Anna Yolei

One thing I'll give Victor is that it took decades for him to get the ass pat coddling that Steffy has managed to start getting within the same decade of joining B&B. And Victor at his absolute worst is a more interesting character than little rich princess Steffy could ever hope to be. Truly, if this is all Taylor is going to do, I wish they'd just let her die a dignified death with any scrap of self respect she may have had (and from my rewatch through mid season 8, she wasn't working with much even on a good day) Sacrificing Hope's character to prop Steffy isn't entertaining, and neither is sacrificing Taylor to give Bridge drama because Susan Flannery won't do cameos to have Stephanie's ghost meddle from beyond the grave.

Well shit, how the hell could she ever let go knowing that there was someone always waiting in the wings? I mean, the whole reason she even lost her virginity to the fucker was at Brooke's suggestion to stick it to Steffy and take away her power. Then again, Wyatt was laying it down and she left him, so 🤷‍♀️ As anyone who has grown up in any strictly religious community can tell you, the minute kids who had rigid rules get a taste of freedom, they will more often than not go absolutely overboard. Hope spent her teens and 20s making up for Brooke and Deacon's bad judgement and now she's making up for lost time as she's approaching 40. You cannot skip developmental markers. They may happen out of order, but happen they will and it seems like Hope is going to adolescence at an age where many are getting their first mammograms.

Well, not that head she's thinking of ;) This, too. The way she's been acting, I'm surprised she hasn't called up Thomas to offer him her stock in Forrester (does she have any?) to come back and woo Hope. My God, I hate the Marones but when Brooke gets all pearl clutch-y about she she wrote the book on, I sincerely can't even. Worry about your own louse waffle husband and that bitter shrew he keeps entertaining. Except that the only place Steffy ever seem interested in burying a hatchet with Hope or anyone else is in their back. I mean, isn't her supposed schtick about making Forrester Creations for Forresters only? Why wouldn't she call a truce with her blood cousin, one who also had her own issues with Hope in the past and whose line has proven to make money?! Steffy's decision making is giving Elon Musk buying Twitter to spite the ex-wife and trans daughter who longer speaks to him.

Among many other things, I just hate that Steffy is so DULL in her pettiness. You had your bitch on wheel types in the past like Jill Abbott and Diane on Y&R but they were fun to watch, even if you didn't root for them necessarily. But Steffy just has no joy in ANYTHING she does and even when she gets everything she wants, she's not happy. If Brooke had gotten with Deacon and he hadn't been married to her stepdaughter, Stephanie would not have cared less about getting involved, as one example, but even there you felt that her motivation wasnt just spite over Brooke but genuine concern for Bridget's well being and protecting her and a then unborn Hope even was more important than slut shaming. But Steffy has none of that. At all. I don't think she's a complete sociopath like Phyllis Summers who left her son to hang to side with the rapist who got herself pregnant against his will, but I certainly could see her Logan Derangement Syndrome taking over at the expense of her own children. Wouldn't it be a nice change if Kelly breaks the cycle with Beth and they have an actual close relationship (or at least fights over anything else other than a Temu version of their worthless father and grandfather)?

I feel like we had a wacky Halloween episode last year too? At this point, I'll take anything thats not focused on Queen Steffy, even if it's Sheila. She's overstayed her welcome for me but we see her once a month at least.

So apparently, Electra isn't Jessica's brat but some other reconned son of John's that's never been mentioned before. Setting up potential love interest for Hope down the road when he comes to LA eventually? 👀

I won't hold the boring sins of the mother against this kid. This being modern B&B, I'm sure they will create new reasons for us to go bored of her by her own merits. Speaking of which, anyone wanna take bets on how long it'll take for all the guys on the show to start praising her as the bestest intern they ever had at the company and how wonderful her virtues are? Because they ALWAYS do this for new girls on this show.

Her niece, actually. Ivy's never been in the same room as her much older sister Jessica, who was a character whose run was back in the mid 90s and (at least at the place I'm at in my watch of early B&B in season 8) the biggest Mary Sue ever. And I hate using that term because Star Wars fandom have ruined that for everyone. She's also not the type who I'd ever think would name her kid Electra. Maybe her father had a hand in that. "hidden" is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence because homegirl never shuts up about her hatred of Brooke and Hope and all things Logan EVER. Hope has (for now) moved on from Finn, the thing Steffy told her to do on the threat of killing her line, and she's STILL pissed. I had some modicum of sympathy for her in 2010 when it was very obvious Katie was pushing Hope up in her pissing contest with Steffy (that Katie should've taken out on her grown ass husband instead of using her niece as a pawn and setting her up for the lifetime of misery that's followed as a direct consequence of that action) and she was a peon in her own family's company. But she's not that anymore and hasn't been for a long time now. The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

"Kinda nice" is doing heavy lifting. "A miracle I thought I'd never live to see" would be more fitting ;) I'm certain this thing with Hope & Carter is a stop-gap to gentle parent the fans into a Lope reunion but if we must get that tripe again? Let Liam actually work for it this time.

