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But see, that's called intelligent political discourse. I look forward to it! JOC, how does Barnicle have a network job? I mean, between him and BriWi, has MSNBC become the sanctuary for the ethically challenged?

Y'know, I don't even watch TPC until I check here to see if SRTouch has posted a recap. It's like a personal guide for lazy brains like mine. So much appreciated. Zooey Deschanel's dog was very cute. Poor furbaby. Watch? What is this watch you speak of?

I've never had the issues with CT that other people seem to have, but I thought he did a great job with Giuliani yesterday and with the communication director the other day who was living in la-la land. And both of those interviews are getting major play in many places. I've been on an MSNBC quibblefest lately, so I'll add this--Joy aired a two-part interview with Mark Cuban over Saturday and Sunday that she stated was conducted on Friday, yet the MSNBC logo persistently said "Live," and no other graphic contradicted it. I get that the overall broadcast is live, but any taped segments should be clearly identified as taped while they are running.

How goddamn refreshing to see a discussion of police shootings that demonizes neither the police nor the citizenry/protestors. When you have to offer a class to teach kids how not to get shot, civilization is in ruins. That's more Chris Matthews than I can normally bear to hear. 40 minutes was good. They should keep it up, although I could totally have done without the flying dildo boomerang at the end.

The rallies I've seen have been playing You Can't Always Get What You Want, which always seems like a fascinating message for The Donald and his merry band of deplorables. John Oliver did a piece a few months ago about politicians co-opting music without permission or royalties.

Mine too, although I always heard he developed the accent as a homage to Peter Falk. I couldn't stand Alan Alda in MASH; thought his acting was way OTT, annoyingly sanctimonious, and vastly overrated. ICBW but I think Happy Days was taped in front of a studio audience. It's shows like MASH that had no business having a laugh track. IIRC they tried once to do an episode without a laugh track but gave it up after that. I've been reading this thread because I discovered H&I on my DirecTV feed but don't quite understand how an antenna works for the other channels they won't carry. I'm really enjoying seeing Hill Street Blues and Star Trek Voyager again, and am finally getting to see ST:DS9.

I agree that Joy and the panel were falling all over themselves to speak kindly to the Drumpf supporter (who insisted she's an independent). Apparently she thinks Drumpf has promised her a tax cut, and therefore nothing else matters. And indeed, she was polite and respectful in return. Nobody cut anyone off or yelled across a table. Two general complaints about MSNBC opinion shows: why are they always so pressed for time? It's not like they're going to cause the Heidi Bowl by cutting into something scheduled later. Joy today rightly pushed back whatever she had scheduled for later in her show so she could extend the conversation. This almost never happens and almost every interview I see in MSNBC prime time results in little more than a few sound bites where the guest either says yep, you're right, or nope, don't agree, and the guests are shuffled off. If you need more time, schedule fewer guests and fewer segments. Very often CH/Rachel/LOD repeat the same points anyway. You can see what a difference not rushing makes when they don't do it--look at how well Rachel did when she had a full hour to interview KAC. Look how much better this panel did today when they had enough time to have a real discussion. Second point: I am totally sick of MSNBC program flow--segment--commercials--come back with 30 second teaser with the host so you think they're back--commercials--come back with 60 second teaser for something unrelated to the first teaser--commercials--eventually come back to what they originally teased. I've gotten to the point where I record the prime time shows and watch them an hour later just to get through that. Oh, and I hate the sound effect they make when Rachel goes to commercial, something like papers or a deck of cards being shuffled. One more bitch: yesterday, I think it was on MTP, they ran several minutes of silent live video of a Drumpf rally with Drumpf and Giuliani in the larger part of a split screen while the panel in the smaller screen talked about something completely unrelated. Why bother to show the rally with the sound off? Either show it as it is or don't show it at all. If it's a test to see who lip reads, maybe, but otherwise what's the point???

