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They do have to match all scenes previously shot. The news reported: "The production will continue to utilize union crew members and will bar any use of working weapons and any form of ammunition. Live ammunition is -- and always was -- prohibited on set," Melina Spadone, an attorney for Rust Movie Productions, said in a statement. I'm not sure if "working weapons" just means they can't fire but are still real guns. I'd still check everything 10 or 12 times before letting someone point anything that even looks like a weapon at me.

If he's going to finish the shoot, the next scene was supposed to be a shootout with his character and Baldwin's. Even though I'm sure they're going to be super, SUPER paranoid and careful, I'd still want him to check all the other guns, not just his own, especially ones that are going to be pointed at him.

A looong time ago, but I just came across this description of a Twilight Zone episode from 1961: 75. Long Distance Call - IMDb score: 7.7 - Air date: March 31, 1961 - Season 2, episode 22 When a boy's grandmother dies right after giving him a toy phone as a present, he is able to communicate with her in the afterlife. She decides she doesn't want to be dead alone, and tries to get the boy to join her. He attempts to kill himself. This is Billy Mumy's first of three appearances during the show's original run. I actually love the way SPN recycles/repurposes and updates old stories to fit the SPN universe. I just wish (sometimes) they'd acknowledge the originals (even as "homage").

There are enough rabid fans on here, and we love to point out that Dean saying he'd never seen the Grand Canyon was back in season 2 (2.09, Croatoan) and Sam's story about going down the canyon on a farty donkey was in season 8! 😀 (BTW, that one was written by Ben Edlund, who *was* a fan, and admitted that he made a mistake.) SuperWiki is the best show bible and available to all, if the writers only look at it. But yes, a good showrunner should keep track, unless they're bound and determined to rewrite the whole story. *sigh*

If it were immediately after the accident, with all the raw emotions and personal feelings on display, I would have been appalled. But this appears to have been done about 6 months ago just to clarify some things. It was a very thoughtful and insightful look at the BTS of low-budget films and Jensen's main interest was clearly that he wanted to know *how* the live round ended up on the set, not blaming or second-guessing. I would suggest you watch at least a little bit.

Ah, I wish I could start watching all over, unspoiled....

Wouldn't it have to be "Reincarnate"? 😆

Yeah, I meant that. 😀 Maybe move to SPN: All Seasons? If anyone is interested in continuing this discussion. Or maybe we can discuss the "Dean Winchester: A Man of All AUs" show. 😉

According to SPN Wiki (under Angel Lore): "Naomi would reveal to Castiel that the existence of angels is what powers Heaven, and due to the significant loss of angels through the Fall and various civil wars and battles only nine angels, led by Naomi remained in existence to watch over the souls in the Heaven, and that once they were gone, Heaven would fall releasing billions of souls on to the earth." That seems to indicate that before this, no one knew how heaven was powered. (That's not to say this doesn't change previous canon that I just don't remember.) I do remember Naomi saying something to the effect that the angels' purpose was to protect the souls in their care, and that somewhere along the line they forgot that (shades of John Winchester?) IA that Rowena is still ruler in hell, and Purgatory has no one in charge. But someone (something?) decides who gets sent where (the guy with the abacus was only about hell, IIRC). That's why I'd like *someone* to take charge of decisions, to let the "deserving" (like Evan, who sold his soul to save his wife, or the vegetarian werewolves/vampires, or even Ellie (whatever she was that sent her to Purgatory) had a chance to escape/be elevated. And get rid of the canon change that said anyone who'd been in hell could never get to heaven (even Kevin!) Huh. I don't know about other planes of existence for AUs (though it sounds logical); but wouldn't you like to see all the Dean Winchesters of all the AUs get together? Imagine what they could do to heaven....on second thought, maybe not. 😀

