WindyNights

I think Jon and Daenerys are having sex so they can bond with each other so when one of them has to sacrifice the other it'll be more tragic. GRRM sterilized Daenerys and (seemingly) Jon for a reason. So look forward to no one on the throne or King Edric/Gendry.

What are his actions? He swung a sword around really well. He was a terrible general though.

It won't be. The Valonquar prophecy is about her little brother strangling her to death. She survives her pregnancy

GRRM says that Gandalf comes back improved so he acknowledges that he's changed but he's still Gandalf. GRRM is saying he fixed that with his characters who aren't the same when they come back from death. They are missing huge aspects of who they originally once were so it wouldn't be fair to call them the same character. LS is not Cat, the Lightning Lord is not Beric and UnJon is likely not to be Jon.

They didn't. It's just not mentioned. It's a mystery without a resolution in the show.

The Jon and Dany one is so cringeworthy

Guys, he's literally addressed this. He's not complaining about resurrection. He's complaining about characters coming back from the dead the same or improved like Gandalf the White did and would've preferred if Tolkien had left him dead as a result. And he's said that it's different with his characters because they come back as less and they're not even the same characters in some ways. GRRM: I do think that if you're bringing a character back, that a character has gone through death, that's a transformative experience. Even back in those days of Wonder Man and all that, I loved the fact that he died, and although I liked the character in later years, I wasn't so thrilled when he came back because that sort of undid the power of it. Much as I admire Tolkien, I once again always felt like Gandalf should have stayed dead. That was such an incredible sequence in Fellowship of the Ring when he faces the Balrog on the Khazad-dûm and he falls into the gulf, and his last words are, "Fly, you fools." What power that had, how that grabbed me. And then he comes back as Gandalf the White, and if anything he's sort of improved. I never liked Gandalf the White as much as Gandalf the Grey, and I never liked him coming back. I think it would have been an even stronger story if Tolkien had left him dead. My characters who come back from death are worse for wear. In some ways, they're not even the same characters anymore. The body may be moving, but some aspect of the spirit is changed or transformed, and they've lost something. One of the characters who has come back repeatedly from death is Beric Dondarrion, The Lightning Lord. Each time he's revived he loses a little more of himself. He was sent on a mission before his first death. He was sent on a mission to do something, and it's like, that's what he's clinging to. He's forgetting other things, he's forgetting who he is, or where he lived. He's forgotten the woman who he was once supposed to marry. Bits of his humanity are lost every time he comes back from death; he remembers that mission. His flesh is falling away from him, but this one thing, this purpose that he had is part of what's animating him and bringing him back to death. I think you see echoes of that with some of the other characters who have come back from death.

Here's the problem with Show Tyrion: he's boring. He'a one of the main characters and he doesn't have a story arc anymore in the show. He's just there. I mean where does his belief in Daenerys stem from? How did she make him believe in life again? They only had like a couple scenes together before. He's pretty much the same character he was in season 1. There is no change. He's maybe slightly softer now. Even his quips aren't funny anymore. He's just neutered. whoever said he was Varys 2.0 was right

Not really. D & D don't care about Dorne. They wrote the Dornish sub-plot to keep Indira Varma on for season 5. They loved her and crammed in Dorne at the last minute as a result

From the leaks, I don't think any of this content is actually going to be in TWOW or ADOS. As the writers said, the show became its own thing apart from the books. I'm absolutely certain we're getting King Jon by TWOW although not in the terms presented like in the show where they re-enact Robb's kingship scene with him winning a battle but something more contested.

Eh. Well I guess this is show endgame speculation. But if they're still trying to recreate the ending of the books: No King Tyrion unless it's King of the Westerlands. Westeros loathes him and he has no real legitimacy to Westeros. Queen Sansa is only possible if Jon steps down, she marries or Jon dies. Arya's character arc isn't a political arc. Why would Jon go back to the Wall? He quit the NW and took the KITN position. Okay I see Daenerys dying. Davos as Hand of the King? Yeah, this seems unlikely. Stannis likes him a lot but as Tyrion's Hand? Nah. I mean that and KL is going to blow up. Will there be a King/Queen of Westeros in the end? I'll have to extrapolate from book Varys' story but Varys is an antagonist on par with LF. He's a dead man walking. Jaime is going to die. See: his book dream in ASOS right before he goes to rescue Brienne.