All of this. I could've been fine with Liam leaving Hope had he had kept the focus on what Thomas did to their children and being confused at her behavior instead of self righteously indignant and had his bags packed before Hope had even gotten home. It's a pattern with him though cuz yeah, Steffy fucking her FIL isn't great, but at the end of the day she likely would not have if Liam didn't kiss a woman while thinking he was dying--one he was very much trying to play hero to even if they thankfully did not get so far as sex. And while Steffy is so awful that I didn't give a shit at the time, he had absolutely zero self reflection there either. But somehow, when Hope was no longer the perfect woman needing saving, he found it within himself to forgive Steffy to spend the last year and a half chasing her, using the child who he was barely there for throughout the pregnancy (which I'm not unsympathetic to the fact that it was hard given Kelly could've been his half sister) to try to weasel in to come between her and Finn, boohooing that he made a mistake and he was always in love with her! 🙃 I sincerely cannot believe anyone thinks this fool is capable of love any more than Ridge is. I only feel sorry for his daughter's because he's such a spineless jellyfish that their inevitable waffle boyfriend they spend the next thirty years fighting over will laugh in his face and treat him like the joke the way Ridge and Thomas do when he tries to puff his chest up at him. While Hope doesn't for sure know anything about that, she already knew the day he came with divorce papers that he'd already run to her and he didn't do much to deny it. But she has not looked his way once since July 2023 and she doesnt seem to want it now. I suspect that won't last long, because Carter can never have nice things, but if Lope has to get back together, let the little puke earn it for once. Why indeed. I'm beginning to believe those Taylor stans that they really do hate the character bc why write her like this? I mean, even beyond her baseline patheticness that's always been there even in the character's hacyon days?

Speaking of which, when WAS the last time Bridge were married? Not that they need to be but this time there would be a marriage to annul. I never thought they'd beat "Switching real body w a wax dummy just before death" out for the most stupid plot, but boy did they ever with this humdinger Great job, show 👏 Me neither. The minute they find a path back to Liam, it'll be over,most likely broken up off-screen. I'd rather get more invested in a new Netflix original, there are better odds that will last for a second season 😒

As kids can evolve and change rather quickly, I don't mind this. Kids ape their parents until they become teens and can get some better nuance that even good parents aren't perfect. Bill already has a mini-clone in Wyatt, who I know most people like but he's always pretty quick to be in Bill's corner when it suits him. Will might prove to be the best of both worlds with having the backbone Liam lacks and a moral compass that Wyatt has sometimes lacked in the past.

It may be a ruse but Will is new enough to the canvas that I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. As @KerleyQ pointed out, he's still handling this better than nearly-forty year old Steffy, who has been pulling this nonsense since before he was born and who I suspect is deranged enough to be pulling this when her own kids have kids. Like seriously tho, what IS the hold up? She didn't mind having a casual thing with Thomas for a year, so what's the problem here? He's single and available, he's not an abuser and other than the nonsense with Paris, he's proven to be loyal unlike her louse ex-husband. All green lights to go to pound town. 🤷‍♀️

Lord knows I'm not much here for Will's parent trapping either but it's at least in the realm of what a normal human being would say and unlike every other brat on this show, he has no illusions that Batie was some fairy tale torn asunder by Aunt Brooke. No doubt he'll have words for her in the future for the next Brill tease that is looming over the horizon when Ridge goes back to Taylor but for now, it's refreshingly sane and balanced. That said, this meme will remain evergreen for as long as Taylor & Ridge draw breath:

And Thomas and Liam too. I don't expect it to be endgame because of this show's history of treating its characters of color and the fanbase 's reaction any time a Black character is paired with someone's white fave (hi, 1998 Y&R fandom!) but I've had enough of Hinn and if they aren't gonna cheat and crack Steffy's face, then let's move on. I can't imagine them killing off one of Brooke's children at all and in principle I certainly wouldn't want Hope sacrificed for that shitgibbon. But if it sends Steffy to the nuthouse...? 🤔🤨

HER?! I would rather watch Steffy and Not!Taylor bash Hope for an entire episode than see that ridiculous woman return. Neither should it have been a cousin who has been divorced and was well over 30 himself, but that certainly didn't stop this ridiculous show :| I will never not be mad that he and Hope, who were closer in age than Rick and Bridget, were not aged up at the same time. I assume the reason he wasn't was Bell lack of creativity as to how he'd fit in The Feud™ as both a Logan and a Forrester who was brother to both Steffy AND Hope, but that was all the more reason he should've been there.

Some people have speculated that if B&B is in fact on the bubble of cancellation, they might be holding out a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-remarriage for the series finale. I don't think the Bell family releasing the full show on YouTube was solely out of benevolence or gratitude to the fanbase and posting the show online probably nets them a nice paycheck. Personally, there are few things I care less about on this show than another Bridge wedding and I'm sure Los Angeles County's records office have approviated not having to annul their weddings every six months. Speaking of things I am less invested in than Bridge, if they're never going to let Brill have peace, I wish they'd stop teasing that crap too. I'm pretty certain this is the only reason Batie is reuniting too and just...no.