If this interview doesn't convince the networks to stop booking surrogates, nothing can. And this guy is the senior communication director, which speaks volumes about the communications coming out of the Drumpf campaign. This was the ultimate swimming in shit and expecting to find a pony.

Any employer who addresses a job performance issue by calling the employee "Miss Piggy" and trashing her in public needs never to be allowed to employ anyone ever again. "Only real offense" is a fucking ginormous offense. That said, Sam did get in a few jabs at Hillary and that's ok. Hillary's not a saint and someone who tries to present her that way is going to lose credibility, deservedly so. That's a huge reason why I despise the paid surrogates so much, because every single aspect of their candidate has to be spun into sainthood.

My problem with CM is almost never his base of knowledge, his choice of questions, or whatever perceived bias he has (and he worked for Tip O'Neill); it's virtually exclusively his inability to let people answer the questions he's asked without interrupting. I used to watch him back in the 90s as a frequent guest on C-span (which also often included Kellyanne Fitzpatrick now Conway) and he wasn't hard to listen to at all--but then, he wasn't the host. You'd think being a panelist on Brian Lamb's show would have taught him something about how to run a talk panel, but sadly, no.

I suspect Weld just spouted off the first foreign leader who came to mind, especially because Peres is probably the most recent name in the news. Weld's a very smart guy and I do believe if CM had directed the question at him instead of Gary Johnson, he would not have whiffed on it. Like I might have said Golda Meir because she even though she came to power when I was in junior high and she's been dead for many years, her ascension at that time was considered a huge milestone for women that still resonates with me today.

Amen, sister! I've never understood common grammatical disasters, as it's really not any harder to learn basic English than to learn substandard English. And even assuming children learn what they hear at home, do they sleep through every single year of public school?

I was actually paying attention to the running time when JO was enumerating Hillary's scandals and wondering if there'd be enough time to start on Drumpf. In some ways though, as a non-HRC fan and Drumpf hater, I found it really helpful to get an objective assessment of what her scandals are, as opposed to the breathless, hyperbolic reporting I've seen all campaign season. I already knew a lot about Drumpf's scandals, although they keep piling up daily. Just the same it seemed like JO should have been given an hour to give full shrift to both sides. It's HBO; can't they just change the running time as needed and move something else around?

I feel the same way you do--want to go stand in front of others and cast my vote the way it's been done for centuries. I've never felt great about Hillary herself but I'm probably going to cry when she is elected. I'm of that age, too, where discrimination was blatant and entrenched and if you said something, you were told you were too sensitive (because you're a woman, of course!). I'm much older than Rachel but I love that she has such a sense of history and she can describe events from the past in terms that feel current.

I just think it's lazy, lazy journalism to bring on, over and over, the surrogates. They promote political understanding as much as prostitutes promote love and marriage. Yes, you get the quick satisfaction of being nailed hard and fast, but in the end you're still just screwed. Happened just to turn on the TV now and it was on MSNBC, just in time to hear Kornacki say that Drumpf was about to have a rally and "of course we'll carry it." Why do you fucking have to carry every rally live? Take video and if there's something newsworthy, report it. Otherwise you're just proving why Drumpf thinks Hillary is an idiot for paying for her air time.

NY Daily News columnist is very unhappy with Chuck Todd: Chuck Todd said the worst thing last night at the presidential debate

I am surprised at the number of Drumpf ads running on MSNBC. Somehow that doesn't seem to be me to be his target audience. I don't watch it, but does anyone know if Hillary's campaign runs ads on Faux News? I think it would have funny, but probably would have been considered a low blow, if HRC had obsequiously inquired after Drumpf's health, with all the sniffling he did. Chris Matthews insisting HRC pitched a five run shutout is somewhat surprising coming from him. I felt bad for Rachel having to co-anchor with BriWi (who said 'corollarily' again! Irk!). The post-midnight panel hosted now by CM is much more interesting than the earlier one with Rachel and BriWi. I watched the debate live on C-span, which didn't do split screen, so I'm fascinated by the discussion of the impact of the split screen as shown on the networks.