I think I disagree with most of these assertions and it's mostly because they're all cheap. Jaime x Brienne kissing before they die? Does that sound like something GRRM would write? Bad sex is one thing. Movie-level romance is another. Anyways I doubt Brienne is going to die and I don't think Jaime is going to get the chance to prove the hero or rather I think he's going to shut the door for that route when he chooses to murder Cersei and Robert Strong slays him afterwards. Davos isn't a warrior. He's likely to survive to the end. There's AGOT foreshadowing to Arya dying at the end in the midst of winter. Bran is likely to become the King in the North after Jon dies and I have a suspicion that he might be set up for bigger things politically speaking. No need for a Wall if the Others are destroyed for good. There won't be a KL to rule. Chekhov's Wildfire is going off. Thats a cringe-inducing ending though. I don't think Jon or Daenerys are going to make it. I don't think Tyrion will even make it.

I'm pretty sure he's made a joke about how he uses one finger to type

The Hound doesn't have an arc on the show. How is he different between season 1 and season 6? Arya should be dead from being knifed in the stomach. You don't survive those. Having her fall into a river would have her catch a life ending illness. Olenna has control over the Reach. She makes an alliance on the Reach's behalf with Ellaria and Daenerys Cersei says there are only two neclaces in the world like one she has. Myrcella has the other. But Joffrey gave Sansa that same necklace in season 1. Also it doesn't make sense about the SS sending a threat to kill Myrcella right before they do it Davos thinks Melisandre is the Mother of Demons. He hates her. It doesn't make sense for the character it just comes off as forced. Also why should he want to revive Jon and not Stannis or Shireen? Jon's crowning doesn't make narrative sense. Was Jon's season 6 arc the arc of a man proving himself to be a king? Or at least earning his crown? He did nothing to prove himself worthy of a crown in the Battle of the Bastards. He didn't have the charisma to gather a large enough force to fight Ramsay, he didn't have the cunning to outsmart Ramsay and he didn't have the ability to control himself to not fall for Ramsay's trap. Like he lost the battle. The Vale saved him. Ellaria's takeover doesn't make sense because she's a bastard unrelated to the Martells. She shouldn't be able to take control of Dorne. In fact, Dorne should be in a civil war over who their next leader should be same as the Reach. Stannis and Shireen's plotline doesn't make sense because season 6 Davos notes that they're camping at the same spot Stannis did and it's where he finds Shireen's doll but it's like a couple miles away from Winterfell. Wtf. 20 Good Men is lazy writing because it's entirely off-screen and was a device to get Stannis to burn Shireen. Not to mention that it doesn't make sense in the first place. Are you telling me that Ramsay has a crack ninja squad of 20 men who were able to navigate through an armed camp in a blizzard without any of them being caught? How? And how were they able to burn so many things? Did they bring barrels of lighter fluid with them too? It's hard to burn things in a blizzard after all. Cersei's crowning doesn't make sense because the entire city should be revolting against her. She has no legitimacy, she just blew up their very popular High Septon and a holy place and they hate her family already.

There are a ton of plot holes, bad characterization and lazy writing in the show. 20 good men Jon's crowning scene Stannis and Shireen Jon's resurrection aka have you ever tried resurrecting someone, Melly Myrcella's necklace Ellaria's takeover of Dorne Olenna's takeover of the Reach Cersei being queen The Lannisters getting super buffs for their army Arya being knifed, falling into the water, running all over Braavos and beating the Waif the Hound losing his book arc. Stagnant character etc

To be fair, that's how the Romans did things too. Julia the Elder and Julia the Younger

Eh. Not really true. Cersei genuinely loves her kids in the show hence all her monologues remembering her kids and she also loves them in the books. She's said that Joffrey sucking in her breasts for the first time was the best feeling any man had ever given her. And in AFFC, she sees Tommen coughing and thinks he's going to go the way of Joffrey and can't help herself from crying. GRRM says there's a case to be made that she loves her kids in a narcissistic way but it's still love.

Jon's definitely dying. Jon is even called the Corn King in the books. The Corn King is a story where a king is sacrificed so that winter ends and spring returns.

If true then Sansa probably has Harry the Heir's baby which means she'll have Ramsay's kid in the show.