Since Dean was able to see other worlds in the multiverse, then I guess they were all restored. And no, nothing was said about Chuck destroying Heaven/Hell/Purgatory (Chuck evaporated all "life" and not the world itself, so his original creations still existed.) For me, the important questions are: were all the AUs restored to their last form (ie, Apocalypse World was still horrible) or recreated better; and either way, were the Apocalypse world people brought to the SPN world and evaporated here brought back to our world or their own? 😕 I assume heaven originally included all AUs, because otherwise, there wouldn't have been the scene of the long corridor with all the different versions of Bobby ("The Bobbys are surly!") In the original heaven, only soulmates could share their heaven, so the new, improved version let everyone visit whoever they wanted. But (IIRC) the angels "ran" heaven, (and yes, they were supposed to be caretakers of the souls in their charge). Remember the outrage that they were using or bartering human souls to power their uprising? In that scenario, Crowley ran hell however he wanted, and "Mother" was in charge (nominally, at least) of the creatures in Purgatory. Mother is no longer around, so I'd guess Jack can rearrange it however he wants, but do you think he's taken over Rowena's rule or is just letting her run things her way, like Chuck did with all three rulers?

A bit of metaphysical rambling here: IIRC, Heaven/Hell/Purgatory were the places where the spirits (souls) went after death. They apparently kept a sense of "self" identical to who they were on earth, which is why they can eat, drink, go to rock concerts, and kill or be tortured. But the central part of who they were is maintained, no matter what happens there, which is why souls can continually be made whole after torture, or stay the same age they choose. (Remember Alistair complaining about torture on earth, that it's "too concrete" because those killed don't regenerate.) I think part of Jack's changes to heaven was to open the doors between the various parts of heaven (so they're not individual cells like Bobby's room or the autistic man's endless Tuesday) which allows souls to go visit/stay with others and, apparently, at least observe other universes. That doesn't mean that Dean was back to a living human, just that he could visit other AUs. He's unkillable because he has no physical body any more. Even in the old SPN 'verse, ghosts could appear and move/carry objects (whether through anger, like Bobby or the angry spirits or by concentrating, like the ghost boy who taught Sam and Dean how to move objects). So there shouldn't be any problem with Dean appearing/disappearing and carrying objects. I don't know if he could actually *affect* other living beings (that may be the reason why Baby was the weapon to destroy the Queen, rather than Dean himself.) And I think Dean never actually touched any of the AU characters without an intermediary of a non-living object (like the journal). So he could interact, give objects/information to help, but couldn't/*shouldn't* directly interfere either physically or by giving too much information. (I assume that's why he didn't tell John and Mary his real name.) Anyway, my possibly silly explanation. I do wonder, however, if Jack managed to save "deserving" souls from either Hell or Purgatory (it would be nice to think that Benny made it to heaven and Garth and his family have a chance). After all, most of the "created" monsters had no choice in what they became, only in what they did with it. But that's another whole story.

If all this multiverse hopping takes place while Dean is waiting for Sam to die, then I guess in theory Dean (who apparently can manifest in AUs, and not just observe) could pop in and visit Sam at any time, just to say hello, reassure him that he's fine and they'll be together again eventually, and maybe help with any hunts Sam (or Dean II) are working. At the very least, maybe it'd let Sam relax and enjoy blurry wife instead of sitting in the car and mourning Dean for 50+ years. Dean would certainly have his choice of partners to work with while Sam is otherwise occupied. OTOH, I remember how furious Samfans (and Jared) were at even the thought of having any form of SPN or Dean without Sam, so I wouldn't bet on it.

This series was about John and Mary and the Scooby gang and their "epic love story." The fact that it turned out to be an AU gives it more options for future shows (if it gets picked up somewhere), since it doesn't have to stick with the original SPN storyline of dead Mary and traumatized kids. Not that I'm saying a kinder, gentler SPN would be more interesting to watch. Dean's part in The Winchesters was originally just as a link to the Mothership; it ended as a possible lead in to yet another, different show. It could be a continuation of Dean multiverse hopping or a reboot of the OG show; but it seems he's done with this particular show unless he pops back in now and then to see how his AU family is getting on. But any reboot of the OG series would have to include Sam, just to keep the characters in, well, in character (much as I'd love to see Dean finally get a life of his own, in the SPN world they're not really Sam and Dean without the Sam'n'Dean dynamic). Besides, could you imagine the hate aimed at any reboot that *didn't* include both of them?

