Crazy Bird Lady

I agree about the first three couples, for the most part: Iris & Keith will probably stay together at D-Day if Keith decides he's "all in" with Iris and ready to commit to a real-life marriage. Keith is too smart/'respectful' of her special status to "deflower" Iris sooner, and Iris unfortunately seems to interperet his patience as rejection --so we'll see what happens. Deonnna & Greg are boring to me -and they may not last out a year- but I do think they'll choose to stay together at D-Day. And I hope Elizabeth and/or Jamie choose divorce; if they stay together it would be horrible. ...But I'm hoping Matt & Amber will end it, too. One/both of them need to stop".

You'd think so, wouldn't you? I'm married to a genius with a Masters' in Math, who is also excellent at astronomy/physics and good at languages, history, English Grammar & extended vocabulary, etc. etc. Believe me, you'd get really tired of him Greg talking about Math! 🙄

You made some very good points. Sure, people are gonna snark on the color or condition of a MAFS participant's hair, the sound of their voice, the language they use, the way they dance, the clothes they wear, their housekeeping/cooking skills, and/or how much "work" they've had done -especially if it's on their boobs (or not). That's taken for granted, and we're welcome to snark away here (or not). I'm fine with that. But when we see fights that (even on-camera!) go below-the-belt and/or rip away chunks of a spouse's sense of self --or self-worth-- that stuff gets to me. These couples risk serious damage to their long-term mental health! The worst thing is: I honestly think some of these MAFS participants suffer from the delusion that the so-called MAFS "experts" actually do try to find compatible matches, (not matching couples for maximum TV drama) and that "the experts" follow-up with assignments and obligatory "couples games" and other activities to try to help the couples work out whatever problems they encounter along the way. Unfortunately -at least in my opinion- the "experts" do everything but.

Maybe he will. To tell you the truth, it would please me to see him hauled away to jail for murdering her....,,,,,,, that just might be what it takes to get these so-called "experts" to stop pairing couples like "Mr. Picky" and "The Free Spirit". I enjoy trying to analyze these relationships and why things work and why they don't, etc. --but I do not enjoy watching people inflict terrible emotional pain on each other.

Well said, Snackycakes. The topic of "Who is worse: Jamie or Elizabeth?" will never be solved here on PRIMETIMER. A lot of women here seem to think Elizabeth is way worse than Jamie, no matter what. [Maybe it's because they don't like the color of her hair or the sound of her voice or the language she uses or the way she dances (shudder!) Maybe it's the clothes she wears or her risque nighties. Maybe it's because she never got a boob job to make her girls "perky" instead of saggy. Or maybe it's simply because she's messy.] Maybe they feel like a woman telling her man he's boring in bed is the worst possible thing ever, much worse than than a man who thinks before he speaks, but nonetheless insults and belittles his wife because she's supposedly working for her father -and he does that over and over, long after she's apologized for what she said that angered him originally, and even after she had (tearfully) asked him to leave the room and just let her be alone for a while. Most people commenting here seem to feel that Elizabeth telling Jamie he's boring in bed is worse than Jamie calling her a c*nt. But it really doesn't matter what any of us think about who hurt whom the most with all those insults, or which of them is most at fault. What really matters is that these two people should never have been paired together as a couple, and the sooner they get away from each other, the better!!

In my (unlikely) speculative scenario, she wouldn't have been more than 7-8 weeks along, and probably could've gotten by with the swimsuit at that point. But as I said, all of this is pure speculation.

There have been a few people speculating Deonna could be pregnant, and that's why she wears those loose/concealing clothes and hasn't shown up on Jamie's "Unfiltered". RaeSpellman was commenting up-thread on what the timing would *have* to be (assuming Greg is the father). I just pointed out that Deonna has been quite vague about her history of "situationships," including when or how long ago they happened, so... I speculated that could be a different [but unlikely] possibility. 🤨

It's possible... I hope not. I agree it's unlikely that Greg got her preggers on his birthday. But Deonna apparently gets involved in "situationships" that get 'complicated' -- and she's been quite vague about the history of those. (Being pregnant would definitely be a "complication"!!) It's even possible that if Deonna had 'situationship' sex 2+ weeks before her "marriage" to Greg (before she knew that the "experts" had chosen her) she might not have known it until after she 'tied the knot' --but she could be starting to show when they filmed "Unfiltered".

