Crazy Bird Lady

Thanks, Jassie, for expressing this so well. You nailed it! And yes, they'll probably stay together at D-Day. Jamie is a straight-up manipulative bastard. Did you notice that when Elizabeth went to visit that trashy plot of land that once was her childhood trailer home, and she was in tears - Jamie was smirking while he drove away?! In the "get-together" meetings with friends and family, Elizabeth's father wasn't around... Of course I realize he works hard and can't go visit his daughter on a whim. But -on TV- I haven't even seen Beth call him! So I don't know if "they are real on the show. No secrets or agreements what to show on or off the camera." ...I mean, it could be that production is "editing" stuff out, saving the "Daddy Dearest" story line for last-minute (-ta-ta-TUM!) big drama ... But otherwise, I'm concerned that Jamie has successfully manipulated Elizabeth into being afraid to talk to her own parents. Like most spousal abusers, the first horrible thing Sneery did was decide to keep Beth away from her father (his 'rival') as much as possible. He ridiculed her for working for her father, making Elizabeth too embarrassed to contact her family.

I don't think so. I think Raven is her very good friend who happens to be gay. I just read, upthread, that Raven had also applied to be part of MAFS. If that's the case (and Raven prefers women) --either they're "friendly" exes, or Humble is absolutely right.

Taking into consideration that the "experts" usually ask the most 'biddable' one to choose first, I'm going with: Greg -yes; Deonna - Probably yes -but it depends on whether she thinks Greg's been 'good'. Jamie -yes, because she's the "best he can get"; Elizabeth -it depends on her mood. Amber - yes; Matt - no. Iris -yes; Keith -probably no, unless something really changes in their sexual situation.

My guess is, his sister "distanced herself" from Matt.

It's mostly (3), with a generous splash of (1) tossed in for finesse.

Elizabeth to Jamie (after their discussion with Dr. New Sexologist): "I'm sorry I was so mean to you." And they hug. Wrong!! You do not tell your wife, "Shut up!!" Jamie is the one who should be apologizing.

The only good thing I have to say about Matt is that he "stood up" for Beth when Jamie 'ordered' her to "SHUT UP!!"

I don't know , GoneCrackers-- I smell rotting fish. Something is very 'fishy'!

Still no Deonna on "Unfiltered"!

My predictions for tonght's show: Iris's mother will be the big attraction, with her huge, friendly, frank personality. Keith will do his best to keep his distance from her (--because there are definitely some things he doesn't want to discuss in her presence)! But Iris's mother will prevail, and Iris's (other) "big secret" will be revealed. [Cue "Hall of the Mad Mountain King" here:] Jamie & Elizabeth will have at least one huge fight, with lots of f-bombs and b-words c-words and maybe s-words. Then (of course) they'll have make-up sex, probably after "expert" intervention. Greg will be happy around family, and Deonna might even get turned-on enough by that to permit sex again. Matt won't be able to come up with any close family members, and will most likely get into a fight with Amber's twin and/or other family members (which will probably be the only reason Amber declares they aren't having sex for a minute or two...)

...which is, I think, the reason that couple is still together. I never thought they should divorce on D-Day, personally, because there was obviously love between them and they enjoyed each other's company. ___________________________________________________________ But that was last season. Jamie & Beth, and Mat & Amber, should already have "opted out". There is no "happily ever after" in the future for either of those couples.

Yes, it is! Apparently, they have a (shared) social media page (I don't remember where, but it's open to public followers).

This is what Jamie needs to hear from Elizabeth:

Jamie has absolutely no language filter when his pent-up rage boils over. Elizabeth simply doesn't seem to believe in language filters.

Sorry, but I have to compare this to training my birds. Birds will do the same annoying things, over and over and over. The only way to make it stop is to ignore it, because what they want is attention. Deonna seems 'put off' by all Greg's attempts to get her attention (especially sexually). The thing is, you can't make someone who is seeking attention stop it by responding to them in any way -because that's giving them attention! You have to wait until they aren't doing what you don't want them to do, and then (without mentioning the 'bad' behavior at all) praise/compliment them and do nice things for them that you know they want you to do. Personally, I wouldn't be treating Greg that way. I think Greg's complements and his hopeful, gentle-but-eager attempts to seduce Deonna are endearing. And I love his obvious sincerity about wanting their relationship to last. Greg needs to work on his tendency to "talk over her" -I can see how that would be annoying- but in general, I don't think Deonna knows how amazingly lucky she is. Thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of women would want to be in her shoes --and if Deonna chooses "divorce", Greg certainly won't have a problem getting dates!!