Except it's not prophecy screwing with you. It'd just be a lie besides the Night's King doesn't exist in the books. It's likely that the NK took the evil dragonrider role from Euron and since this would need to involve killing a dragon unlike with Euron, it had the knock on effect of taking out the third dragonrider. Yeah I'm pretty sure that D & D knew from early on that Daenerys doesn't get to sit the Iron Throne ever.

Signs have been almost as blatant as R + L=J. Tyrion's dragon dreams, being as tall as a king, references to Tyrion being a gargoyle (Gargoyles are stone Dragons), Tyrion's unusual eyes and hair (white blonde and black hair and a green eye and a black eye), Aerys bring former lovers with Joanna, Aerys being in the same place as Joanna when Tyrion was conceived, Tyrion killing his mother in childbirth like the other two Targs (Jon and Dany), the only POV from AGOT that isn't a Stark or Targ, Moqorro seeing a vision of him in the middle of dragons, Tyrion's fascination with dragons etc. The third head of the dragon is either Tyrion or Bran. The show never ever alluded to the three heads of the dragons so they're not going to go for it.

Cleganebowl is a book thing that became a show thing too buuuut that's not going to pan out in the books. In the books, the Hound has given up being the Hound and is now at peace with himself living in a little monastery. The Hound mantle gets picked up by Rorge who later sacks Saltpans until he's killed by Brienne and then gets picked up by Lem. Lem is the new Hound that's traveling with the BwB but the show decided to bring Sandor back. The way the Hound's arc ends in the books makes it pretty final. The Hound that is Sandor Clegane is dead.

It kinda does because it's resurrection. Look at LS. And they ignored the rules of resurrection they established. Why didn't Jon change? Because he's a main character? And it doesn't help that GRRM is against all that. He's gone on record speaking out against this just like he's gone on record speaking out agains characters like Talisa. Jon didn't choose duty over what he wanted. He tried to help by doing what he wanted and because it was the best thing to do. He died because his minions were too small-minded. I'm not sure what the right and easy thing is? Saving Rickon? That's not a real struggle. He wants to save him.

The problem here is that even GRRM isn't sure of his ending. I'm going to quote George's friend Adam Whitehead on this: "Back in the Spring of 2013, David Benioff, Dan Weiss and Bryan Cogman visited George at home in Santa Fe. They sat down and said that they were looking at the TV show being a seven-or-eight season project and they realised they were in danger of overtaking the books. They wanted to come up with a hard-and-fast outline they could follow to the end of the series and wanted George's input based on his notes. George had given them a very rough outline of things before the show started, and they'd guessed R+L=J along with most of the rest of humanity, but they now needed harder details. It appears that George's response was, "Well, I don't know, exactly". He gave them the end-points for all the major characters, which he's known for years, and who will end up on the Iron Throne and the major plot beats that will take place leading up to that point, but he didn't know the fates of many minor or even fairly-major-but-still-secondary characters. He knew the fate of Dany, Jaime and Arya, but he didn't know the fate of, say, Bronn and characters of that level. And while he knew who'd win the civil war, the fate of the Others and what happened when Dany invaded Westeros, when it came to certain, more minor subplots, he didn't know how they'd pan out. He did know about Hodor though (a fan had actually guessed it years earlier as well, so George probably wasn't too fussed about that being released on TV). The result was that they did put together a new outline, but that outline was basically based on the stuff they'd established in the TV show and they weren't looking to introduce too much new stuff from the books that took them way off course from their requirement to end the show in 7 or 8 seasons, even if it was stuff George felt was important to the books: remember that George thought cutting Garlan Tyrell was a mistake, although even hardcore book fans didn't think that was too major a change compared to other things like Aegon and Storm's End and Stoneheart."

That's an interesting point because while I think they did do a good with showing Jon's internal struggles last season for once, they did a horrid job with showing the after-effects of his resurrection. In fact, I don't think there are any in the show. Everything talked about in the show is a consequence about being resurrection and that he was assassinated. Anyways I disagree heavily with season 5 Jon. They did an awful job with him. There is no love versus duty theme in that season for him like in the books. In the books, Jon has to contend with his feelings of hatred for Houses Bolton and Lannister, his desires to have Stannis win, his duty to guard the realms of men and his desire to save his sister. He ends up failing Aemon and chooses love over duty. Then he gets killed for it. That was all missing in the show. Jon's season 5 story was about a progressive leader that failed because his underlings were too xenophobic versus ADWD Jon who died because he picked being a Stark over being a Night's Watchman.