Anna Yolei

Truly it is. I thought Bridget's Madame X phase was cringeworthy but I'll at least give the writers credit for having her take some steps in earning that by submitting her designs anonymously to Jackie M without coasting on her name. RJ barely even seems interested in designing and everyone is trying to shove a pen in his hand. Indeed. This is a company that consistently wastes time and money on their own petty squabbles. Remember when Ridge was so livid about Amber having a line at FC that he called all the boutiques to embargo them like FC was Cuba and the line had to be sold on QVC? Or the time Stephanie fired everyone to hire Taylor and Thorne, either of whom had any ability to design, to restore "dignity" to FC? Or that time where, after they stupidly waited till the last possible moment to have a courier run a payment by hand, allowing Bill to buy up the company, they decided the best course of action to get the company back was to purposely tank their next line so he'd have to sell FC back? Ain't none of them would've been shit if Eric hadn't impregnated got married to the right rich woman that funded his vision, so they can all go hang.

While true, I gotta go with these two: And sure, she shouldn't want anything to do with Thomas either, but even his half-assed attempts at "change" that TIIC waiver back and forth on is still more self growth than Sheila has managed in three damn decades. As far as Hope knows,he's not a murderer and until another EP not related to Bell takes over, we'll never revisit the Emma killing so Hope is making the most informed decisions that she can with what she's working on.

I mean, even if I felt an ounce of sympathy for Flo's life being inconvenienced for five minutes (versus the entire YEAR Hope and Liam lost with their child), any karma due to her has been paid with interest being stuck between the shitty ass Newman brothers. Next to maaaaybe Thomas, no character has ever been propped as hard as Flo Fulton.

Speaking of which, if Sally ever does return, I'd love seeing her with Finn. Wyatt will never deserve to breath the same oxygen as her for that shit with Flo and Liam is...well, Liam. It gives Bell a triangle and one where the conclusion is not a forgone conclusion.

Exactly. And while Hope didn't lose years with her mother due to her actions and would try to be more understanding of Finn's turmoil than Steffy, I don't see even this more pushover version of Hope reaching across the aisle to welcome Sheila into their lives. If Sheila wants to be rid of Steffy, she couldn't have picked a worse way to make that happen than pushing her son towards her long time rival, and a Logan no less. Yeah, I don't see how Thomas has anything to do with Deacon either and Deacon as far as we know is in his right mind choosing to marry her. Sheila isn't above intentionally harming kids to get her way. I don't see Thomas killing kids to get his way, his abuse of Douglas notwithstanding.

In fairness, the Forresters are all weirdos that no one with a lick of sense should want to see their children hanging with.

Also, didn't they already do this Taylor the model thing once before? You know, when Stephanie had her New and Improved™ (LOL) FC for a few months after she learned Eric had hidden the trust from her? And it was an unmitigated disaster. Given what I saw of him when Sheila had him captive I think so too, but you know we'll never get to see any of it with the writing being what it is.

You're not wrong, but my immediate thoughts went to this: ...because Bell has no originality at all and I know he didn't learn a damn thing from the Brooke/Nick/Taylor triangle from 2006. Not being Liam hasn't worked to sell me on Sinn when he's as flat as cardboard and it won't work here either unless TPTB are at long last investing in making him an actual character & not a prop with the addition of his family. It worked for Maya and that was a character I actively despised when they did it for her, so....I'm game to see where it goes. My preference would be they stay friends for a while but I may as well give Santa my color preference for a unicorn than wish for that. I will say for as right as he is on Thomas, everything he said goes 1000 percent for Sheila. Thomas HAS had one moment in time where he wasn't a complete slag and seemed to understand the damage he caused, which is more than I can say for Sheila, who has been doing this shit since I was literally in kindergarten (I'm 90 percent certain I was put in afternoon kindergarten so she could watch Y&R, but I digress lol)

I don't mind because at least then we'll be getting closure for his story and if they could kill off Stephanie, Eric ain't safe either. I feel like TPTB didn't kill off Sally because the character was so larger than life. I can see the vision with that, but it never gave us the opportunity to celebrate the character either. Plus, if TIIC hadn't been so short sighted to kill Aly less than A YEAR before the revival of Spectra Fashions, Sally dying and leaving half her company to Aly and CJ could've opened up so many more avenuesof stories, especially in light of Rick and Maya's dictatorship where Aly got bullied worse than Ridge. You know, who fucked his wife. :\ But I digress.

I don't get it either. If she was a grifter, she couldve had Thomas at the drop of a hat at any point in the last four years. Where was all this hand wringing when Thomas was going to sig away his custody of Douglas for sex? As it happens, on on the S6 playlist on YT right now right after their famous St Thomas vacation and it is so blatantly obvious that Ridge was using her as a mess to an end to protect his dad and give him a chance to work things out with Brooke. And while I think Brooke should've went about her business then too, Taylor the World Renown Therapist® should have seen that for the bullshit scheme that it was. She willingly has settled for a man with divided loyalty from literally day one and only ever gets him when someone (usually Stephanie, but now her worthless children) puts their thumb on the scale. Everything you said about Brooke is spot on. I'd be lying if I said I have been a fan of hers since I started watching, but the extent of her "scheming" to get Ridge was her random--and admittedly very sus--visit to meet Caroline while she recovered from fainting at her wedding and hiding a letter for a day--and Thorne was the one who suggested it to her in the first place! Same. They're adults and as awful as his sins against Hope have been, it is her decision to move past it and she absolutely has (to my permanent chagrin, but no use continuing to bitch about that). Brooke's gotta accept that Hope doesn't see him as the devil incarnate and Taylor's gotta trust that the 20 minutes of therapy she gave him before declaring him sane stuck this time. Tough titties to them both 🤷‍♀️ Although it would be a little funny if Taylor and Brooke finding out the other was against the union is the thing that pushes them into supporting their kids once and for all.