Of course, if the show were to continue, based on this universe's family dynamics, I'd think John and Mary's firstborn would be named Henry, not Dean. Doesn't have quite the same ring, does it? ☺️ Or maybe there would be a Henrietta.

I have to admit I wasn't paying much (or any) attention to the actual story (I haven't really been keeping up with the plot). I was mostly watching to see how the explanation would fit with SPN history, and was pretty happy about that. And I'm a sucker for happy endings (and "peace when you're done,") so I'm glad everyone was left with free will and possibilities and no pat endings.

Not at all. It kept everything from the finale of the Mothership without any changes--Dean is still dead, Sam is still living his life out on earth, Chuck is gone and Jack is the new god. Nothing at all is changed, except it opens possibilities for that space in between--the 50 years or so that Dean was in heaven before Sam got there; and it opens possibilities for them together afterwards. And the options for a reset or do-over still hold, especially if Jack gets pissed off at Dean for interfering and decides to send both Winchesters back to earth later.

That also parallels Dean, who was so angry at John for trading his life to save Dean, and then went and did the same to Sam. Both of them called the act selfish, but Dean, while agreeing, said that he didn't care as long as Sam was alive. Perspectives change when faced with reality. OTOH, maybe that's a clue that this is the Apocalypse world, where Mary *didn't* save John and the boys were never born.

Not if it's an AU. 😀

My backyard, when a family of foxes was living across the street. I love foxes, too.

Of course, the only way they could prove her involvement would be with Buck as witness, which, oops. Walter could testify about the hiker, but not without incriminating himself. So.....

She at least is guilty of accessory to all kinds of crimes, even if she didn't actually take part in any of them. Remember, not only did she sit and watch the hiker die rather than get him help, but she also told Walter to get rid of the body. When she thought Walter had killed Paige, she told everyone that she had gone home and hid all her belongings. And, of course, she was standing there when Buck killed Mary, and told him to get rid of that body, too. She was the one behind the curtain cleaning up everything that everyone else did, so whether or not she knew about the BHK, she was smack in the middle of everything, directing, not just obstructing. I don't know how much the sheriff's department knows about all this (they never mentioned any of the other victims again, as if they never existed!) but hopefully, once they decide to put the blame for all the open cases in the last 20 years on Buck, they'll find out her part. Also, she had to be aware of the earlier murders (Buck doesn't seem very good at keeping secrets from her). They were already married at the time (how old is Cormack?) so she's been covering up for him a long, long time.

I saw that, and most things I read seemed surprised about the charge as actor. I think SAG and actor groups will make a fuss, if it's setting a precedent putting that kind of responsibility on the actors.

Interview with Jensen Ackles about the season finale, Beau's role as a whole, and some possibilities for season 4. He also talks a little about Beau's backstory! https://ew.com/tv/jensen-ackles-on-big-sky-season-3-finale/

There's a good interview with Jensen at EW discussing the season finale and what he thinks might happen (no spoilers for season 4 but some possibilities): https://ew.com/tv/jensen-ackles-on-big-sky-season-3-finale/ I always find it fascinating how the actors/showrunners perceive things differently than the viewers. ETA: I put this in the Big Media thread too, since I wasn't sure where it belonged (it was so relevant to what's being discussed here). Sorry if it's considered a double post.

A quote I saw said he wasn't (or shouldn't be) charged as an actor, but as the producer (who was supposed to be overseeing the safety on the set.) So in theory, if they replace him as producer (Hutchins' husband has already been added as executive producer) then it could, in theory, continue. I think all the money was already in place before the accident, so unless the distributors or backers pull out, it could go on. And, horrible as it may seem, I'd guess all the publicity would jumpstart interest in seeing what was basically a low-budget western, putting it as Halyna's final show, especially with all the talk of how wonderful her work was. It would be a good tribute to her, and probably the show and cast would be overshadowed.