Unfortunately, it's also possible that someone (maybe a step-father/"Uncle") molested Iris as a child ...However, if her mom knows about it, I just don't see her telling Iris: "You just need to go ahead and rip off that Band-Aid".

😌 Sounds like a *great* idea to me. ...And if you turned on the captions for the deaf, you could even "quote" the important things they say. That would be awesome! 😊 I really don't like that they've buried the previews in that loser "Married to a Millionaire" show... I really like to catch the previews, but not enough to watch that boring show. 😴

If Amber caught on to that and threw Matt out, then yes --maybe he'd come crawling back, and maybe she could more-or-less control his (disgusting) behavior by providing sex when he's a "good boy" and refusing it otherwise. But why would she even want to do that?! Matt is a log of fecal matter in (very long and tall) human form. Matt isn't worthy of Amber, who, despite her (desperately) low self-esteem and her obcessed-fan worship of Matt (for playing basketball), seems like a reasonably good person at heart.

Of course Deonna can respond to Greg any way she wants to. And if her response is a stone-faced, dry-eyed, monotone "I know that story must have been hard for you to share with me," followed by Deonna staring off into space without even decreasing the distance between the two of them --then that's her response. But Greg is also going to react to her response in some kind of way... and I just can't imagine any world in which her response would have made Greg feel all warm and fuzzy and embraced by a sense of deep, shared understanding.

Exactly! Jamie even said something to the effect of, "She's probably the best wife I'll ever find" --which was an extremely self-centered remark, but Jamie is at least as self-centered as Elizabeth; he's just better at convincing himself (and others) that he's not. "Big Red" is pretty straightforward; "Sneery" deflects all blame onto others. That was made crystal clear when he "apologized" to Beth, and then objected to her saying she didn't want him to continue doing what he had just apologized to her for --his crazy, out-of-control, abusive angry rage attacks on her! But it's 'whatever'... because both idiots decided to CONTINUE that crap anyway.

OH --and Matt absolutely is a cheating, lying, two-faced scoundrel! He's a lying liar who lies, and doesn't even do it well.

So, Keith & Iris: I think the "sexy time" with the paint is 'too little, too late' for those two. Iris would have to prove to Keith that she's the best BJ expert he's ever known for him to stay with her "till death do us part". Greg & Dionna: I was really touched by what Greg shared with her about his father and mother's relationship, especially when he said he would never want to break Dionna's heart like his mother's was. I believed him --but Dionna didn't respond to that in any kind of normal way. All she did was say that she knew that story must have been hard for him to share with her. After seeing that, I've become very pessimistic for their chances of long-term success. Jamie & Elizabeth: Both were wishy-washy about staying together. But if either one of them had any sense at all, they would already have split up. Matt & Amber: I hadn't realized quite how slimy Matt is before this. ...And he's not just an awful singer (like Beth said!) -- he's a terrible actor, too! I can't believe he tried to BS Pastor Cal, pretending "everything was going just fine"... Obviously, those two should no longer be together.

🤣 ...The look on Jamie, Elizabeth, and Keith's faces as they watch Matt 'perform" his version of Diamonds and Pearls... I just caan't! 😳

*Still* no Deonna on "Unfiltered"... Just Elizabeth and Keith. I wonder what Big Red will have to say about "Everything But..."

Empress, that's why I'd really like to find out exactly what is in those secret contracts that all MAFS participants have to sign. It seems pretty clear (to me) that the contracts contain some rather severe penalties for quitting "early". But, if certain posters up-thread are correct, they may have decided to add a new 'option' that would allow some couples (exceptionally disasterous couples like 'Puke' & Kate, and 'Sneery' & 'Big Red') to quit after one month. I hope it's true!