??? Hope's body count (for lack of a better term because I hate that phrase IRL) can be counted on one hand and the only marriage she "destroyed" Liam walked away from months before she came back to LA. Where the hell was this energy four years ago when Thomas was ready to sell his kid for one night of sex with Hope?! I will give them that one...it's nice to see Hope dressing appropriately and not in he clown outfits they had for her two years ago.

Given her history of doing exactly that towards Hope and even Bridget at times, it's not exactly unearned. Still, I never would've put money on her being more calm about this than Brooke overall.

Out of all the things that have been baffling to me in the last few years, this one is at the top of the list, and considering Thope's continued existance that's saying a lot. Like, the dude was THERE in town when Sheila shot at Brooke when Hope was barely 3 months old and probably would've killed her if Taylor didn't intervene. I don't get it....crazy women can't be THAT great at sex, right?

This is the same show that had Thomas and Steffy calling Eric by his first name and not Grandpa while Taylor was dating him ten years ago, mind you. I'd respect the show more if they will lean in to its weirdo premise rather than pretend all of this is normal.

Far be it from me to discourage anyone from reading Liam for the weasel he is, but Finn has earned this separation fair and square on his own merits. Steffy could've been way more forceful for in shutting Lameass down but she has not been nearly as ready to pounce on him as she has been in the past so I dunno what Finn thinks beating his chest is going to accomplish. At this point he's just as stupid as Liam.

Sad to say, it'll be the same old shit that every kid on B&B has: that their parents are the bestest people in the whole world and that their parents belong with one another. I bet he'll be partaking in his own parent trapping because if Scott Clifton is still on the show, you know Hope will have ended up back with him by then. Now, if it was any other soap opera, it would have very much been must see TV. I mentioned earlier how even in the very darkest days of ATWT that the writing for the teens was top notch and that their parents' bad decisions played a big part in their character, either because of their own and off marriage (ie Parker and Faith), being extremely controlling (all of Barbara Ryan's kids,but most specific to Will,who literally poisoned a woman to stop a wedding between her and his brother, and the resultant institutional stay affected ever aspect of his life after that), or just being able to be shits because of their parents being in positions of power (Margo's son, one who was arrested for gambling and the other an actual rapist). If Douglas doesn't end up hating the Logans like the rest of his family, that will be a minor miracle in and of itself.

From the season 1 and 2 episodes I watched, I assume it was bc he wanted to maintain a close proximity to Caroline. But I agree with the sentiment. Felicia had the right idea to move to the other side of the world when she turned 18.

Out of curiosity, were David and Sheila on Y&R at the same time? 👀 I don't know much about the guy, but from what I heard, he was a legendary villain who faked his death to get back an Nina, who had figured out he married her for her money or something.

One thing I can say for ATWT during it's death spiral is for all the absolute terrible stories their 30+ year old adult characters go, ther teen scenes were carrying that show between Luke/Noah, the friendship group w Will, Gwen, Casey and Maddie and Parker & Faith, neither of whom had. much patience for their respective parents' on-and-off bullshit. Those two in particular were the only thing that made some episodes tolerable. Also, Parker and Faith weren't much older than Douglas when they were commenting on the stupidity of their parents' dysfunction, yet B&B ridiculously has every child on this show aged 5 to 55 always and without exception pushing their parents together, no matter the heinous things that have happened. A literal toddler like Hayes is one thing: 40-something Thorne and Felicia (who was once a beacon of sense in the 90s during Stephanie's first split from Eric!) is a whole different thing entirely.

Brooke's had her moments well before his towards Rick but even the worst of it was nowhere near as intrusive as she is towards Hope. And much like when she was banging her drum against Quinn to Eric, her two minutes hate against Thomas has got way too damn repetitive and boring. WE GET IT, HE'S THE DEVIL. I will never be Team Thope but either devise a scheme to split them up or shut your pie hole. The yapping is getting to be too much.

Not only that, but she had an entire bedroom set in her office that she had for the purpose of seducing Ridge, but may have conceived Hope there instead.

A Morgan and Sheila team up could prove to be fun and I'd be here for it.

TBH, I didn't even think the show was going to last long enough for Steffy and Hope to have kids after the glut of shows that got axed between '07 and 2012. I have the sense that if TPTB could replace the 90 minutes that B&B and Y&R occupies with something far cheaper, CBS would've done so already. Still, given the ongoing strikes, I won't be shocked if the show is cancelled sooner rather than later and much like I felt when ATWT ended, it'll be just as deserved, if not more so.

Well, B&B's loss is GH's gain on that score. And talk about B&B fumbles! My God, they revived Felicia from the dead almost solely due to her popularity, had Kay win what was once a very rare acting aware for this show, only to have her and Thorne whine about Mommy and Daddy's marriage two years later. Just ugh.

To be honest, it gives vibes to when Phoebe Forrester was brought on in '06 as the sole teenager on the show. She had nothing to do beyond helping Taylor cover up for Darla's death and then she was put in a relationship with Rick, was was a totally inappropriate choice for so many reasons. This was as Bridget (then in her mid 20s) was spending all her time with Nick, who was in his forties and looked 60. At the time, I was absolutely stunned as to how these idiots were running the show but now, such decisions are known as "Tuesday." I didn't think they would force anything more ridiculous as Bridget's Madame X stint at Jackie M but this truly takes the cake. Thomas has been working towards being a designer since RJ was still a seed in his daddy's ballsack. He's also got his aunts Kristen and Felicia who are designers in their own right and Zende who ALL should be called in before RJ, who has never sketched so much as a stick figure, much less a couture gown.