I wish I had a relative who was that kind and considerate. Plaintiff was lucky he didn't countersue for the back rent because he totally would have won. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

When I was four years old, I got hold of a giant box of Sunmaids. I ate the entire box and from that day to this the thought of a raisin disgusts me. I avoid anything with raisins or pick them out when I can't avoid them. So perhaps it's an apt comparison, given that we're being inundated with tabloid scandals instead of policy debates, because even though I was a poli sci major so long ago, I'm about sick of the whole process. I can only imagine how it must be to people who have no interest in politics and live in a reality show universe. You know, the deplorables.

Are you talking about the time a few weeks ago when KAC claimed in her interview on TRMS that Roger Ailes was not assisting the campaign, and when it became crystal clear that was not true, Rachel angrily called her out on it?

I am a political moderate and some of the liberal drumbeat on MSNBC sets my teeth on edge, too. I don't love Hillary but I will vote for her because Drumpf is an unparalleled POS. I really don't want to see the hard-core surrogates on either side who are paid to promote a cause at all cost. I so much more enjoy interviews with people who aren't part of either campaign but who have interesting points to make that aren't based on lies and propaganda pushed out by one or the other campaign. In my opinion, loading your interview shows with paid surrogates, even if they balance each other out, does nothing to elevate any political discussion. What I really want to see in any show is the host maintaining control of the discussion, and when they're all screaming at each other, well, you've got the hole of suckitude that was Crossfire, plus I want to see a knowledgeable, educated host calling out brazen distortion of facts from either side for what they are. No one on MSNBC manages the discussion better than Joy. Taco trucks, anyone? JMNSHO, and of course, YMMV.

I think there's a YUGE difference between threatening to cut off someone because you're having a real dialogue with someone whose views you dislike and you're losing the debate, vs threatening to cut off someone who has clearly brought a prepared canned message, who talks over you or your other guests, who incessantly repeats lies that can be easily refuted with hard evidence, and who is obviously not interested in a true exchange of ideas. I would object to the former (cf. O'Reilly) but have no problem with the latter, and I think that's where Joy falls.

Someone last night, think it was LOD but it could have been Rachel (damn it sucks to have these memory losses!), got all excited at CC being on the potential witness list for the case. I'm sorry but why would anyone think he would not be on the list? I don't think a governor can claim executive privilege and refuse to testify. And if he does testify, he's either going to have to tell the truth which will torpedo what's left of his career, or lie and commit perjury.

Can we have a moratorium on "emotional distress?" Maybe instead of some filler case, one day MM or Levin can spend ten minutes just reviewing the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress, and why 99.99% of TPC litigants have no business claiming it? As for the first case, speaking of filler, I really hate padding out 20 minutes when the merits can be decided in 30 seconds. But then of course, this show isn't about law, it's about drah-ma. As soon as it was evident she signed a contract that limited damages by weight, as almost every moving company contract does, she was done. Second case, I agree with you, AngelaHunter, in wishing MM didn't rule for the plaintiff. Not that the defendant was any prize, but this is the second recent case (am trying to remember the particulars of the first, might have been a dog case) where MM has penalized a defendant in this way. It's not like she was the bank and had some obligation to provide a fortress. She may very well have stolen the money but the plaintiff couldn't prove it. Plague on both their houses. Either split the difference or give the plaintiff nothing. Third case, well who knew that a landlord could be shown to be so completely in the right by the idiocy of the privileged tenants? That's a hella rent to begin with, to those of us outside NYC, so you can't be too poor, and then you do interior remodeling for your own convenience, install a security system, keep a safe, stiff them on the rent, and have no shame about any of it? Just pass your responsibilities on to the landlord since they must be rolling in it?

Dead grandma vs plucky pigtailed ex-con... so easy to predict who would win from that alone. Fuck the food--hell, they had dueling bread puddings.