Dminches

The said they were getting it tested but they never said what the results are. Also, when Richard said that he may have just been assuming as opposed to having the facts. It takes more than a couple hours to test blood. They may have arrested him but it doesn’t mean the evidence is sufficient to charge him.

I don’t think it has been established that that was Natalie’s blood.

Do you now think she was murdered?

Helen

Can you explain?

Right, he shows up with flowers and wine. But in #2 doesn't he indicate that they had planned to go out to dinner and says he is hungry? She gives him cheese and crackers as a result. It seems like they had plans. I guess I need to watch this again.

We also have to remember that she went to California and returned in a very bad state. She had the breathing difficulty in the car with Noah. It is likely that when she returned to LI she was no better which would put her in a potential suicidal state. What I don’t get is did she arrange for Ben to come over? If so, why? In her mind she had already ended it after learning that he was married. If #1 was the reality version why did she agree to have Ben come over? In #2 Ben indicated that they were planning on going out to dinner. I find it hard to believe Alison would have agreed to that.

Maybe, but you can also make the argument that she died that way only because Ruth Wilson wanted off the show.

I have been wondering if this isn’t a suicide or murder but an accident. Maybe Alison walks out on the jetty and slips, hits her head and drowns. Even if she was distraught at the time maybe she didn’t intend to end her life.

This was all from Cole’s POV so maybe he said something completely different (sarcasm).

Plus, the fact that the call seemed to indicate that Alison's body was at the morgue would indicate that someone had already identified her. Why did Cole and Noah have to re-identify her?

But that means you can never trust that anything you saw actually happened. I agree with the other part but you only knew that someone's POV may have been skewed if you saw a 2nd POV. For something less important than asking for a kidney I agree that a 2nd POV isn't critical. I just don't see how viewers can understand what's going on if they can't believe anything they are seeing. Maybe Alison isn't dead and both Noah's and Cole's POV are just sadness at the prospect of missing her....

I completely agree. In the first season they often showed the same scene from both perspectives. They stopped doing that but sometimes they crossed over. You can't put into question the validity of the facts of a situation if you aren't going to even show the other POV.

Fortunately most people on this forum have not lost a child but if you had you would know that the concept of Alison never getting over Gabriel’s death and ultimately killing herself despite having another child is very real. She was broken from the point of Gabriel’s death and it seemed like she was never going to recover.

I guess the Roy version of the story will have to include Kendall breaking into his own room since the server stole his key. Clearly the server didn't break in since he had a key.

I traveled for work my entire career which started in 1983. There were a lot of questionable towns but at least I was a guy and less vulnerable than women. That is a scary situation you described. People also need to remember that there were no cell phones and GPSs back then. You had to find your way to your hotel with a friggin' map.

The final scene with Logan and Kendall was chilling. Logan spoke matter-of-factly while Kendall was reduced to a little boy with tears. Even if Logan's motivation was to save the family name from a scandal he was adept at controlling his emotions. Poor Kendall. All he wants is for his father to see him as a strong player but he just doesn't have it in him. I love Shiv but that was some heavy stuff she laid on Tom in the bedroom. Even if she had told him that before the wedding he still would have gone through with it. Maybe Tom will prove to be enough for her. Roman and Connor are both pathetic.

I thought they did a very good job with the final season. They stayed true to each character but had each of them move forward in their lives.

They actually did shoot at the stop sign. Interestingly didn’t the police chief notice a bullet hole in another stop sign in the beginning of the episode when he arrived at work?

What was John's girlfriend doing jacking up the bed and cleaning something? That whole scene confused me. She seemed to be cleaning up what looked like a blood stain.

That's what I have been thinking. The hospital stay was definitely before the present. They didn't do much to make her look any younger although it could have been pretty recent.

I haven't read the book but I have a strong feeling as to who is responsible for the girls' deaths which I will put in a spoiler box.

How could Felix have access to the security system in order to turn it off for Maeve? No way he has logical access to that.

I thought the season finale was meh. It was so obvious that Jeffcoat was going to be in Chuck's office. The whole entrapment story line moved way too quickly. Too many turns to be realistic. The parallel story line of Axe being double crossed by Taylor was also far fetched. There is more to good business than being a walking computer. Despite all this I enjoyed the season. Wendy emerged as an equal to Axe and Chuck. More Wendy = good viewing.

Chuck seemed disappointed or worried by Ira's comments at their steak dinner. I was right after Ira made the comment about sometimes the worst thing happening (Taiga finding another man) is not so bad. Does that mean he was ok moving on from her? Can someone explain that?