I personally feel that Katie has long gotten the karmic payback due for that with interest between Bill sniffing behind Steffy and cheating with Brooke, but she absolutely has lost any right to consider herself a "good girl" with that action. Funny how she just HAD to tell Thorne the truth about why Donna was about to marry him but she and Nick fully intended to keep their traps shut about doing the ol' Devil's Tango until they could confirm that her pregnancy was viable or not.

That was w TK!Ridge. I was referring to a couple of scenes from early in HT's run witnRonn Moss that were, as the kids say, "sus".....including one where they're having a discussion with Katie in a nightie. I'll have to hunt that clip down again. Seriously. And what's the point of either one of them if neither give Steffy any genuine conflict? Finn may as well be Liam from Temu, who is basically Ridge from Wish.com anyway. I'm rooting for Brooke to pick the bear, personally.

Does he know Katie well enough at all to be saying any of that? The only other time I recall them sharing a scene was 2017, when he got arrested for trying to bust a cap in Quinn's ass. You're right that she's basically the Steffy of the Logan clan, except I can point to a specific 12 month period in '08 where Steffy was a mostly decent human being. Katie was barely on Show 6 weeks before she was panting over Nick and there were instances where I got the sense they were trying to to chem test Katie with Ridge too.

For full episodes from 2013 and later, you'd have to use the Paramount Plus app in the US (I can't speak to other countries as to where they may be found) The Bell family themselves have their YouTube channel for older episodes, where the most recent ones are from 2021 IIRC: https://m.youtube.com/@boldandbeautiful/featured

It would be if I thought Taylor might actually stay dead this time. I can't sit through a third resurrection story ☠️

Ridge and Taylor from '98 to 2002, and Eric in Donna from '07 to 2011. If you include this 2nd marriage, Eric and Donna have been married longer than any other couple. Edit: technically, I suppose Eric and Stephanie count, having been married for 25 years at the start of the show but on screen I think they only managed three years at any given time.

As grossed out as I was initially at the onset of that prospect, if this is a way for them to keep Lisa Yamada on the show a bit longer as the fallout is addressed, I'll take it. Let Steffy have one more of Sheila's relatives to deal with. Hell, ship Lucy Romalotti over from Y&R and let her get in the mix because the way that brat is going there, she could use a verbal smackdown and I'd welcome the unstoppable force/unmovable object trainwreck to see who'd win between her and Steffy (my vote goes to "the 2 gallons of Kirkland Signature vodka from Costco that I'd need to down to sit through it") But I'm so very tired of the way this show treats it's characters of color as disposable props. Yes, the white characters outside of Steffy aren't treated well either but we do get motivations and agency for them in a way that just doesn't exist for any other PoC except Maya Avant, and I'm fairly certain her actress must have connections to some criminal organization for whatever blackmail she has on Bell to get the storylines she did. You would think so, but I feel like they've had this exact story for the entirely of their relationship. They've already in the top three longest uninterrupted marriages in all of B&B canon as it is, if you can believe that crap, and every time we get this, it ends with them making out on the cliff house couch. B&B's story telling may be considered consistent and logical for some planet out there. Unfortunately for Brad Bell, this is Earth. O_o You know, as much as I am sick of kids butting into their parents' business, I have to give Will the credit for not selling his parents' relationship as some fairy tale romance as B&B kids are wont to do. I wanted to smack myself in the head every time RJ #1 was on screen waxing poetic about Bridge. And of course there's the Taytots. Nothing else needs to be said there. Even for Will's brattiness and Katie's...well, Katie-ness, he's not wrong. Bill has never appreciated at any point in their two marriages. Much like Steffy, he too wanted a lapdog to enable him and while I know he'll soften up on ol' Dad eventually, it's nice that at least one child is not gassing up their parents' crap behavior. It does beg the question as to how TIIC will write for Kelly when she's SORASed, assuming Finn is still in the picture. Her parents have been divorced her entire life and we've seen in canon that she considers Finn to be her father as much as Liam. Will she do an about face out of the blue to shove her mommy and daddy back together without any consideration for Hayes (since I think we can all agree that there won't be any for what Beth thinks since Steffy and Taylor will have poisoned Kelly against her by then)? Given how much we know of certain social media CEOs, I'd say that's the only thing thats grounded in anything resembling reality on this show 🤣 I'm only partially kidding because unlike IRL, FC takes no hits because of her whacked behavior. Meanwhile in my line of work, I get multiple people who bought Teslas prior to 2022 who can't get outta them fast enough.

Expecting nuance from B&B is like expecting MINI to produce a 3 seater passenger van. Frankly, I'd put odds on that happening first before this show ever doing anything with shades of gray. Because you're right--Bill is no saint and Katie is entirely justified to want him to be dedicated to her in a way that he never truly has been...but my God, her attitude is repellent at times and speaking as someone with insecurity issues, I just cannot buy into that when the character is played by gorgeous ass Heather Tom, even when my rational brain knows it doesn't work like that But it certainly doesn't help that the show sips into the same old "My blonde sisters have it easier than meeeeeee" well that we've had for the last seventeen(!!!) years. Hell, Katie's entire relationship with Ridge was pretty much JUST about getting one over on Brooke. Much like Steffy, she does much of the same shit as Brooke and gets narrative ass pats for it.