mentally incompetent in mass and were legally required to have a white person (generally a man, because let's add patriarchy to racism) manage their money. They literally did not have direct access to their funds and require permission from their white guardian for any access. So they are between a rock and a hard place and for a lot of them the least terrible path was to be married to their guardian (and thereby hopefully have more influence) vs having random white man in town serve that function. You can read more about it here: https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165619070/osage-headrights-killers-of-the-flower-moon-fletcher-lawsuit

It's on britbox now.

So agree. She portrayed such complex feelings. On one hand this man did horrific things to your family and help them to be systematically murdered, but on the other you are facing moving forward totally alone and ill and grieving. Any path forward is still completely devastating.

The Turner/Jonas divorce is getting uglier. Sophie has filed to have her children brought back to England and alleges that they had agreed to move there and that Joe is now refusing to send them. She also says she found out via the media about the divorce. https://people.com/sophie-turner-sues-joe-jonas-demands-kids-be-returned-to-england-amid-split-7972708

Looks like it's official that Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas are divorcing. I have to say I love that people are noticing the leaking of this news and the "Joe has had to take care of his own children" narrative doesn't pass the smell test. I've seen speculation that he is trying to get ahead of something negative coming out about him by going scorched earth first. She's always been pretty private about the relationship considering they are both celebrities so I'm definitely side eyeing the leaks and negativity being proactively thrown her way. I do wonder if the fact that he got with her when she was 20 and he was 27 is a factor given she is now a lot closer to 30 and coming into her own as an adult. https://www.today.com/popculture/joe-jonas-sophie-turner-divorce-rcna103286

That's a rough read. I really hope she was totally unconscious once the accident happened because being trapped for 45 minutes in a burning car and sustaining injuries so severe your sternum is cracked sound horrific. I'm shocked she was still alive when they extracted her.

I don't either. Glad she's ok, Kelsey has had such a history of violent and/or tragic things happening to his immediate family members.

Yep https://www.vulture.com/2022/10/jerry-lee-lewis-obituary-1935-2022.html "He once shot his bass player in the chest; just about all of his seven wives, including one who was a child, said he beat them; and there’s a lingering suspicion that he murdered wife No. 5. " I recently listened to a podcast that covered him and in particular the death of his 5th wife and I totally believe he killed her and leveraged his hometown connections to get away with it.

Technically they are, and were raised as such, since their parents (Laenor and Laena) were siblings, yeah genetically not so much.

He does literally have severe brain damage. This very much reminds me of my grandfather after he had several strokes, his ability to determine what was appropriate rapidly disappeared and I recall multiple uncomfortable interactions with female health care professionals at the end. If he had still been mobile I think it would have been worse. Since Gary's accident he has had a reputation for being very strange and I wouldn't be surprised if more stories come in now in the era of Me Too where people feel somewhat more comfortable being able to come forward. All that to say it sounds like he may be deteriorating more now, but I doubt this was the first time for this behavior.

The bolded emphasis is mine, but my thinking went here as well. I didn't think Denzel was saying implying Chris was the devil, but that the devil/devilishness was in Will's reaction/behavior which call it the devil or temper or immaturity sounds correct to me. I'm not Christian, but having been raised as one I also didn't take it as excusing the behavior or implying the devil did it and Will had no control. I took it as you were tested by "the devil" or less religiously "the circumstances" and you let your base impulses get the best of you and that is on you.

He said Janine was being tucked in by Aunt Lydia not Hannah.

I think they are both Diana's sisters.

The article says he died as a result of injuries from a fire that occurred while he was visiting family which is....horrific. I can't think of a fire related death that isn't awful and painful.

I'm not the original poster, but here is one article https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38032464 which says: "But in fact, papers available in the National Archives since 2004 show that the Queen and Eden drew up a plan in 1955 under which Princess Margaret could marry Townsend while keeping her royal title and her civil list allowance of £6,000 a year plus another £9,000 on marriage. She could live in this country and even continue with public duties if the public approved, as was highly likely. However, she would have to renounce her rights of succession and those of her children." and "One mystery is why the princess herself, only three days after the final draft of the proposal was produced, announced on 31 October 1955 that she would not be marrying Townsend after all. A clue may come in a letter in the files, from the princess herself to Eden in August 1955. She says she will see Townsend in October: "It is only by seeing him in this way that I feel I can properly decide whether I can marry him or not." This letter indicates perhaps that her determination to marry him was not quite as strong as has been believed." I also think more details about this were posted back when the story line originally aired on the show.

I think we are saying the same thing. I think she cares for her children (and probably their spouses), but her approach/life view is informed by her life experiences. Edited to add: It's also possible that the Queen is both cold and still loves her family very much. She reminds me of my grandmother who I would describe in the same way. Based on her own experiences as well as her upbringing she is fairly cold as Grandmothers go and also simply could not under why my mother couldn't just rid herself from depression by just getting over it. Sometimes there is a gap between how we feel vs how we express those feelings.

Still David lived 20 years into her reign so I think it's fair to say that Elizabeth didn't expect to become Queen in her mid twenties and one would imagine that has a profound impact in particular on her bar for "difficulties". With the old school uninformed view (or lack there of) of mental health and her life experiences I don't find it hard to see how the Queen may have lacked understanding of and empathy for Diana's mental health challenges.

That article cites her obituary as where they got that info from, but if you click the link to it that they include it says "Shanna Marie Hogan, 38, died Sept. 1, 2020 of a brain injury following a fall and pool accident at her Phoenix home. Her heart, kidneys and liver were given to four people who husband Matt LaRussa hopes to meet one day -- "I wanted as much of her in this world as possible." So even their own source doesn't say she was swimming.

Agreed and according to this she tripped and fell into the pool so there's no need to chide her for swimming alone because she wasn't: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/books/2020/09/08/best-selling-true-crime-author-shanna-hogan-dies-pol-accident/5753738002/

They filmed the first episode on my college campus (then used a set afterwards), so maybe the lucked into realism by just using the real thing. 🙂

This sounds logical to my amateur ears. Though Betty reads to me as possibly suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder (I got to see it up close as my mom suffered from it). There is a book about dealing with it that is often recommended for family members of those who suffer from it called I Hate You, Don't Leave Me which sounds exactly like Betty.

I keep mulling this though over as well. I know at least one of her kids says she isn't a danger to anyone because the only people she wanted to kill are dead, but on the flip side her continued lack of remorse or willingness to acknowledge her culpability really makes me question that. I don't know that I think she would kill anyone else....but there are lot of other destructive things you can do before you get to killing. Like I wonder if her daughter who wants her to stay with her is really thinking about what it would be like to have a Betty in your home who not only won't acknowledge murder was wrong, but also wants you to agree with her that your dad deserved to die. All that to say, if she were to get out I would fear for anyone who crossed her wrong. Doubt she will ever get released though.

Sounds like I am. I thinking maybe I'm missing what your original point was when you quoted me. I said that Dan was a POS, but for me I can't get past what Betty ultimately did because it was permanent and violent not just to Dan, but to her kids and your response sounded like "but what about about Dan did". It came across as excusing Betty or implying that her culpability was diminished by virtue of Dan being a dick.