How about: (4) all of the above.

"Sneery"! Someone finally came up with an appropriate nickname for Jamie, to go with Big Red (Beth)!

Since it was a "talking head," I assume it was not made at that same moment and it probably wasn't made in the same room. I hope they never see each other again!

No, but apparently he can call Elizabeth a "c*nt" and get her to walk out, instead, while threatening divorce if she does so. That way, Jamie gets to be the "good guy" who did what The Great Dr. Pepper said.

Very well said, Sterling. This couple should never have been paired.

The so-called "experts" should never have considered matching "Mr, Picky" with "The Free Spirit" in the first place. I agree; Jamie definitely called Elaizabeth a "c*nt". She was right to leave. I would have, too. You've got that right, MajorNelson. Jamie thinks before he speaks, unlike Elizabeth. And that, of course, means he meant to call Beth a "c*nt". Jamie meant to hurt Beth so much that she froze and was emotionally devastated.

He's not right, either. Most women would notice those things about the wedding photographs, they just wouldn't verbalize it. Elizabeth doesn't think before she speaks. Jamie, on the other hand, does think before he speaks. And he still gets very nasty sometimes, even though what he says is thought out, not spur-of-the-moment emoting.

This is still hurricane season... and has been for a couple of months. It would have been better to go to N. O. in winter.

AJ resented all the "production" aspects of the show, and he spoke out against their hypocracy and all the manipulations "for the cameras" that these MAFS couples are subject to. Very well explained! Thanks for sharing these personal insights, Desert Rat. As the "spoiled baby" of my family, I made lots of mistakes -especially ones that involved my leap to "adulting". I would never have been tempted to go on MAFS, though --I wasn't that bold. I shudder at the thought of my youthful missteps being broadcast to a TV audience.

For a relatively new watcher, you certainly seem to have good insights, Topanga.

I'm guessing Elizabeth has no interest in talking about Jamie, either.

The fact that Jamie literally accused Elizabeth of "making excuses" not to have sex with him when he wanted it, makes it clear that's all he wants from her. (For whatever it's worth, I think Beth was on her period, then Jamie probably talked her into having sex before her period was completely over, and she ended up getting a UTI. ) But NO woman, ever, should need to make "excuses" for not choosing to have sex. ...It doesn't matter who the man is or what he is to her. To try to get her to have sex when they were angry, Jamie even said, "I think sex is the one thing that's working in our relationship." ... RUN, Elizabeth, RUN --and never look back over your shoulder!!

Jamie literally told Elizabeth, "I think sex is the one thing that's working in our relationship." Elizabeth was going to leave that shared apartment and get away for the night to think. (Jamie had done much the same the previous night --but The Great Dr. Pepper said it was a 'no-no,' and Jamie threatened Elizabeth with divorce if she left.) Elizabeth absolutely should have left!!

When I went from (temporary) abstainance to having sex 3-8 times per night, I got a lot of UTI's. [Doctors call this "honeymoon cystitis".] Thankfully, when I had the UTI's, my now-hubby was quite undertanding. Jamie, on the other hand, obviously is not. Dr. Pepper is no longer their official "sex expert" for a reason. She sucks at it! No woman who is feeling sad and miserable about her spouse and the way he's treating her, is eager to hop right back into bed with him --at least, not unless she's accustomed to being sexually abused.

Actually, that's why I'm not as mad at Beth as most posters here seem to be. At first Jamie sarcastically pretended to have a 'serious' personal discussion about her work status, which he probably already knew was a very big trigger point for Beth. Beth originally responded with anger --but then after Jamie left for the night and came back the next day with those lame (almost insulting) flowers, and then again laid into Beth about her work situation (using some rather ugly words like "lazy," etc.) --and then, even after Jamie had *instantly* polished off his beer [which must have been off-camera, during which other very ugly things were surely said], Elizabeth brought up a criticism of something sensitive that had obviously been bothering her --Jamie's rather inept skills at giving a woman sexual pleasure. Neither topic was discussed in a therapeutic, constructive way.

I recall being quite amused by a top-headline survey of favorite sex positions, proclaiming that caucasians still preferred "missionary position" for intercourse, but among African' Americans sex with the man behind was more popular. [I don't recall the source, only that it was top headline.]